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Moses

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Cure pois with beets
« on: June 15, 2017, 10:10:27 AM »
I discovered this forum 6 months ago and I am so very thankful for all the information and support. I am 35 yrs old and had pois since I was 12. Niacin has really helped me but it's not a perfect solution for the following reasons.
1: I usually don't fast before orgasm so won't always get the flush
2: to guarantee the flush, I need 400 mg and don't think it's very healthy
3: getting the flush can be awkward, it's like telling my wife I want sex

So one night I had an o without niacin and woke the next morning without symptoms. I wondered what might have been different and the only thing I could think of was that night I had eaten beet salad my wife had brought home. (Not something I normally eat) so for the last few days I've been eating beets (I'm eating them raw, it's surprisingly delicious) and had multiple o's with no symptoms of Pois. This seems too simple though! I'd love for others to try and give feedback

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Re: Cure pois with beets
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2017, 07:57:48 PM »
That's really interesting, I will definitely try them (Well, JUST by chance I took 4 days ago a cold beet soup but honestly, this is not food I use to eat). Just one question, how long do you take them before the Orgasm?

Welcome to the forum!

PS: This supports Quantum's theory: https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2431.0

Beetroot is a rich source of phytochemical compounds (Figure 1), that includes ascorbic acid, carotenoids, phenolic acids and flavonoids [2,20,21]. Beetroot is also one of the few vegetables that contain a group of highly bioactive pigments known as betalains [22,23]. Members of the betalain family are categorised as either betacyanin pigments that are red-violet in colour or betaxanthin pigments that are yellow-orange in colour [1]. A number of investigations have reported betalains to have high antioxidant and anti-inflammatory capabilities in vitro and a variety of in vivo animal models [3,23,24,25,26]. This has sparked interest in a possible role for beetroot in clinical pathologies characterised by oxidative stress and chronic inflammation such as liver disease

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4425174/

I think this part is also interesting - Is this the reason that explains why it is effective against POIS? Maybe as the result of increasing the blood flow to the brain, symptoms simply don't flare up.


Improve Blood Flow
Beets are considered to be high nitrate food. Those nitrates turn into nitrites with the help of mouth bacteria and those increase the blood flow to the1 brain.


https://ifocushealth.com/11-reasons-drink-beetroot-juice/

Edit 2. I found more interesting information. It seems that nitrites greatly help with the opening of blood vessels- well, that's exactly what niacin does (opening small blood vessels and capillaries)!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/03/us/study-finds-that-nitrites-in-the-body-greatly-aid-blood-flow.html

More info: http://news.psu.edu/story/341148/2015/01/19/research/beet-or-not-beet-researchers-test-theories-beet-juice-benefits

Researchers found that it did "de-stiffen" blood vessels under resting conditions, potentially easing the workload of the heart.
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Re: Cure pois with beets
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2017, 11:18:27 PM »
I'm eating about 3 per day. One day I had the last beet at 8:00 pm and had o at 2:00 am, and still barely had any pois symptoms.

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Re: Cure pois with beets
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2017, 04:11:46 AM »
@ Moses

It would be great if you can keep us updated on how this is working for you. I know that some treatments work initially and then don't work as well a few weeks down the line. So will be great if you can keep us updated over the next few weeks/months  :)
33 years old, POIS for around 12 years with increasing severity.
Major symptoms - Severe fatigue, back pain, unrefreshed even after 9+ hours sleep, pain behind eyes, very dry face, bald head with inflamed scalp, digestion issues and constipation. Very low testosterone and high glucose in blood tests

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Re: Cure pois with beets
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2017, 07:54:43 AM »
Hi Moses, and everyone,

This is very interesting Moses.   Like Observer have already said, this is in line with my thoughts about the role of the liver and liver detoxificaiton in helping against POIS and different systemic auto-immune problems  ( like shared in this thread : https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2431.0 ).  Beets are beneficial for the liver.  In particular, they are very good for helping methylation - they contain a lot of betaine ( more exactly glycyl betaine, or trimethylglycine), which activate an alternate methylation pathway.  this is very useful if, because of some small mutations or else, your main methylation pathway is impaired.   

Of course, there are many other useful components in beets, so it may be by antoher mechanism that beets bring you relief.

At any rate, beets are very healthy.  I use some in my fruits and veggies smoothies, which after are becoming red then, even if they are so called green smoothies :)

Did you noticed if eating beets after POIS symptoms have begun is still effective, or they have to be eaten before release in order to bring you relief ?
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Re: Cure pois with beets
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2017, 09:54:15 AM »
Thanks for the info!
I've only been doing this 1 week, and so far it's seems to help relieve symptoms even after pois begun but not completely.

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Re: Cure pois with beets
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2017, 06:06:25 AM »
Hi Moses.  I'd like to know what your diet is like.  Beets are very healthy, antiinflammatory and the like.  I wonder do you eat the beets with anything? A side of bread?  When you woke up without symptoms, maybe you were just eating foods your body tolerates instead of it being solely beets?  If you eat a normal diet, grains, sugar etc. and beets have been added and you feel no pois symptoms, that would be very interesting.  I eat beets as well sometimes on my diet.
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My POIS managed with Diet (@ diet that 100% manages my pois)Believe my POIS stems from inflammation in the gut. O = neuro POIS from inflammation from the gut

supps: microdose zyrtec if needed for food sens. ibuprofen for infl. as needed. Melatonin as needed. Big Pinch Black cumin  seeds once daily

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Re: Cure pois with beets
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2017, 07:26:10 AM »
Betaine appears to beotherwise a product of choline, which wggs are rich in:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20446114
https://openi.nlm.nih.gov/detailedresult.php?img=PMC1934379_1471-2261-7-20-1&req=4

To me, this implies that those helped with eggs may also be helped with beets.

 My understanding is very limited, but from doing some quick research, it appears that there are some generic defects among other ways that can cause deficiency:
http://www.beyondmthfr.com/estrogen-methylation-and-choline-deficiency/

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Re: Cure pois with beets
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2017, 10:11:41 AM »
Hi Moses,

Glad to hear the good news.

I appreciate if you update us if beets still working for you l.


Thank you.

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Re: Cure pois with beets
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2017, 11:53:09 PM »
I don't know...it started out working great 4 Os in 3 days with barely any symptoms but the next 2 Os over the next few days I did have at least 50% of usual symptoms. In the meantime I'm taking a break. I will definitely try it again at a later time and I'll report the results.

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Re: Cure pois with beets
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2017, 06:56:46 AM »
I don't know...it started out working great 4 Os in 3 days with barely any symptoms but the next 2 Os over the next few days I did have at least 50% of usual symptoms. In the meantime I'm taking a break. I will definitely try it again at a later time and I'll report the results.


Wise decision, Moses !   I guess any symptoms prevention method can get "overwhelmed" if frequency of release becomes too high. 

My pre-pack is still working after over than 2 years now ( in addition to all the other thing I do like healthy diet, meditation, etc), but it stops being very efficient if my frequency of release is too high, and I get more and more symptoms.   So I keep it a one a week, and the absolute minimum is around 4 days between 2 releases ( this will vary of course for anybody, but one has to find his own limits ).  One could say it's limiting, but it is not that a high price to pay considering this avoid me to experiment POIS symptoms !

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Re: Cure pois with beets
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2017, 01:16:24 PM »
It makes me think to betaine too :)
I hope it will continue to work :)
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Re: Cure pois with beets
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2017, 05:27:01 PM »
Thanks! That's very encouraging to hear.

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Re: Cure pois with beets
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2017, 12:56:03 PM »
Makes me think of a POIS guy who had a similar response to raw cabbage juice. Unfortunately the effects only lasted a few week . Certain food seem to have that effect on the short-term
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Re: Cure pois with beets
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2018, 12:11:07 PM »
Re-posted from another thread, where the concern about nitrates content of beets have been discussed ( my suggestion: if you are concerned by eating too much beets, just include a wide variety of veggies, including some beets, in you diet.  That's what I do for myself, though ):

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Quote from: Meshal on Today at 11:32:13

    Quote from: Vandemolen on 2018-01-30, 18:25:57

        Be carefull with beet juice. It contains nitrate. Using a lot of nitrate can cause cancer. You can drink beet juice, but not on a daily basis. I will try it too. But not every day. Don’t drink beet juice on the days you eat nitrate rich food like fish, spinach, endive and Chinese cabbage.


    I'm eating raw beets, is there a difference?


TLDR version:  nitrates from your daily salami, pepperoni, ham and the like are far more dangerous that the overall healthy beets.  Antioxidant intake from fruits and veggies or from supplements like vitamin C have a protective effect.



Hi Vandemolen, Meshal and everyone,

Thanks, Vandemolen, for underlying the nitrates concern about beets.

There is also naturally occurring nitrates in whole beets, just like in the juice.  But those are less a problem than nitrates and nitrites injected in processed meat and delicatessen, as preservatives, and to give them a pink color.  So, all processed meat and delicatessen, like in the classical ham sandwiches, are more a problem, concerning cancer risks, so when you go to the grocery, buy nitrates-free meat, whenever available ( if it is not specified as nitrate-free, it sure contains nitrates, so read the labels carefully - you will often see "sodium nitrate" in the ingredients).  Organic meat, of course, is safe as well.

Nitates are not the cancer-causing molecule per se.  It is nitrosamine, a derivative of nitrates, that is causing cancer.   Nitrosamine are formed when nitrates are heated at high temperatrue in the presence of protein or other sources of amines, so when cooking processed meat with nitrates and nitrites, you have all the conditions to produce nitrosamines.... and then you eat this.  Industrial and processed food are full of these toxic products, so be aware of what you eat !   This could be on of the reason why colon cancers are so frequent in developped countries, and much less in poor, "developing" countries where they barely eat meat and have no grocery stores selling processed meat ( but do not wait for any official statement soon on this topic... just take note that more companies are now offering meats free of nitrites and nitrates, just like more groceries offer organic fruits and veggies with no pesticides and chemical on and in them )

As one can deduct, you have far less risks from beets, because :

1- beets do not contains much proteins, almost none compared to meat, and the presence of proteins is needed for nitrosamine production

2-Beets are very high in antioxydants, as often the case with highly pigmented fruits and veggies, so these are blocking the oxidation of nitrates to nitrosamine.  Some studies have even been done with beet roots extract in cancer treatment, and the risk of the nitrate content seems to be offset by the antioxidant content, as there is strong evidence that veggies having a high level of nitrates are, despite this, lowering cancer risks - see https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26914827

3- beets are not always cooked/heated, so if eaten raw, or made in juice with no heating, no nitrosamines are produced in the process, and risks fall accordingly ( also, not suprising to me, organic fermented beet juice show more anticancer activity than conventionnal, non-organic juice - ref:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24798659 )


Also, if you have a healthy diet, with lots of antioxydants, or simply take a vitamin C supplement, or other antioxydant supplementation ( Vit E, polyphenols, carotenoids, etc...), this will protect, at least in part, from nitrosamines, as they will be scavenged by antioxidants.

Vandemolen is right in saying that it is not a good idea to eat a lot of beets every day, but like any other things, they are very healthy when you eat them moderately.   Morever, I wouldn't recommend a POIS sufferer to consume too much beets, because the nitrate content helps the erection process.... and usually, we prefer abstinence over high level of sexual activity, for obvious reasons !

For all those interested to read more about this, I have found this article written in lay terms, that is very informative:  https://www.healthambition.com/processed-meat-nitrosamines-cancer/

I hope this will help those interested in including beets in their healthy diet to do so in an informed manner.
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Re: Cure pois with beets
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2018, 06:39:41 AM »
Ok, thanks for nitrites informations.

If not betaine, does nitrites may explain Pois improvement ?

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Beets contain a large amount of inorganic nitrates. These compounds are the precursor to a very important signalling molecule that our body needs to function- Nitric Oxide2. NO is made naturally within our bodies but we can dramatically increase its availability by eating nitrate rich food. Among other roles, NO acts as a vasodilator in functioning skeletal muscle, increasing the size of blood vessels to allow more oxygen flow3.
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Re: Cure pois with beets
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2018, 09:38:15 AM »
It's hard to say what exactly help POIS in beets.  Antioxidants?  Betaine/TMG for methylation? Nitric Oxyde (NO) raised from nitrates, increasing blood flow in tissues ? All of the above ???

But one thing is sure about beets, it is the nitrates that help the erection process, facilitating vasodilation ( well known drugs like Viagra work by boosting NO effect, through another pathway). 

This vasodilatation effect is also why some individuals can have low blood pressure after eating too much beets.
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Re: Cure pois with beets
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2018, 03:38:51 PM »
It's possile to eat betaine with other food like quinoa or spinach.
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Re: Cure pois with beets
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2018, 05:52:11 PM »
Yes-beets- Nitric Oxyde, antiinflamatory , detox...

TMG - Trimethylglycine or TMG (also known as betaine) assists in the metabolism of homocysteine back to the sulfur-containing amino acid methionine, which in turn can produce the important nutrient SAMe. Clearance of homocysteine and the product of SAMe is vital to protecting the nervous system and making neurotransmitters.

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Re: Cure pois with beets
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2018, 11:40:27 AM »
You can get the same vasodilatory effect with leafy greens - spinach, romaine, arugula etc., but they must be chewed in the mouth to obtain the full effect. Nitric oxide is produced by the interaction of the mouth bacteria with the plant material. In the same way, eating whole beets is most effective. Powders not so much. There is a product called neo40 that is concentrated beets in a lozenge form designed to be dissolved slowly in the mouth.

If you find that you benefit from nitric oxide you may be interested in nasal breathing. The nose and sinus cavities passivly emit a great deal of nitric oxide. Butekyo is one effective method for learning how to unblock the nose and effectively breathe.