Author Topic: A "very easy" way to test the semen allergy theory (Read 24162 times)

biocentric · « **on:** May 20, 2011, 04:35:48 PM »

Buy a uretha catheter off ebay, freeze semen, then when out-of-POIS, put it down (the correct pipe (not urine one!)) and wait for POIS.. or not..

discuss...

Habibou · « **Reply #1 on:** May 20, 2011, 06:27:42 PM »

We talked about it in a section already...
I suggested it and then wanted to try. I got a O, then froze the semen. 2 weeks after i tried to introduce it in the urethra but it was so narrow that it was impossible :s
If you find a better way to introduce it, let me know

Daveman · « **Reply #2 on:** May 20, 2011, 06:56:39 PM »

I think we've only got one pipe, at least up until the prostate, where the rest of the stuff gets mixed in.

The suspicious tissue where the inflection can start and the allery chain may be activated is the mucosal epithelium, which is a lymphatic tissue which lines the urinary tract.
These tissues, line much of the male reproductive and urinary tract. Starting from parts of the testicles through the epididymus, vas, prostate and urethra.

Whether injecting in the urethra is a proof positive test, I would doubt, but it's worth trying. As a matter of fact, there are a few looking into it.

For my money, the epididymus could be a very suspicious possiblilty, as it is a very delicate tissue of very thin condiuts meters in length... I don't remember how many. However we can't inject semen there other than having an orgasm....

Daveman · « **Reply #3 on:** May 20, 2011, 07:08:29 PM »

Quote from: Habibou on May 20, 2011, 06:27:42 PM

We talked about it in a section already...
I suggested it and then wanted to try. I got a O, then froze the semen. 2 weeks after i tried to introduce it in the urethra but it was so narrow that it was impossible :s
If you find a better way to introduce it, let me know

Was it a urinary catheter? It should fit without problems. I don't know if they use a sterile lubricant? Anybody know? There has to be something on internet.

Habibou · « **Reply #4 on:** May 21, 2011, 06:55:47 AM »

I will check where i could get an "urinary catheter" i didn't use that, so it would be great with this catheter !

biocentric · « **Reply #5 on:** May 22, 2011, 04:29:58 AM »

yeah a urinary catheter with vasoline should work, (you may have to water down the semen alittle abit?)
i think there are two pipes in the penis but i maybe wrong.
id do it myelf but im living with my parents currently, cant really freeze my semen without them knowing!

Habibou · « **Reply #6 on:** May 24, 2011, 04:59:54 PM »

I live with my mother and i explained her why i froze it, i am lucky she is open minded !
The matter for me for the test is "even with no POIS, i am drained/brain fog all the time" so i couldn't really compare the Non POIS state and the POIS if it occurs with the test"...

Daveman · « **Reply #7 on:** May 24, 2011, 05:12:12 PM »

Quote from: horizon on May 22, 2011, 04:29:58 AM

yeah a urinary catheter with vasoline should work, (you may have to water down the semen alittle abit?)
i think there are two pipes in the penis but i maybe wrong.
id do it myelf but im living with my parents currently, cant really freeze my semen without them knowing!

Nope just one pipe. There's a good picture in the "theoretical discussion of POIS" that emi_b started. in alternative treatments I think.

Yeah, I can't freeze mine either for the same reason. My wife knows, but there are other people in the house!

I wondered about the lubrication, be it (artificial) vaginal lubricant or vaseline, if it would coat the urethra and effect the reaction?

b_jim · « **Reply #8 on:** July 21, 2011, 08:05:44 AM »

That's a very nice idea !
The last point is not easy to do anyway.

Willem · « **Reply #9 on:** July 21, 2011, 12:12:41 PM »

Most of you guys already know this, but if you have problems freezing, I would just take a fresh dab of the stuff and put it under your tongue. At least you can test that way for a topical response. I got immediate numbing of the mouth and throat.

b_jim · « **Reply #10 on:** August 16, 2011, 02:43:54 PM »

I'm thinking about this test. Maybe it's a very good idea but I have found a negative point. Not sure, just an hypothesis.

In fact, ejaculation is not only the way out for sperm. There is some pressure.
You can't simulate the pressure of normal ejaculation with this test.

I mean maybe the pressure play a role in pois. We know the sperm is going into lymphoid tissues. But the pressure may play a role to penetrate into these tissues.

If you only deposite the semen in urethra, there is no pressure and maybe the sperm can't go into the lymphoid tissues and then activing immune system.

That was just an idea, maybe I'm wrong...

b_jim · « **Reply #11 on:** August 16, 2011, 02:45:12 PM »

b_jim · « **Reply #12 on:** November 30, 2011, 03:20:49 AM »

Not for me sorry

I don't want to introduce something in my urethra

About this, we told about washing and eliminate semen just after ejaculation. We hope to reduce the contact between skin/vessels and semen. To wash the urethra is not something easy. One "strange strategy" I have tried is simply to drink before and try to urinate soon after ejaculation to eliminate semen.

Nightingale · « **Reply #13 on:** December 08, 2011, 12:13:41 AM »

Quote from: Willem on July 21, 2011, 12:12:41 PM

Most of you guys already know this, but if you have problems freezing, I would just take a fresh dab of the stuff and put it under your tongue. At least you can test that way for a topical response. I got immediate numbing of the mouth and throat.

Tried this (yuck) and had no reaction/numbing.

b_jim · « **Reply #14 on:** December 15, 2011, 09:36:51 AM »

I'm still testing to wash after orgasm and try to eliminate as semen as possible.
Before orgasm I drink a glass of water and I urinate some minutes after. Even if it sounds strange, I think the idea is good...

But I think it's too late. I think it's a bit usless because the penetration of semen in lymphoid tissues is caused by the pressure of ejaculation and not only the contact.

b_jim · « **Reply #15 on:** January 15, 2012, 03:35:11 PM »

Zero symptoms for my last episode.
For the sufferers which haven't any success with niacin or others, they should try.

rock27 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 15, 2012, 03:52:22 PM »

B_Jim, I read your strategy but I don't get it. You say the pressure plays a role. And then you eliminate the pressure by washing the inside and peeing right after? Don't get the pressure thing and don't get the strategy.

mellivora · « **Reply #17 on:** January 15, 2012, 05:43:03 PM »

Hi Rock,
I think what b_jim means (correct me if I'm wrong b_jim) is that, at the point of ejaculation, semen travels through the plumbing under high pressure and thus this pressure might force the semen through any weaknesses/gaps in our plumbing into tissues where it wouldn't normally go, thus causing an immune reaction. So upon ejaculation (the high pressure event) the damage is already done. Urinating afterward will only clear semen still remaining in the urethra, not any that might have already been forced out into other tissues if there are weaknesses in the plumbing. Likewise, washing would only get rid of external semen in contact with the skin. (drinking water before O is just a strategy for being able to urinate soon after O thus flushing out any semen that remains in the urethra).

Of course, all this is assuming that our problems are caused by semen coming into contact internally with tissue it wouldn't normally be in contact with and causing an immune reaction. Its only a theory.

b_jim · « **Reply #18 on:** January 16, 2012, 01:50:50 AM »

Yes, this is correct.
In fact I have told about two things linked or not, it's not clear.

I think the pression of ejaculation might play a role. The semen must penetrate into lymphoid tissues to trigger immune reaction. Is it possible to reduce this ? Hmm,

I don't know but sometimes ejaculations are stronger and sometimes weaker. This is why I said to put semen in urethra is maybe not a good test.

But since I said that, we get a new argument :

It seems fresh semen triggers the auto-immune/allergic reaction BUT this is not the case for frozen semen, according to Habibou (or Vandermolen?) 's test. So this point may explain why the test is not effective and maybe the effect of pressure of ejaculation don't play a role.

But some guys seems very sensible to semen contact on skin. I already try to put fresh semen on my arm skin without success. But maybe the contact inside urethra mucosa is enough to trigger Pois. My 10 last orgasms, I've washed my penis and urinate just after orgasm. I have to say there is clearly residual semen in this urine.
Sorry for inelegant post. $:-\$

victor.kons · « **Reply #19 on:** January 16, 2012, 03:30:43 AM »

I think the pressure theory could well explain my case of POIS. Because I don't have POIS when I have NE, or when the semen is going out slowly and partially. But POIS symptoms are developed only when I have normal orgasm and semen is pushed out actively.

Victor

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