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If an allergy to sperm is involved,  one wonders if a vasectomy would have any effect. It would be intersting to see if people with vasectomies are under or over represented in POIS population.  Please vote.

Never had vasectomy
Had it after onset of  POIS.  Still Have POIS
Had after onset of POIS.  No more POIS.
Had it before onset of  POIS.

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Mr Raba

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How many here had a vasectomy.
« on: March 15, 2012, 10:16:01 PM »
If an allergy to sperm is involved,  one wonders if a vasectomy would have any effect. It would be intersting to see if people with vasectomies are under or over represented in POIS population.  Please vote
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Re: How many here had a vasectomy.
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2012, 11:35:06 AM »
Daveman had a vasectomy before his POIS began. I remember there was another member here who had a vasectomy hoping it would relieve his POIS, but it didn't help at all.
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Re: How many here had a vasectomy.
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2012, 06:05:35 AM »
I had a vasectomy several years ago hoping it would help with POIS, but there was absolutely no difference after the procedure. POIS is definitely not related to releasing sperm during ejaculation.   

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Re: How many here had a vasectomy.
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2012, 11:34:03 AM »
I think it is very important what EDS wrote!

Daveman

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Re: How many here had a vasectomy.
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2012, 01:01:13 PM »
Animus found the same thing basically.

Who knows really. Until we do the research we are in a middle zone.

The vasectomy doesn't stop sperm from being produced or even being activated during the orgasm.

It can't go far, but "could" even be worse, producing pressures on the very fine (microscopic ) plumbing.

I'm  not syaing that he's right or wrong. Just that sometimes the obvious isn't as obvious as we think.


I'm not looking for an argument, I'm less in favor of the allergy theory than I used to be. Seeing it as a somewhat more indirect phenomenon.



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Re: How many here had a vasectomy.
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2012, 03:59:30 PM »
Semen allergy, is important to consider since that is where 95% of the seminal fluid comes from and does contain propagandins. Sperm allergies do seem much less likely playing an autoimmune or allergenic role in POIS based on the contents and functional purpose of the two different fluids. Am I correct in saying that vasectomies keep sperm from making its way to the urethra as opposed to the vast majority of fluid? Because under the assumption that sperm probably does not play nearly as strong a role in POIS symptoms (it may play some role internally which cannot yet be ruled out), semen or other internal immune factors seem like more likely culprits.
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Re: How many here had a vasectomy.
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2012, 08:53:19 AM »
If it has anything to do with plumbing operations/anomolies, I feel as though it was much more related to the vasecotmy reversal I had about 5 yrs before POIS started.
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Re: How many here had a vasectomy.
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2015, 11:08:06 PM »
After 23 years of this malady and having tried many different things.  I am more leaning towards a neurotransmitter problem and/or a inflammation issue.  I am also leaning towards a methylation problem. 

I keep on telling people on the forum that the POIS symptoms are identical to a crash episode of a Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. 
Which can also taper in at least 48 hours, but can last longer.  The parallels are uncanny.  The difference is that although some people have both POIS and CFS, most people with CFS do not have POIS.

However I  believe the underlying mechanisms are the same.

CFS is now know to be a severe inflammatory disorder with inflammation of the brain.  Inflammation markers are chronically elevated.
The brain inflammation can not be  detected by current regular patient tests, but has been clearly identified in research papers using advanced technologies not commonly used outside research.  The inflammatory markers in question are not tested in the usual testss doctors ran.  Mine were test at NOVA's center for neuroimmune medicine and they were categorically off and clearly show that there is sever chronic inflammation in many key markers;.

All the brain issues are  for POIS and CFS.  POIS being in my case more severe but shorter.  The flu like symptoms as well.  Fatigue etc.

I have both POIS and CFS.   I already posted what works for me.  Helps  eliminate some does not eliminate issue:
Keep in mind that am writing this on day zero of an O, also on day 2 of another 0, and on day 4 of 2 Os.   Without the support  below I would be in big trouble.

immunocal whey protein.  NOT regular whey protein.  NOT any other brand (immuplus worked but no longer produced).

Take half a pack to start with in empty stomach before breakfast.  Increase to a pack a week.  Second half pack at about 2:30 PM on empty stomach.
After a week on a full pack per day you can experiment on increasing to two packs per day.   It is important not to eat for at leas 15 minutes after taking it.  And it is very important no to start at full dose!   

Improvement is noticeable at about one pack a day.  It works within 20 minutes for me.  It makes me want to sleep for 15 minutes after taking it.  I obey.  Afterwards my neurotransmitters are far improved and I can deal with life a lot better.

I just had 3 Os in 4 days, (married 26 years), I take a full pack afterwards now in addition to regular pack.   Eat chicken  and red quinoa for protein with two eggs with sunny side up (liquid yokes).  It removes a lot of the misery. Specially the mental misery.




Simultaneous onset of CFS and POIS since Feb 1993. Married since 1989.

Helped by Immunocal (I explained how to take in previous posts).  Some relief on day one and day two.  It affects neurotransmitters.