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http://experiencenervana.com

i am very intrigued. all prof reviews ive read say its the real deal.

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Re: Over the counter vagus nerve stimulator just hit the market
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2016, 09:46:44 AM »
It's interesting that they advertise it as a way to enjoy music. I think if I got one, I would set it to a single tone for constant stimulation/relief.
Symptoms last 6-7 days. Onset of muscle weakness after 30 seconds. Symptoms include: brain fog, fatigue, depression, pale skin/dark circles under eyes,  digestive problems, difficulty taking a full breath, irritability. NONE of these are present out of POIS.

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Re: Over the counter vagus nerve stimulator just hit the market
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2016, 02:34:45 PM »
http://experiencenervana.com

i am very intrigued. all prof reviews ive read say its the real deal.


"Curepois" also discusses experiencenervana.com here, 4th paragraph down:
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2294.msg18839#msg18839




Thanks, guys, for bringing this to our attention!

« Last Edit: July 13, 2016, 04:53:59 PM by demografx »
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Re: Over the counter vagus nerve stimulator just hit the market
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2016, 12:53:56 AM »
With grandiose claims like that, that thing better have a very lenient return policy (90 days or more), so if people don't feel the nervana, they can send that little device nervana'ing back to its warehouse. Offering such a flashy, innovative product together with such sensational claims without letting a buyer actually try it for himself would be very weird indeed.

Moreover, like Scary Sheep said, if tried, it should be used without any music whatsoever for testing purposes (initially at least). High fidelity music alone would make anyone feel good, so that would completely ruin any type of efficacy test relating to stimulation.

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Re: Over the counter vagus nerve stimulator just hit the market
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2016, 09:37:28 AM »
Prancer, thanks for your sobering remarks!

It's so easy to get caught up in a new supposed "cure" that we forget science! (And common sense!)

...and our wallets!!


« Last Edit: July 14, 2016, 06:53:26 PM by demografx »
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Re: Over the counter vagus nerve stimulator just hit the market
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2016, 06:41:42 PM »
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...if people don't feel the nervana...

...send that little device nervana'ing back to its warehouse...


;D ;D ;D


« Last Edit: July 14, 2016, 06:48:16 PM by demografx »
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Re: Over the counter vagus nerve stimulator just hit the market
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2016, 10:54:22 AM »

WARNING: let's wait for final Rutgers publication of our POIS study to see if & how tVNS works!
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Re: Over the counter vagus nerve stimulator just hit the market
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2016, 08:13:24 PM »
I emailed Nervana and they said they have a 30 day customer satisfaction guarantee and a 1 year manufacturer's warranty. With this in mind and the $10 off from the indiegogo site, I see no harm in trying it out. If it helps, then it's the cheapest VNS treatment on the market, otherwise, I could send it back.

EDIT: The stimulator has been ordered. I will use it for a few weeks then report back.
« Last Edit: September 03, 2016, 10:17:16 PM by Scary sheep »
Symptoms last 6-7 days. Onset of muscle weakness after 30 seconds. Symptoms include: brain fog, fatigue, depression, pale skin/dark circles under eyes,  digestive problems, difficulty taking a full breath, irritability. NONE of these are present out of POIS.

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Re: Over the counter vagus nerve stimulator just hit the market
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2017, 01:03:52 AM »
I received my refund from Nervana at the end of December, so I figured I better update this now. Simply put, I felt no relief from POIS symptoms with the Nervana VNS. I would use it for a few hours a day during POIS at different times throughout the day and in extended 2+ hour sessions. I tried it in combination with niacin, fenugreek, ibuprofen and other "treatments" as well as without any. With all this in mind, I determined that I was not getting any positive relief from the Nervana unit and returned it. This does not mean that VNS treatment does not work for POIS, but it does mean that the Nervana over the counter unit didn't work for me.
Symptoms last 6-7 days. Onset of muscle weakness after 30 seconds. Symptoms include: brain fog, fatigue, depression, pale skin/dark circles under eyes,  digestive problems, difficulty taking a full breath, irritability. NONE of these are present out of POIS.

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Re: Over the counter vagus nerve stimulator just hit the market
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2017, 02:23:05 AM »
Scary sheep, many thanks for reporting your valiant attempt at POIS relief with Nervana!


« Last Edit: January 17, 2017, 02:13:33 PM by demografx »
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Re: Over the counter vagus nerve stimulator just hit the market
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2017, 10:23:23 AM »
I received my refund from Nervana at the end of December, so I figured I better update this now. Simply put, I felt no relief from POIS symptoms with the Nervana VNS. I would use it for a few hours a day during POIS at different times throughout the day and in extended 2+ hour sessions. I tried it in combination with niacin, fenugreek, ibuprofen and other "treatments" as well as without any. With all this in mind, I determined that I was not getting any positive relief from the Nervana unit and returned it. This does not mean that VNS treatment does not work for POIS, but it does mean that the Nervana over the counter unit didn't work for me.

I got one as well. I does work but the device is pretty primitive. In my experience you need to use with a good eletro conductive gel (which the maker does not advise you). I use the device as an addition to my medicated regime. I have had a few distinct sensations indicating nerve being "fired up" and stimulated.

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Re: Over the counter vagus nerve stimulator just hit the market
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2017, 11:38:00 AM »
FB, thank you for reporting!!
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Re: Over the counter vagus nerve stimulator just hit the market
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2017, 03:02:08 PM »
I got one as well. I does work but the device is pretty primitive. In my experience you need to use with a good eletro conductive gel (which the maker does not advise you). I use the device as an addition to my medicated regime. I have had a few distinct sensations indicating nerve being "fired up" and stimulated.

FB
I used the saline spray pretty generously and definitely felt some sort of simulation of the nerve, (pulsing in the forehead, ear "muscles" moving involuntarily), but I felt no physical or mental relief from it.
Symptoms last 6-7 days. Onset of muscle weakness after 30 seconds. Symptoms include: brain fog, fatigue, depression, pale skin/dark circles under eyes,  digestive problems, difficulty taking a full breath, irritability. NONE of these are present out of POIS.

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Re: Over the counter vagus nerve stimulator just hit the market
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2017, 07:48:55 AM »
This device might call itself VNS device but the vagal stimulation can not be transmitted where their ear buds rest. So to me it looks like a gimmick. If you ever see the real ones used in the study then you can see the difference. And I believe insurance covers the real device is you can get your doc to prescribe it..
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Re: Over the counter vagus nerve stimulator just hit the market
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2017, 11:13:12 AM »
Disaster, thank you for that!

Never realized Rx -- and INSURANCE (Blue Cross, too??) might be possible for tVNS!

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« Last Edit: April 20, 2017, 12:04:22 PM by demografx »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business