Experiment: Avoid any cosmetics and fluoride products for a month

[Pois 2011]

Assumptions:
1.   Any ingredient in our cosmetics causes an allergic reaction in our bodys
2.   We are sensitive to Fluoride
3.   Allumium in Deos hinders our body to detox or we are poisoned with aluminum
I improved my overall being and had a massive reduction in POIS Symptoms in the last weeks. I didnt ejaculate for 100 days and I did a lot of things with my nutrition but it was when I was cutting all of my cosmetics that I improved a lot, at least I think this is the cause. I will write a longer post about all the things I did on another day. Until then I ask you to do this experiment.
Look at the ingredients of all the cosmetics we are using. Every facial cream, every deo has tons of chemicals in it. So avoid any of those: No Deos, no facial creams, no toothpaste with fluoride (no salt or water with fluoride, use fluoride free toothpaste) no anti hairloss fluids etc. Maybe a lil shampoo now and then, or anything you wash off immediately, but anything else get rid of it for some time.
I could post some links about why Alluminium in Deos or fluoride can be dangerous but you can google it and it could be nonsense as well. Just by avoiding those things will make you know if it causes any harm to your health.
I hope some of you are willing to do this experiment and tell me your experiences. I think I am on the right track with improving my Pois symptoms and I want to find out, what causes my improvement.

[Quantum]

Hi POIS 2011,

Thanks for your interesting post.

I had so much health problems in my life that I became, somehow, a "health freak", to help have a better quality of life. 

One of this ailment is big, painful and long lasting canker sores.   Any toothpaste with fluoride will make them hurt still more, if possible, and red like fire.   So, like 5 years ago, I have banished toothpaste with fluoride, and also with SLS, if possible ( but hard to find, sometime).  I have found great toothpaste with no fluoride, and keep my dental health in check.  My healthy diet, with no refined sugar, is very helpful in avoiding cavities.   I have far more canker sores than before, and they they not become huge red yelling monsters anymore.


This year, I have started to change the rest my of personal care products.  I have found a all natural line of product made in Montreal, that works and that smells good.  I have now their shampoo, conditionner, shower gel, ....  they also have dishwashing soap, landry soap, etc... and made the switch.  A little costier than regular, toxic stuff, but my health worth it.


I also have never used any aluminum-containing antiperspirants.  I have always been suspicious about aluminum..... it's for car and planes, not for humans!     


I have done so much change in my lifestyle that my POIS, through the years, rather than getting worse, like some testify, have getten better, with less and less symptoms, for less time.  I cannot say how much the avoidance of all those toxic has played a role on my getting better, but it surely an the positive side.  I am amazed at how much toxic BS society puts and the things we eat and use on our body and the products we use daily in our house..... But I can testify, it is easier, these years, to find alternate products... it was quite difficult, ten years ago, just to find a toothpaste without fluoride.... !

I am glad you have noticed a change for the better by eliminating all these toxic products.

You are right that we may be more sensitive to all these chemicals substances found everywhere, more than the average population.

[Going less Crazy]

I was sensitive to certain toothpastes I believe because it was from the aspartame if I'm correct.  Also Listerine made my gut feel like sheot but I found substitutes.  I now use original pepsodent and act restoring mouthwash without any problems so far that I have noticed.

[Pois 2011]

Thank you for your replies guys! Quantum, I read a lot of your posts and I think everyone on this forum appreciates your massive helpful input. You and going less crazy seem to be one of the very few that claim to have made significant progress in reducing POIS Symptoms and I am familiar with both of your stories…
My journey led me to trying a lot of things in the last months. My POIS level was pretty constant. 3 days after o-ing I was at a pretty normal state again. This changed slowly in summer last year. Due to stress my condition worsened from September on. POIS became worse and I needed longer to recover. Due to that O-breaks became longer. I did a lot of supplement experiments, some made it worse, most did nothing… 
I experiemented with nutrition this year and I was very precise with it. I made an elimination diet and monitored it by writing a diet journal. I improved but still had massive swings in the quality of my mental and physical conditions. I was already in a phase like 90 days without O-ing.
I had managed to wake up in the morning and always feeling good but I seemed to get into a moody state around 12. I thought about why this would happen. There didn’t seem to be a mental cause. So I thought about my morning routine. At first I suspected the food. But since I monitored it, that didn’t make sense. So I looked closer and I thought about all the things in my morning routine.
I took a look at the ingredients in my toothpate, facial creams etc and just made the test. I bought fluoride free toothpaste, throw fluoride salt out of my kitchen, didn’t use any facial creams (now I use Olive oil and an aloe vera gel because I have very dry skin). Since then with every day I feel better and better to a point that I think I get my old self back! But not only that! After 100 days I had my first O and it was the first time in over 6 years that I felt better afterwards. I felt alert instead of getting brainfog after 15 minutes. Next morning I waited for  the usual symptoms to kick in but it didn’t happen.
It could be pure chance, it could be my long break but I had a 3 month break in 2012 and that didn’t change too much. I am still unsure about it, since it was only one O but what makes me hope is my overall state. I sleep better, my sinuses are free, my sense of smell improved a lot, my memory improved etc… So it is not only that I had no Pois symptoms, I felt better afterwards and my general state is improved. I do some other things – like nutrition wise – but I somehow think the root cause for at least my POIS problems could be in my cosmetics and I just stopped using them like 14 days ago… That’s what I want to find out. That is why I ask you guys to do this experiment. I don’t think we will find a supplement that will make POIS go away. I have a ridiculous amount of supplements in my cupboard! Maybe it is easier than we think and it is just what we let out of our lifestyle or nutrition than what we are using or consuming on a daily basis…

[notmythirdaccount]

Hmm. It's been a while since I've tried to use all-natural products, and I do use a fair amount of chemicals daily. I'm willing to give it a shot.

[Quantum]

Quantum, I read a lot of your posts and I think everyone on this forum appreciates your massive helpful input.

Thanks for your kind words, Pois 2011!

I do some other things – like nutrition wise – but I somehow think the root cause for at least my POIS problems could be in my cosmetics and I just stopped using them like 14 days ago… That’s what I want to find out. That is why I ask you guys to do this experiment. I don’t think we will find a supplement that will make POIS go away. I have a ridiculous amount of supplements in my cupboard! Maybe it is easier than we think and it is just what we let out of our lifestyle or nutrition than what we are using or consuming on a daily basis…

I agree that the solution is not only adding good stuff ( like supplements), but also eliminating bad stuff ( like chemicals in personal care products, and in food ).

[Going less Crazy]

Let me revise my last statement.  POIS 2011 it is interesting that you have posted this now because just lately I have had dental problems (my back teeth are literally sh*t) and my dentist recommended buying a mouthwash.  This was last week. 

I bought act restoring mouthwash and thought I had no problems with it but am now realizing I can't have it from the foggy and crappy mental state it brings.  Right exactly now I feel bad from taking it and am 100% sure it's the mouthwash, I don't feel like explaining but long story short I had to get rid of my previous mouthwash because of this recognized mental state.  I haven't been rinsing with water lately, and this is when I really noticed the negative reaction.

I believe it to be a chemical sensitivity of some kind.  Not sure which chemical.  However, I am sure it is not fluoride in my case because the toothpaste I use without problems has 5x the fluoride in it than the mouthwash... and this toothpaste I have been using for more than a year as compared to the week I recently introduced act restoring mouthwash.  Again, I use Pepsodent Original.  I wonder if your reaction can be from some other chemicals in the cosmetics you use, or maybe it is the fluoride as you believe in your case.  I wonder if you could use Pepsodent Original without problems.  Are you using mouthwash?

Not sure which chemical is the aggressor.  I've had problems with aspartame.  I'm going to be looking into this because I really need mouthwash I can use without ill effects.

You are right with this shitty problem, it is really important to look at everything you put into your body, even gum, I've realized.  Anything has the possibility to effect you.  Things that go into your mouth are absorbed into your bloodstream very fast.  So I think it's important for everybody to look at any little thing you put in/on your body.

However, I've not noticed any problems from soap or shampoo.  Though I don't use shampoo but about once a week.  Soap, every day.

[Pois 2011]

Hey Going less crazy! Thanks for the feedback. I dont exactly know what is causing my improvement and I have to see if it is a longtime improvement anyway. I also do a lot of other things that could be responsible for that but since I cut those cosmetics I get better and I am stable. My mood doesnt crash and some other symptoms disappeared. So maybe it is not the the fluoride, maybe it is. Maybe it is an overdose of Fluoride like using fluoride salt (like I did), drinking Fluoride water, usinge a fluoride toothpaste and a mouthwash. I am just guessing.

As far as I see it all Pois symptoms occur due to an imbalance of hormones and fluoride could mess with those: http://www.totalhealthmagazine.com/Dental-Health/YOUR-HORMONES-ON-FLUORIDE-What-you-need-to-know.html

but with a lot of things this could be just an urban legend or nonsense.

Regarding cosmetics in general: http://time.com/4394051/deodorant-antiperspirant-toxic/

In my case I had one assumption that a particular cream could cause a reaction. So I thought if I put it on very thickly then I would have to react in a bad way and I did strangely - but it was in a period were my state wasnt stable - so it could have been something else.

Another product I used regularly was an anti hairloss fluid called Alpecin. I stopped everything including Fluoride toothpaste on one day and since then I am doing good. I dont think Shampoo or soap is causing the trouble as well.

[caveeater]

I've avoided fluoride toothpaste and fluoridated water for years now. And it has helped me a lot. I also avoid most regular cosmetics shampoos etc.

My POIS is still there but avoiding these things has helped in a lot of ways.

[Pois 2011]

Thank you for your feedback caveeater. Do you use any facial creams or do you use deo under your armpits?

[Going less Crazy]

I really hope it isn't the fluoride.  If it was I'd think I would be affected by the Pepsodent Original.  Than again I rinse thoroughly after brushing... so idk, but I will continue to rinse thoroughly.  There are just way too many chemicals in these things that we can't just assume any one ingredient.  I believe it to be a personalized sensitivity of some kind, most ppl do fine with these cosmetic products.  So my belief wouldn't be say the negative affects of fluoride itself, but some chemical allergy/sensitivity that is causing these symptoms.

I'm thinking it may be some sucralose sensitivity??

[Pois 2011]

Going less crazy that would be an excellent test! If you think that brand caused any trouble and you are feeling quiet good one morning, use this brand. Maybe use it more than you need like 4 times on that day or something. If you doesnt show any reaction then there is probably no problem with fluoride or that brand... I did the same with a facial cream that had Hyaluron in it and put it on extra thick. I put that on and my physical symptoms gotten worse that day. It could have had another reason but it could have been exactly that.
Those kind of tests can be helpful for all of us.
I dont think that POIS is a disease. I think it is just the result of another issue we have. It is not the orgasm by itself. I think our hormonal balance is messed up and an orgasm is just like a fuel for this underlying mess and we need at least 3 days to get more in balance again. We can fight that with supplements but I believe we are just fighting the symptoms. We have to find the root cause - why we are unbalanced and we have to balance our hormones again.

With all the things I tried the last months I also went on a very strict diet that forbids everything glutamate related or the use of excitotoxins. Sucralose is an excitotoxin so I definitely avoid that but is it in cosmetics?

[paradoxx]

Hi POIS 2011

Although I'm not sure what to believe in terms of fluoride, I've at least been sceptical about it for a long time and avoided it for about 10 years now with a few periods of several weeks or months where I used a toothpaste that contains it. I didn't recognize any differences in these periods.

Mostly avoided cosmetic products as well due to skin problems I had early on. About 12 years ago I stopped using deodorants alltogether and replaced shampoos with natural ones. Sometimes but rarely I use some skin cream and all of them especially made for people with sensitve skin. I think doing these things was at least part of the reason my eczema are mostly a thing of the past.

So for me it looks like these things are unrelated to POIS but I don't know if they might be a factor for you. Please keep us updated with your experiments, I'm also interested in excitotoxicity.

[Going less Crazy]

As you probably know.  I'm still no longer affected by orgasm.  I've cleaned up my diet and cosmetics and whatever so much that the only thing that affects me negatively is food/supplements, mouthwash, etc.  Things you wouldn't think could cause a problem but do.  I don't want to ruin your good streak but maybe can try some Pepsodent Original as part of an experiment as well.  See if it affects you and I'll brush more lol.  But again I've been using this toothpaste for over a year without a problem and usually brush twice a day. 

I'm thinking about buying a non-sucralose mouthwash as well, but before that I'm going to compare each ingredient in the products that do and don't work.  Could obviously be another ingredient.  I'm not sure where sucralose is in products but it is a sugar so I don't think it would be in hair products but who knows.  Artificial sweeteners can be inflammatory.

The chemicals I actively look out for are aspartame and carrageenan as they cause noticeable symptoms.  Well eventually find out what this ingredient is and if it's the same/different in both of us.

[Pois 2011]

thank you paradoxx for your input. It is helpful to collect those kind of facts. Since some of us are already doing similar things it seems this cant be the root cause but cosmetics or fluoride seem to have at least an influence on us. Maybe it is some kind of buildup of our lifestyle - all the chemicals in our foods and cosmetics.

Going less crazy, I dont think Pepsodent is a brand that is available in my country. And I´ve been high and low for several months and it made me a little crazy. Right now my condition is so rock solid that I dont want to fuck with that. As I said before I think POIS is a form of a hormonal imbalance and I seem to be in balance right now. So I think I found something that works for me and I want to be sure. If I am totally sure that this works I continue to experiment. ;-) But I experimented for months now.

Aspartame is something I would definitely avoid: http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/6-dangerous-excitotoxins/
I dont know anything about carrageenan. But since I avoid any processed food, I dont consume it as well.

Regarding your supplements I have another theory and it is a little paranoid I know. But with my experiments I was also on a gut healing trip and I gave bone broth a try. I felt horrible after drinking it. Turns out it is full of glutamate. At this time I didnt understand it why I felt bad afterwards. Until I found the information about glutamate and the Excititoxicity syndrome. So I am suspicious to soft gel capsuls as well... That is the paranoid part ;-) but I am monitoring everything... http://www.livestrong.com/article/138531-ingredients-soft-gel-capsules/ 

Second thing with supplements is Calcium which is in some of my Supplements with multiple ingredients:

"Calcium is another factor in the glutamate GABA story. If glutamate is like a gun, then calcium is the bullet. Glutamate creates the scenario for excitotoxicity to happen, but the agent that actually destroys the nerve cell is the influx of calcium. The combination of excessive glutamate from any source and too much calcium is major." http://www.rlcure.com/glutamate2.html
So I would avoid any supplement with Calcium.

[Going less Crazy]

That is not paranoid at all.  What I've come to realize is if you feel bothered  from something, it is REAL, and probably something you recently consumed.  This sheot is not psychological... from my standpoint.

Sometimes I don't update on things I have stopped eating.  Actually, real bone broth did bother me and it is probably because of what your describing.  Something about msg, glutamates, etc.  If it is the real bone broth (gels up in the fridge and stuff), that is loaded with those chemicals.  I really only had the real bone broth twice before I noticed a negative response.  I also tried l-glutamine in pill form which made me nauseous and feel down mentally.  Store bone broth is much easier to handle, but I stopped that as well.

All I'm taking supplement wise currently is about 200 mg vit c and a pinch of cats claw.  But I change this from time to time.  Calcium I get from almond milk but I don't take calcium supplements.

If you feel great and don't want to experiment that's fine.  I don't want to ruin your good state.

[Pois 2011]

Today I am in POIS Mode without a doubt... 
2nd O 15 days after the last one  I have the same ole symptoms. I´ll continue on this anti cosmetic trial some further time anyway...

[Quantum]

Keep your good new habits, they will pay off.   POIS is tricky, it is sometime more severe than others, without any obvious reason.  Keep track of severity and duration, as an average, on a long period.

[Going less Crazy]

Yup, until I worked out all the kinks in my diet, pois wouldn't budge.  Next time you don't have symptoms make a list of everything in your diet and whatever went in your mouth those days leading up to O and the day of.