Vaccines and POIS

[Going less Crazy]

I remember that I received a tuberculosis vaccine, the one that bubbles up on the skin, and then my pois developed shortly after that.  I wonder if the vaccine caused an auto-immune reaction within my body that I now call POIS.

[Chris]

Who knows ...

[Journey]

You mean the tuberculosis skin test because I too had those in the teenager years however I do not remember exactly when my POIS appeared as I probably did not really notice those symptoms given that I never abstained so I was probably in that POIS symptoms state most of the time and if my symptoms appeared slowly it would mean that I wouldn't have noticed massive changes in my wellbeing and would have slowly gotten used to that and therefore it was only in 2019 by doing abstinence that I realized every time I abstain I start feeling better in all areas and whenever I edged, felt aroused for longer time, orgasmed or had a nocturnal emission I would get symptoms but in terms of intensity it is like this Orgasm>Nocturnal Emission>Edging>Arousal

[Starsky]

Anyone thinks a Covid vaccine is a bad idea for Poisers?

[Iwillbeatthis]

Anyone thinks a Covid vaccine is a bad idea for Poisers?

Yes I think its a bad idea people have been having allergic reactions to one of the vaccines which means people who have Mast cell issues shouldn't take it. Also I had covid and one other POISer on here - both of us had mild covid, the flu was much much worse for me. If you have lung issues and are susceptible to Pneumonia then maybe you should consider taking it.

Some Vaccines take 25-50 years of trials and research before they get introduced and even with some of those they have been withdrawn a few months after coming onto market. mRNA is a new type of vaccine which hasn't been properly researched, and before this had only been used on cancer patients (who are already dying). I watched an interview with a world renowned vaccine developer and he said he wouldn't take any of the four vaccines until more data is released once millions have taken it.

[Going less Crazy]

Um so wtf am I not allowed to express my opinion on the covid vaccine now on here? If that's the case, you'll see me out.

[Journey]

Um so wtf am I not allowed to express my opinion on the covid vaccine now on here? If that's the case, you'll see me out.

This forum seems to be becoming more authoritarian slowly

[IronFeather]

Um so wtf am I not allowed to express my opinion on the covid vaccine now on here? If that's the case, you'll see me out.

This forum seems to be becoming more authoritarian slowly

Yeah, absolutely. Mods can freely express their pro-vaccine opinions whenever and wherever they want, and call everything else misinformation, conspiracy theories and off-topic information, while everyone who disagrees gets their messages deleted and receives warnings. Freedom these days... it works like this everywhere. I'm getting tired of this forum too for this very reason, they're going to destroy it with their information dictatorship.

[Quantum]

Um so wtf am I not allowed to express my opinion on the covid vaccine now on here? If that's the case, you'll see me out.

This forum seems to be becoming more authoritarian slowly

Yeah, absolutely. Mods can freely express their pro-vaccine opinions whenever and wherever they want, and call everything else misinformation, conspiracy theories and off-topic information, while everyone who disagrees gets their messages deleted and receives warnings. Freedom these days... it works like this everywhere. I'm getting tired of this forum too for this very reason, they're going to destroy it with their information dictatorship.

For all those members who do not visit poiscenter very often, you may have missed my notice last June, at https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3345.msg41235#msg41235 , so I paste it back here:

Important notice to all members :

The POISCenter forum is NOT an appropriate place for expressing your opinion about the legitimacy or not of the COVID vaccines, or expressing your political views.  There are zillions of other forums and websites to express your opinion on this, but POISCenter is not one of these.  Any member who will persist in this direction may subsequently see all of his posts having to be approved by the moderators' team before reaching the forum.  This would take effect without any further warning

We value the importance of keeping POISCenter a safe place for all members.  If needed, feel free to review the POIScenter rules and guidelines at https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1.msg10259#msg10259

Thanks for your understanding.

The only reason there is a thread on poiscenter about vaccine is to discuss the effect of vaccine on POIS, not to discuss the legitimity, or not, of vaccines.   

I am quite astonished to read that some members having anti-vax opinions want to infer that the moderators are dictators, that we abuse our authority, and even, from some deleted comments, that the mod team of POISCenter is part of a worldwide conspiracy.   This makes no sense!  Many of you seem to have no idea how much work is involved to keep a forum running smoothly and staying a safe place for anyone, whatever opinion they have on whatever subject.  We want that anyone feels safe to come here and share his questions and ask for help.

If you are not ok with keeping this place a safe place, and you are not ok with other members not sharing your opinions about vaccines, there are millions of place discussing about this.  This topic of vaccines is a Pandora box, and only brings arguments and insults, just like we are receiving now in this thread.

The moderators' team is not here to push an agenda about vaccines. You confuse the need to keep the forum running smoothly and free of off-topic and polarizing discussions, with alleged abuse of authority.  If a moderator, in your opinion, seems to express his pro-vaccine opinion, it is not as a moderator, but as a member, and this is to be avoided in the future, even if in reaction to an anti-vax message.  Anyway, I will discuss that with other mods and make it clear that our goal is to keep messages on POIS topics, and avoid any vaccines comments ourselves ( In clear, moderators will avoid any posts about being for or against vaccines from now on, and will keep their personal opinion for themselves).   Also, If needed, we will close all threads about vaccines, if we are not mature enough as a community to discuss peacefully vaccines' effects on POIS.

The mods team does not have to issue a statement and have an official position about the vaccine.  But we do have the mandate to keep this place peaceful and orderly and keep the messages in line with this forum topic, which is POIS.
A debate about vaccines is not included in the topics that have their place on this forum.  This kind of debate on COVID vaccines is NOT any innocent, off-topic debate.  As you can see from the comments above, it triggers many unwanted reactions. So, a more strict approach is necessary.  I am sorry for those who do not have the necessary experience and knowledge as forum moderators or administrators to see that such debates, obviously, can create unwanted chaos.  And, this is not what you want as a moderator - I am not a full-time, paid employee, here.  I will not work full time, and not even 2 hours a day, on POISCenter trying to calm things down and monitoring messages. I already spend some time here every day and have other things to attend to in life.  And that is why this is the last time I write about this.

So, get over it, and take a deep breath, and think about keeping this space available for all those who recently found they have POIS and need information and support.

[demografx]

In line with Quantum’s excellent stated spirit of avoiding all forum “battles” over off-topic items - - especially vaccine opinions - - I have completely removed my previous
post - - including my POIS-related thought.

[Quantum]

In line with Quantum’s excellent stated spirit of avoiding all forum “battles” over off-topic items - - especially vaccine opinions - - I have completely removed my previous
post - - including my POIS-related thought.

Thanks, Demo ! 

[IronFeather]

Thanks Quantum for your reply. It wasn't my intention to offend anyone, but honestly, I felt I had to mention the fact that many pro-vaccine mods have expressed their opinions on covid and the vaccines quite freely here, while other people with different opinions have had their posts deleted. I understand that this forum is not the place for a discussion on the topic of the current pandemic or on the covid vaccines, but of course, the vaccines often come up in conversation, and I'm sure many people were just trying to participate in the discussion since they saw pro-vaccine people sharing their opinions without any consequences. I'm just saying there might have been quite a bias happening here, and I can see how this has irked some people, especially given the climate of information censorship that tends to surround the expression of different opinions about the pandemic and vaccines.

I'm not trying to accuse any of you of anything, we're all friends here trying to work together as best as we can against this disease that is ruining our lives, and I appreciate all your efforts in this regard and understand that mods do and have done along the years a great work here in general. But I've seen quite a few messages of people congratulating each other on getting the vaccine, posting links to official sources of information on covid because everything else was misinformation, and so on... it might have lead many people to the idea that covid discussions were not forbidden here, especially since some people involved were mods.

I personally don't believe any of you is a part of any type of conspiracy, there are enough of those in the world already, we were all probably just trying to express our opinions when the topic comes up, and personally I feel it could be quite relevant to POIS, given that vaccines involve the immune system and we're not sure if our condition is autoimmune or at least related to a hyperactivity of the immune system somehow.

I appreciate the work you do as mods, and all the effort you put on every day to keep things civil and the forum working properly, and I hope we can all keep working together towards our common goal of defeating POIS. I hope you'll have a wonderful day, Quantum and Demo! (And everyone else too!)

[berlin1984]

Thanks Quantum and IronFeather.

For disclosure: I've edited some of my old posts in the COVID19 vaccine and POIS thread to be not pro/contra-vaccine but just posting results if it influenced my POIS.

To make it clearer: This poll here is for vaccinations and POIS in general, also pre-COVID (created 2013).
The thread linked is for COVID vaccine especially.

[Hopeoneday]

A wery dificult to balance on this mater, related to pois and
general population, ewry day new info..
like myocarditis in young mans
for exemple.
Small minority of afected people from vacination side effects is yust statistical numbers, unfortunatly,
but thats how things stands on this matter.
As we think that imunity is involwed in our condition like Ironfeather say,
we must find some balance here.

[Going less Crazy]

Lmao yeah I'm pretty sure we can talk about vaccine legitimacy or illegitimacy on here pretty peacefully. After all, this is just an internet forum, we're not at Gettysburg. And who cares if people end up having virtual pixel arguments? I understand say if this was a football forum, yeah you might want to keep it football, but this is a health forum and that discussion falls in line with this. The freedom to express ones opinion should be valued over potential virtual word battles. I mean you could literally argue over anything here.

[Quantum]

Thanks Quantum for your reply. It wasn't my intention to offend anyone, but honestly, I felt I had to mention the fact that many pro-vaccine mods have expressed their opinions on covid and the vaccines quite freely here, while other people with different opinions have had their posts deleted. I understand that this forum is not the place for a discussion on the topic of the current pandemic or on the covid vaccines, but of course, the vaccines often come up in conversation, and I'm sure many people were just trying to participate in the discussion since they saw pro-vaccine people sharing their opinions without any consequences. I'm just saying there might have been quite a bias happening here, and I can see how this has irked some people, especially given the climate of information censorship that tends to surround the expression of different opinions about the pandemic and vaccines.

I'm not trying to accuse any of you of anything, we're all friends here trying to work together as best as we can against this disease that is ruining our lives, and I appreciate all your efforts in this regard and understand that mods do and have done along the years a great work here in general. But I've seen quite a few messages of people congratulating each other on getting the vaccine, posting links to official sources of information on covid because everything else was misinformation, and so on... it might have lead many people to the idea that covid discussions were not forbidden here, especially since some people involved were mods.

I personally don't believe any of you is a part of any type of conspiracy, there are enough of those in the world already, we were all probably just trying to express our opinions when the topic comes up, and personally I feel it could be quite relevant to POIS, given that vaccines involve the immune system and we're not sure if our condition is autoimmune or at least related to a hyperactivity of the immune system somehow.

I appreciate the work you do as mods, and all the effort you put on every day to keep things civil and the forum working properly, and I hope we can all keep working together towards our common goal of defeating POIS. I hope you'll have a wonderful day, Quantum and Demo! (And everyone else too!)

Thanks for your positive comments, Iron Feather

I agree that, POIS possibly having an auto-immune aspect, discussing the effects of vaccines of POIS can be of interest.
However, in doing so, we will always have to stay vigilant for the discussion not to slip toward arguments about vaccines being legit or not.  That is what we try to do so that things do not get out of control.  When discussions become to intense and turn into hot debates, so much time is needed from the moderators to calm things down and bring back some order and bring back focus and what is the real goal of this forum:  POIS and, in particular POIS research.  The POIS community is small and has limited resources, so we want to invest them where it helps the most.
Thanks for your understanding.

Have a great day too, Iron Feather !

[Quantum]

A wery dificult to balance on this mater, related to pois and
general population, ewry day new info..
like myocarditis in young mans
for exemple.
Small minority of afected people from vacination side effects is yust statistical numbers, unfortunatly,
but thats how things stands on this matter.
As we think that imunity is involwed in our condition like Ironfeather say,
we must find some balance here.

Thanks for your comment, HOD. You are right, we have to find some balance.  One important way to keep some balance is, in the mods' team opinion, to stay away from discussing vaccines' legitimacy, and avoid comments on being for or against vaccines.  We can all keep our opinion on this to ourselves, as this debate has no direct value for helping POIS sufferers in a specific manner - it is a larger, social and political debate.  So, refraining to express our opinion on vaccines being legit or not now applies to all members and to all mods as well, and we hope this will help focus the debate on vaccines and their effects on POIS, which is the part that would be useful for the POIS community. 

[Quantum]

Lmao yeah I'm pretty sure we can talk about vaccine legitimacy or illegitimacy on here pretty peacefully. After all, this is just an internet forum, we're not at Gettysburg. And who cares if people end up having virtual pixel arguments? I understand say if this was a football forum, yeah you might want to keep it football, but this is a health forum and that discussion falls in line with this. The freedom to express ones opinion should be valued over potential virtual word battles. I mean you could literally argue over anything here.

Hi GLC,
The moderators' team is not the "thought police".  The reason we cannot let anyone argue about anything on the forum is that we do not have an infinite amount of time to invest here, and such debates would call for A LOT of moderation time. 

Moderating is volunteer work, so we make decisions and have rules in order to keep this forum safe and peaceful for everyone, while not needing a number of hours that we do not have to put in this.   The POIS community is small and has limited resources, it is better to invest them where it is the most useful.

If you were to invest your time in managing a forum, you would see that it takes many hours a week and that you have to make choices in order to keep it reasonable. Find a large forum and be a moderator there for a year or so, and then we'll talk about it again. A forum is much more than what is seen by a member logging in 20 minutes every month or so.

Have a great, POIS-free, day, GLC !

[demografx]

Quantum, thank you for that concise explanation of the natural limitations of keeping a forum running smoothly with limited resources!

[demografx]

…I hope you'll have a wonderful day, Quantum and Demo!…

Belated thank you, IronFeather!