More than 24 hours after last Orgasm - No noticeable POIS symptoms [No remedies]

[Observer]

This experience should need to be replicated more times in order to obtain useful and definite conclussions, but I think some of us could benefit from this new "method".

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Method:

Stimulate the glans directly, exert pressure directly on your glans - Focus on your glans the moment you reach an erection- This is the key - Rub it and then pressure it - You can do it "indirectly" (You're still applying direct pressure though, and that's the key, exerting a "strong" pressure on it), pushing with your fingers the glans area while it is covered by the foreskin, if you feel more comfortable  . Forget about the "usual" way of self-pleasure.

If you feel the strongest Orgasm you ever had in your life, you're probably on the right track.

PS: I know you will probably experience hiper-sensitivity. Try to ignore it and stop for a while if the discomfort is extreme. You're on the right track.

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I am not claiming everyone will have a full and complete alleviation of POIS symptoms after an O., but it could be interesting to give it a try. I will continue to update the thread during the next weeks/months.

As you know, I am one of the POIS sufferers who has had a huge success with niacin. I think it is highly important - I usually get even a complete 100% relief (no brain fog, no cognitive issues) after taking niacin. Obtaining a niacin flush has been one a neccesary requisite for me in order to obtain the blocking of POIS symptoms. There is a huge discussion and threads on this same forum where you can see the hypothesis behind this effectivity.

I always considered myself to be affected by a very specific type of POIS. I also recognize where/when (and I dare to say that even why) my POIS symptoms started. The first time I had POIS-like symptoms it wasn't after an Orgasm. It was two months before getting POIS almost every time after an Orgasm, and it was because of an episode that was signalling the end of a very high school year - the day of High School graduation - This was occuring after having a year where I was living in a continuous "emotional rollercoaster (in love, very happy - my brain was producing a lot dopamine, even insane amounts of it!!)". Rare, isn't it?

For this reason, I always thought that I had to replicate somehow the feelings I had during that year to get rid of my POIS symptoms (this was before I discovered that a syndrome called POIS even existed!)- It didn't work. After this time, only niacin has worked. Sometimes, after having an Orgasm while in POIS, my POIS symptoms improved (!)

I have been using Niacin for many years, but I need to ship it from abroad since it is not found in Spanish herb stores anymore. This causes it to lose its effectivity after some time (you need to store it in a dry place) if it is affected by extreme cold or extreme hot.

Yesterday I still had residual POIS symptoms (niacin didn't work 100%), and I decided to have another Orgasm without taking niacin before (!). In fact, I took no remedies (!). The reason is I wanted to experience a new "method" that I found in the Russian forum "poiscenter.net" but that it is completely written in Spanish (You can send me a PM if you want more info). I could describe this Orgasm as the most powerful, intense Orgasm I have ever had. I even experienced small tremors and I was able to feel it in my whole body. The sensations just after it were very different from what I usually experience. I normally get POIS instantly, a few seconds after the Orgasm my head is already foggy, I am already agitated/anxious with a impaired breathing - this time it didn't happen. I was like "high" after the whole experience. Another important thing to underline is that I got a "sex flush" (my face and my chest turned red) just after the Orgasm- never experienced that before.

I didn't pleasure myself like most men normally do. This time I focused all the time on "hitting" the glans, directly, putting pressure on it. The theory (!) behind this situation, according to the author, is that the glans is acting as a "blood pump" that is irrigating the whole penis/prostate and this is having a really positive effect.

I took notes of my physical/emotional/mind feelings, and I can say that I got anxious/Agitated after the dinner, but it didn't last too long. Today I had an excellent day, with a clear mind and no cognitive issues. I was also very calm during the day, with good mood, emotions, etc. When I am POIS, I get POIS "spikes" after eating sugar or carbs - didn't happen this time. However, I had an episode that lasted 20 minutes (I don't know why, it seemed to came out of nowhere) where I was feeling foggy and agitated. It went away after I stopped doing what I was doing - at that time, I also got a small nosebleed.

Usually 2nd day is my worst day, so tomorrow I will update again. What I can say is that the 1st day has been a complete success (95% of the time I have been feeling great). It is almost surrealistic, I know.

[demografx]

Thanks, Observer!

[Observer]

Thanks, Observer!

Thanks demo. 

I think we should definitely look more into it. Was it simply good luck? Did I change the intensity/composition of the neurochemistry cascade released after Orgasm - so this is having a completely different effect on POIS and POIS is not manifesting because of it - Was niacin creating this same reaction? Is it a vascular issue (Viagra, which also reportedly works in some people, and niacin create a vasodilator effect) ? Did the sex-flush played a role?

Today is the start of the 2nd day and I feel very well. Had a wonderful sleep, very calm and with a good mood. No brain fog, no fatigue, no bad mood. Will continue to update.


Summary so far:

O day- Good feelings after O, extremely intense and pleasurable Orgasm. Sexual flush. Feeling agitated/anxious after dinner (2 hours after it).
1st day- Good feelings, no cognitive issues most of the day. Unpleasant feeling, agitation and a significant brain fog that seemed to appear for no apparent reason - lasted 20/30 minutes.
2nd day- Extremely good sleep. No cognitive issues, good mood, very energetic. - NO POIS.

[Observer]

¿Bingo?

The idea that there was a connection between niacin and the sex flush, scientifically described by Masters and Johnson for the first time, was later demonstrated by clinical studies, which have shown the primary role played by niacin and its co-enzymatic derivatives in intensifying and maximizing female orgasm. The spreading and intensity of the sex flush vary from person to person, but can usually be considered as a direct indicator of the intensity of female “sexual tension” experienced during the plateau stage of sexual excitement. It manifests with a mild rash7 that starts in the area of the epigastrium and then spreads to the abdomen, breasts, and shoulders. In some cases, it can also involve the antecubital fossae of the arms, and anterior and lateral areas of the thighs, buttocks, and back. This erythematous reaction attenuates and disappears quickly after the orgasmic phase.8

Flushing9 caused by high doses of niacin simply indicate that this vitamin is extremely effective in activating and improving blood circulation all over the body. Niacin flushes mimic natural sexual response. As Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw,10 have documented, natural sex flush is biochemically very similar to what happens when you take 100 mg of niacin with only one major difference: the quantitative values released by the ingestion of niacin are obviously much higher than those released during sexual arousal. In fact, while the largest organs of the body are supplied by large arteries, the peripheral parts, just below the dermal layer, are supplied by a vast network of tiny capillaries.

Niacin has a significant vasodilating effect particularly on the capillaries of the dermal area, allowing 2 or 3 extra blood cells to pass through these small vessels at the same time. This enhances the result greatly compared to mean baseline.

As the ability to achieve orgasm (both male and female) is biochemically related to the release of prostaglandins caused by niacin itself in the cutaneous tissues, it is easy to understand why people who have difficulties reaching orgasm benefit greatly from an adequate use of niacin !!!!!!!!!

https://multichem.it/en/better-sex-through-chemistry

[Jimmy]

Thanks Observer for the info
 
But still dont know what exactly you did to alleviate pois symptoms.

Can you please provide details.

[Observer]

Thanks Observer for the info
 
But still dont know what exactly you did to alleviate pois symptoms.

Can you please provide details.

Stimulate the glans directly, exert pressure directly on your glans - Focus on your glans the moment you reach an erection- This is the key - Rub it and then pressure it - You can do it "indirectly" (You're still applying direct pressure though, and that's the key, exerting a "strong" pressure on it), pushing with your fingers the glans area while it is covered with the foreskin, if you feel more comfortable  . Forget about the "usual" way of self-pleasure.

If you feel the strongest Orgasm you ever had in your life, you're probably on the right track.

I need to do it more times to find if it works again, I consider it has worked like 95% because yesterday I had a brief "POIS attack" in the afternoon.

PS- This is about fenugreek:

It has been used through the ages to heighten sexual desire both in men and women and has been used for premature ejaculation and impotence. The herb lowers blood cholesterol levels, improves blood circulation and can, therefore, increase blood flow to the penis.

https://www.herbal-supplement-resource.com/fenugreek-seeds.html

Does anyone see a pattern here?

People who find relief with niacin, fenugreek, garlic, ginger should try this method. (And even others, It could work for other people as well).

[uhtred sonof]

Ok so I tried it. Not sure if I did it right but I squeezed the sides, top, rubbed it a little. I got "there" rather quickly and finished normally with the whole hand below the glans. Did I mess that part up?

It definitely felt quite good and I don't feel as low as I normally do post O. As of this writing I would say I actually feel better than I did pre-O. My POIS usually starts with depressed cognition/flat mood/severe brain fog within minutes. Later tonight I should have some bounding pulse, elevated heart rate, severe fatigue. Tomorrow and the day after should be the worst for me. I'll update.

I'll have to keep experimenting if it goes well, there's some confounding factors - I took a little bit of choline and .75mg lorazepam pre-O. But I will say this pressure method could explain why I usually don't have as severe POIS through real sex.

[Observer]

Ok so I tried it. Not sure if I did it right but I squeezed the sides, top, rubbed it a little. I got "there" rather quickly and finished normally with the whole hand below the glans. Did I mess that part up?

It definitely felt quite good and I don't feel as low as I normally do post O. As of this writing I would say I actually feel better than I did pre-O. My POIS usually starts with depressed cognition/flat mood/severe brain fog within minutes. Later tonight I should have some bounding pulse, elevated heart rate, severe fatigue. Tomorrow and the day after should be the worst for me. I'll update.

I'll have to keep experimenting if it goes well, there's some confounding factors - I took a little bit of choline and .75mg lorazepam pre-O. But I will say this pressure method could explain why I usually don't have as severe POIS through real sex.

Excellent, uhtred sonof. We will be waiting for your updates. I wish you the best experience.

I consider my first trial of this method to be a complete success! If more POISers get more positive results during the next trials, I think we should seriously look into it.

[Observer]

Update: I had another Orgasm. I wanted to replicate what I did originally (96 hours afterwards), but I completely failed 

Surprise: I experienced a soft, manageable POIS. It is like I could address this POIS episode and look at it "face-to-face"- I had minor agitation/anxiety and minor brain fog, but I was able to eliminate them after breathing slowly for some time. Just for the record: My POIS during all these years has been an OVERWHELMING feeling of brain fog, cognitive impairment, anxiety (that specific symptom came later), depression, fatigue that lasted for days and was impossible to address with just "breathing exercises".

I am very surprised with all these experiences. I don't plan to have another O. for a week at least, since it would be easier for me to replicate the first experience (more energy/sexual activation). After it, the next "experiment" will be to have intercourse and finish it with an Orgasm, to see if something has really changed.

I have two hypothesis:

1) For some POISers, POIS occurs because some people (like us) release a wrong/excessive/ cascade of neurochemicals after a "Bad Orgasm". For this reason, Niacin,  Viagra and Fenugreek work really well for some of us because they irrigate the penis/prostate and cause us to have a good Orgasm. Niacin works as an "Orgasm enhacer", is recommended for people who have difficulties when they want to reach the Orgasm, and its flush mimics a sex flush (which occurs when the sexual pleasure and excitement is really strong).

However, there are some issues that should be addressed before: Niacin intake helps against POIS if the ejaculation occurs some minutes after the peak of the flush. Last day I experienced a "sex-flush" with this mind-blowing Orgasm- The O. should have occurred at the very beginning of the flush (or even caused the flush, I don't really know). The flush lasted for more than 30 minutes in this case.
2. Although Fenugreek increases as well blood flow to the penis, I  don't recall it to be "an Orgasm enhacer" but quite the opposite. It made my O's weaker (that didn't happen with niacin though, they were as normal as I was used to).

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=5150.0
https://books.google.es/books?id=obaszZGXOCIC&pg=PA217&lpg=PA217&dq=niacin+orgasm+enhance&source=bl&ots=uLpBRGDCQv&sig=jNd4YOCWQvjOf4Eul9jOu9p3PXA&hl=es&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQtISLuNLYAhXKPhQKHVkzCA0Q6AEIcjAI#v=onepage&q=niacin%20orgasm%20enhance&f=false

2) POIS issues could be connected to the prostate in some cases. According to the author of this theory, this method could work because it also increases blood flow to the prostate. He says he also was benefited from training exercises like these ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdkAuH95i24

[Observer]

Hello everyone again... Today is my 2nd after this "failed" orgasm, so I don't feel really good. The POIS monster is back, although I was able to manage it in the morning at work (antiinflammatory breakfast and apple-cider vinegar worked). I feel with a foggy mind right now and really tired. I am planning to try again the original method in the next few days. I am really encouraged by the results of the "original orgasm".

Now that I have POIS, I am realizing how good it was. It is not only that I didn't feel POIS but the fact that I felt remarkably good. My gut feeling is that this "new way of Orgasming" could yield potential results.

uhtred sonof , how are you doing after your trial? It would be nice if more people join us during the coming days!

[uhtred sonof]

I want to clarify for myself and others: you're not saying the method failed the second time, but rather you failed to use the method? I'm feeling a bit confused by your wording.

I wanted to comment tomorrow since that's when I'm usually feeling 90-100% recovered, but I'll just go ahead now. I agree more people should try this method. I've been hesitant to experiment with many of the supplements/meds discussed but I like the low risk/high reward aspect of this.

So to recap a normal POIS attack for me goes like this:

Day 0 (O day): intense hangover-like brain fog, fatigue, unrefreshing sleep
Day 1: same symptoms + intense daytime sleepiness coupled with insomnia, bounding pulse, higher resting heart rate, tachycardia with movement, uncontrollable bouts of anxiety and sense of doom.
Day 2: usually same as day one
Day 3: 50% better, looks somewhat like day 0
Day 4: more or less recovered to baseline
Days 5+: chronic brain fog, anxiety and fatigue from POIS lift slowly.

With this "pump" method:

Day 0: felt so unusually ok/good that I got brave and had a second O. relief from pent up libido and decent sleep.
Day 1: 80-90% relief from usual symptoms, but could not sleep for long.
Day 2: almost same as day 1, but super drowsy mid-day and HAD to nap. 30 minutes of anxiety/doom in the evening, clearly POIS rearing its head but went away. slept ok.
Day 3: feeling 90-100% so far

So far I think it's baloney/placebo but I'm usually impervious to placebo effect and I have no desire to argue with the results. It may work for me since I believe I have prostatitis or some other kind of prostate issue (I have experienced intense pain/burning in the prostate/urethra after O that earned me an ultrasound on the testicles. Nothing unusual was found - no vasocongestion, epididymitis, etc.

I'm hoping I can abstain for another 7 days before trying it again. With another success I'll experiment with a 6 day break, then 5 and so on.

I like your language of "bad orgasms" caused by "low sexual activation". I know it's not very scientific but it still really resonates with how I've felt about the issue sometimes. The whole issue is very complicated.

[Observer]

Yes, you are right uhtred sonof, I failed to use the method 

[Observer]

I have been in touch with uhtred sonof.

He says that he has obtained amazing results during these last days. However, he mentioned that he has also been trying other treatments so he was not able to isolate the cause. One curious thing is that he has been trying all of these treatments (except the "Glans pumping method") during some time, so he says this could have been caused by a build-up of all these treatments... or alternatively, it is the glans pumping the one which is making the difference.

I expect him to post an analysis of all of them.

I think the glans pumping method could work because it irrigates the penis (like Levitra/Niacin/Fenugreek do) and distributes the blood, creating a vaso-dilator effect like the abovementioned treatments.

As I said, the Orgasm I had was unbelievably strong (to be honest, I don't remember any Orgasm like that one in my life) and I experienced a sex-flush similar to the niacin-flush.

[uhtred sonof]

I would say I am 90-95% better lately. I still have a little bit of fatigue and sleepiness post O but nothing like before. I started choline-inositol at the same time as using this method though so I'm not sure what's really been the cure for me. I've experimented with high frequency O's too.. twice a day, 2 days in a row, multiple times a week, etc.

What may have happened:

-Addressing mthfr gene abnormalities with B vitamins has worked after ~1 year of treatment (kurtosis/ gbolduev theory of methylation issues)
-Addressing vdr taq gene abnormality with vitamin D3 has worked after ~1 year of treatment
-Addressing Upper Airway Resistance Syndrome as seen in the case of another poiscenter user here: https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1088.0 is working for me after 8 months of airway treatment
-Supplementing with choline-inositol has worked immediately (vagal/acetylcholine theory and niacin treatment respectively)
-"Pumping the prostate" with fresh blood has worked immediately (Observer/spanish method -> user trusttheprocess' theory of chronic fungal prostatitis?: https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=130830)
-I had psychosomatic pois and i'm experiencing placebo effect (thanks Observer!)
-Some combination of the above

[Hopeoneday]

Hi Sonof, did you tested regular mastrubation  while you on choline isonitol?

[Observer]

A fellow POISer told me that he has got good results with this method. He said that he was feeling surprisingly good the 1st day, the 2nd day however he started to feel bad again. He was surprised because it did not seem to be like a normal POIS episode.

I am sure this way of self-stimulation releases a different chemistry and our body reacts differently to it.

[swell]

I have found POIS to be deeply rooted in how brain works and how brain can be "tricked" to work.  Brain controls how our bodies behave.  I believe 100% your experience.  There have been many many methods similar over my course of experiments to find a solution.   Most of them work successfully 1-2-3 time but then they stop working and brain returns to its learned behavior and my POIS come back to 7 day full intensity.  I think POIS need some drastic mental "shake" not a small therapy it needs strong "reset" for how our brains have become to work. 

I have grown pesismistic on POIS cure.  Vitamin cannot do anything to pois.  Vitamin is too light, low dose high dose, nothing.  Yes eat good eat healthy all that good but it will not cure POIS.  POIS need a prescription strength medicine and maybe even combine with behavior response therapy, that is why I am interested in LDN low dose maybe that can reset how our brain treats immune response.
   

A fellow POISer told me that he has got good results with this method. He said that he was feeling surprisingly good the 1st day, the 2nd day however he started to feel bad again. He was surprised because it did not seem to be like a normal POIS episode.

I am sure this way of self-stimulation releases a different chemistry and our body reacts differently to it.

[demografx]

...POIS need a prescription strength medicine...

I chose a “prescription strength medicine” and it works for me (not 100%) but there are risks/side effects. My sperm count went to Zero, for example and I don’t know if it’s possibly contributed to my heart probs (5-way bypass).

[swell]

You are right demografx, prescription med has sometime huge side affects.  My deep prayer for your best health.   POIS is huge debilitating affects my quality of life like nothing else.  I have tried certain methods and sometimes have born severe side affects and not even prescription med but mere technique.  I think just now by doing cryotherapy at health place (to -200F) I have damaged my nerves permanently.  My 2-3 year of good progress has halted but now gone to worse than where I was ever in life.  Even Niacin which generally harmless, but some docs are very against it, they warn that flush will damage liver but to me that flush a tiny bit helps, it rushes blood.  These pills I hear dont have a delivery method built in them, like measured dosing.  If you take vitamin pill high dose and poof it will goes and can even be harmful with more side affect because so study is done, unlike a prescription med which gets tested to act for certain period of time in a measure and gradual manner and so the risk what there is is there but at least one you know.  But yes I hear you and that makes me sad that no matter what you do, there is no solution for us.  It is sad, everyone enjoy sex as if universal acceptance for happiness standard, but for some of us, it has become a curse.  I cannot stay away from it no matter how I try, but when I do it, it is torture like.  I have started Serrapeptase, I am hoping it can help the neurology of my fingers and peripheral organs, will let know if anything good I feel.  Has anyone else tried Serra...?
 

...POIS need a prescription strength medicine...

I chose a “prescription strength medicine” and it works (not 100%) but there are risks/side effects. My sperm count went to Zero, for example and I don’t know if it’s possibly contributed to my heart probs (5-way bypass).

[Hopeoneday]

I would say I am 90-95% better lately. I still have a little bit of fatigue and sleepiness post O but nothing like before. I started choline-inositol at the same time as using this method though so I'm not sure what's really been the cure for me. I've experimented with high frequency O's too.. twice a day, 2 days in a row, multiple times a week, etc.

What may have happened:

-Addressing mthfr gene abnormalities with B vitamins has worked after ~1 year of treatment (kurtosis/ gbolduev theory of methylation issues)
-Addressing vdr taq gene abnormality with vitamin D3 has worked after ~1 year of treatment
-Addressing Upper Airway Resistance Syndrome as seen in the case of another poiscenter user here: https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1088.0 is working for me after 8 months of airway treatment
-Supplementing with choline-inositol has worked immediately (vagal/acetylcholine theory and niacin treatment respectively)
-"Pumping the prostate" with fresh blood has worked immediately (Observer/spanish method -> user trusttheprocess' theory of chronic fungal prostatitis?: https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=130830)
-I had psychosomatic pois and i'm experiencing placebo effect (thanks Observer!)
-Some combination of the above

Hi , did you tested regular mastrubation and sex without pumping metod while you on isonitol-choline suplement?