Ecdysterone is very good! See the other post:
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3876.msg41408#msg41408Fenugreek powder: So at first I took one teaspoon (about 4 g) of fenugreek mixed in some water, then had an O five hours later with a weak-average POIS onset. One hour later I took another teaspoon of fenugreek, however in the following hours my POIS symptoms still became a bit worse (bloodshot eyes). Four and a half hours later I took another teaspoon of fenugreek then another four and a half hour later a last teaspoon of fenugreek before going to sleep.
So all in all I took 4 teaspoon of fenugreek which may equal to about 16 gramms. During the day I couldn't find a change in depression, although it was weak. The bloodshot eyes were quite average and the breast lymph nodes were present without noticeable change. Fenugreek also caused more than average flatulence. In the morning the urine had a reduced burning sensation. The stool was looser and the burning sensation was reduced. In the morning I also took another teaspoon of fenugreek, but I also needed to take a MACA capsule as the eyes were quite bloodshot. During work I felt quite weak and the muscle fatigue was noticeably present.
So to sum it up fenugreek didn't prove to be of much help, but at least it doesn't make things worse either.
Anise tea [about 1 liter]: As it is another estrogen receptor modulator I thought it could be interesting to test. It doesn't seem like it does anything particular to my POIS symptoms, however it can give me a headache when I drink too much. Could this be something similar as what I had experienced with Kudzu?
Galega/goat's-rue/French lilac tea (Galega officinalis) [about 1 liter]: It raised my interest as it is another traditional antidiabetic tea and it contains some compounds that formed the basis for the development for metformin. I expected it to potentially modulate POIS, however this proved to be in vain. It seems to have some beneficial effect on POIS, however this effect is quite subdued. Now I have to wonder what metformin would actually do.
CLA / conjugated linoleic acid [2000 mg per gelcapsule (80% FFA)]: I took 2-3 capsules for two days. It has some effect on POIS, but its quality seems to be mixed and weak, so it doesn't really do anything to symptoms or only weakly enhances POIS. Nevertheless it is not a supplement I plan to incorporate in my regime.
Evening primrose oil [500 mg per gelcapsule of which 45 mg is gamma-linolenic acid]: It has mixed effects just like CLA. I took three-four capsules in a day for two days. Although primrose oil can reduce the burning pain, it doesn't make a real difference when I begin to masturbate. It also induces bloodshot eyes almost every time I take it, which is a no good for me. The nodules in the breast didn't seem to change, although it is indicated as a possible treatment for breast pain.
Ayurveda tea: The most indicated ingredients are Withania somnifera and Centella asiatica, but it also contains cymbopogon citratus, glycyrrhiza glabra, pterocarpus marsupium, zingeber officinale, ocimum sanctum, cinnamomum tamala, cinnamomum zeylanicum. I had some negative experience with it. I only drank it three times, but as I remember it gave me a headache every time. I even developed a serious chest inflammation after one occasion, although it was possibly not due to the tea. Due to this I was a bit skeptical about Ashwagandha and Gotu Kola.
Garlic pills [10 mg per gelcapsule]: I took garlic capsules from the morning with 3-4 hours of difference. It definitely reduces the burning feeling moderately. After taking the third I had an O two and a half hour later, after which I took another garlic capsule and three hours later a last one before going to sleep. When I got up in the middle of the night to take a leak I also took a garlic capsule. This way garlic couldn't definitely prevent POIS as I still had bloodshot eyes, however besides the reduced burning sensation I had reduced rhinitis. In the morning I felt that I had more energy. So garlic is definitely helpful, however on its own it is not an adequate treatment.
Ashwagandha (Withania somnifera) [240 mg per capsule of which 12 mg is Withanolid]: I took one capsule in the morning and one another five hours later. I took a third one six hours later and had an O two and a half hours after that. To my wonder this partially managed to prevent POIS onset as I didn't really develop bloodshot eyes and the burning sensation was also reduced. In the morning I had a somewhat reduced fatigue and depression, however I had bloodshot eyes and the burning pain was moderate. After testing it some more I realize that at first I overestimated Ashwagandha's benefit as it didn't prove to be that effective on acute days. At best it may be as good as berberine, however I need to take at least four capsules for this and there could be adverse side-effects if I used such an amount regularly.
Gotu Kola (Centella asiatica aerial parts) [435 mg per capsule]: Another suspicious one that proved to the contrary. I took one in the morning then another in the afternoon and a third one in the evening after which I had an O one hour later. I didn't develop bloodshot eyes right after O, but I had some cramping intestinal pain. In the morning I generally felt somewhat better, than I would usually expect, however I still had a moderate burning pain and thus POIS symptoms as well.
Actually I can't even tell which was the more beneficial, but garlic pills, Ashwagandha and Gotu Kola at least have some benefit and deserve further testing. I also had a weak heartburn with either Ashwagandha or Gotu Kola, but I forgot to note it and I can't clearly remember.
Further information on some supplements:
Major constituents of anise essential oil are anethole, gamma-himachalene, cis-isoeugenol and linalool. It seems that among the compounds of anise oil, anethole has the most important role in treatment of migraine attacks. Because anethole has a similar structure to dopamine, so it is possible that anethole acts as an antagonist of dopamine in binding to the dopamine receptor. Due to the role of dopamine in inducing migraine attacks, it is proposed that the use of a dopamine antagonist could also block the chain of migraine attack cascade.
Since the plasma levels of GABA during migraine attack is not detectable, but after this phase, its level increases, one of the hypotheses proposed to stop the migraine attacks is activation of GABA pathway. Considering previous studies that reported that anise oil may cause activation of GABA receptors, GABA pathway activation may be another mechanism of action of anise oil.
Other compounds of Anise oil, such as eugenol and estragole, also have anesthetic, muscle relaxant and anti-epileptic properties which could help relieve migraine headaches.
Moreover, analgesic effect of Anise essential oil was reported similar to morphine and aspirin. Also, the findings demonstrated that the anise oil has anti-inflammatory effect as strong as indomethacin and has analgesic effect comparable to that of 100 mg/kg aspirin and 10 mg/kg morphine.https://sci-hub.se/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0378874118324656Saturated fatty acid esters may cause mastalgia (breast pain) via hypersensitivity of breast epithelium to circulating hormones. Evening primrose oil (EPO) may restore the saturated/unsaturated fatty acid balance and decrease sensitivity to steroidal hormones or prolactin. Conflicting results exist regarding EPO treatment for mastalgia.
The therapeutic efficacy of EPO on mastalgia was significantly higher than with paracetamol. Factors significantly affecting the efficacy of EPO treatment were hormone replacement therapy (HRT), IUD-with-levonorgestrel, iron deficiency, overt hypothyroidism, and Hashimoto thyroiditis. Replacement of iron or thyroid hormone efficiently treated mastalgia in patients that did not respond to EPO treatment. Side effects (allergy, anxiety, blurred vision, constipation, and nausea) were rare and not statistically significant.https://link.springer.com/article/10.1245/s10434-020-08949-xBackground and Aim: Polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) is one of the most important reproductive and endocrine disorders in women. Evening primrose oil is a phytosterogenic plants, and there are many reports about the effects of phytoestrogens on the hypothalamus-pituitary axis.
30 female Sprague Dawley rats with regular sexual cycle were divided into five groups. Group 1: control. Group 2: (control treatment) received evening primrose oil gavage at dose of 1000mg/kg for 21 days. Group 3: PCOS induced by estradiol valerate. Group 4: After induction of PCOS received evening primrose oil gavage at dose of 1000mg/kg for 21 days. Group 5: After induction of PCOS received evening primrose oil gavage at dose of 2000mg/kg for 21 days.
Results: The FSH level increased significantly in the fourth and fifth groups compared to the third. Levels of LH and testosterone levels were significantly lower in the fourth and fifth groups than the third group. There was no significant difference in the level of FSH and LH among the other groups.
Conclusions: By changing the concentration of FSH, LH and testosterone hormones in polycystic ovary syndrome, evening primrose oil, can reduce the complications of these hormonal changes. EPO also reduces insulin and serum glucose and increases insulin sensitivity in PCOS. With more complete studies, Evening primrose oil can be recommended as a good alternative to chemical drugs for the treatment of PCOS.http://armaghanj.yums.ac.ir/browse.php?a_id=1827&sid=1&slc_lang=en&ftxt=0Ashwagandha (Withania somnifera), also known as Indian ginseng and Winter cherry, belongs to the solanaceae family. In Sanskrit, Ashwagandha means odor of the horse, originating from the "odor of its roots" which resembles to that of a sweaty horse. The name "somnifera" in Latin means "sleep-inducer" which refers to its extensive use as a remedy against stress from a variety of daily chores.
The major biologically active constituents from various parts of Ashwagandha are steroidal alkaloids and lactones, a class of chemicals known as withanolides.
In experimental model of swimming endurance test, a forced swimming behavioral paradigm to model exhaustive physical exercise in rats, it has been shown to increase their stamina, and prevented adrenal gland changes of ascorbic acid and cortisol content produced by swimming stress. In experimental models of neurodegenerative disorders like Alzheimer's (AD) and Parkinson's disease (PD) in which functional impairment is primarily caused due to disruption of neural network and premature death of neurons, Ashwagandha-derived crude extracts and isolated active components
displayed good therapeutic potential that included formation of dendrites and induction of sleep and relaxation similar to GABA (amino acid and neurotransmitter). Ashwagandha root extracts exhibited neuroregenerative property in AB-induced in vitro and mouse model of AD. Interestingly, it also stimulated neurite growth and enhanced memory function in normal mice.
Molecular investigations by some other workers revealed that the active components of Ashwagandha target amyloid precursor protein (APP) cleaving enzymes for reversal of AD pathology. Sominone, on the other hand, has been shown to activate RET, part of the receptor complex for glial cell line-derived
neurotrophic factor (GDNF), to stimulate axonal growth. Recovery potential of the extract was attributed to increase in the expression of PPARG, reduced by AB1-42.
Ashwagandha root extracts have also proven beneficial to protect neuronal injury in vitro as well as animal models of PD. Pre-treatment with Ashwagandha extracts was found to prevent alterations in anti-oxidant enzyme activities, catecholamine content, dopaminergic D2 receptor binding and tyrosine hydroxylase expression in 6-hydroxydopamine-induced rodent models of PD.
Investigation of molecular markers revealed that the extract significantly reduced the expression of iNOS, an established measure of oxidative stress.
Supplementation of Withanolide A during hypoxic exposure increased GSH level, augmented GSH dependent free radicals scavenging system and decreased the number of caspase and apoptotic cells in hippocampus.
Moreover, Withanolide A increased glutathione biosynthesis in neuronal cells by upregulating GCLC level through Nrf2 pathway in a corticosterone-dependent manner.
The pre-treatment of water extract of Ashwagandha leaves (WEX) extract markedly inhibited glutamate-induced cell death and HSP70 expression.
Water extract of Ashwagandha leaves showed protection against lead-induced neurotoxicity. Furthermore, the i-Extract and WEX of Ashwagandha leaves caused protection against oxidative stress and glutamate toxicity.https://sci-hub.se/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0197018615300437The four main triterpenoids occurring in Centella asiatica were shown to attenuate colitis in mice by oral administration. Oral administration of madecassic acid decreased the percentage of Th17 cells and downregulated the expression of RORGt, IL-17A, IL-17F, IL-21 and IL-22 and increased the percentage of Treg cells and the expression of Foxp3 and IL-10 in the colons of mice with colitis, but it did not affect Th1 and Th2 cells. Furthermore, madecassic acid was identified as a PPARG agonist, as it promoted PPARG transactivation. The correlation between activation of PPARG and AMPK, downregulation of ACC1 expression, restoration of Th17/Treg balance and attenuation of colitis by madecassic acid was validated in mice with DSS-induced colitis. In conclusion, madecassic acid was the active form of madecassoside in ameliorating colitis by restoring the Th17/Treg balance via regulating the PPARG/AMPK/ACC1 pathway.
Accumulative evidence suggests that nuclear receptors, especially peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor gamma (PPARG), has a vital role in regulating Th17/Treg balance. The PPARG agonists inhibit Th17 cell differentiation in lung myeloid dendritic cells and promote Treg cell differentiation in the white adipose tissue of mice. Meanwhile, various pentacyclic triterpenes were reported to activate PPARG. These findings suggested that the triterpenes in C. asiatica might restore the Th17/Treg balance through the PPARG pathway.
PPARG, a ligand-dependent nuclear receptor that has vital roles in adipogenesis, glucose metabolism and immune modulation, is highly expressed in the colon. Intensive preclinical studies have highlighted that the activation of PPARG conferred protection against colitis in mice. Madecassic acid was shown to activate AMPK in a PPARG-dependent manner and induce the AMPK/ACC1-mediated shift of Th17 toward Treg cells by activating PPARG. In contrast, inhibition or depletion of AMPK did not inhibit madecassic acid-induced translocation of PPARG into the nucleus. The findings suggested that AMPK might be a downstream effector of PPARG.
There are many reports which indicate that high-affinity synthetic ligands of PPARG, such as thiazolidinediones, have immunoprotective roles in experimental colitis. Similar to rosiglitazone, madecassic acid promoted the expression of PPARG-responsive genes CD36 and LPL, induced PPARG translocation from cytoplasm to nucleus and the binding of PPARG to a reporter gene, which could be diminished by PPARG antagonists or PPARG siRNA.https://www.nature.com/articles/cddis2017150