Reduction of symptoms by diet

[Ccconfucius]

Actually, I've made a few dietary changes myself over the past few weeks which may explain why I'm still doing well on my b+ginkgo regime.

- Big reduction in gluten. I'm using some gluten free products and, otherwise, just not eating foods that are high in gluten.
- No soy or soy derived products which rules out a lot of supplements. 
- Reducing foods I know are high in MSG. No chinese takeouts.
- Trying to reduce GI so I don't feel bloated. Like others here I noticed a high GI meal will make me useless for the rest of the day. It's like mini-POIS and from the post above, I don't think that's any accident.
- Natural whey protein with no artificial sweeteners, colourings etc. I get stomach upsets from the ones with artificial sweeteners. B_Daniel recommended I try it and now I'm using Muscle Milk naturals.
- Trying to avoid anything high in fluoride that may suppress my thyroid function. I'm using a fluoride free toothpaste and I've avoided drinking the tap water in my country which is known to be over fluoridated.
- Coconut Oil and coconut milk. I get a sense of wellness when I consume this and I don't feel the cold as much. It has the weirdest effect on unblocking my sinuses. I recently put it on a bad cut I got, the kind I would have treated with HC in the past and I was amazed at how fast it healed.

This was in response to my allergist who made a pretty obvious remark that I'd somehow missed. i.e. if you say that some foods make you feel ill then perhaps you could try not eating any of them for a while while we try to figure out what's elevating Ig.
So thats low GI, high protein (not soya), reduce fluoride and MSG and MCT's from coconut.
Between the supplements I'm taking and the dietary change, this is the biggest change I've made to my life in years and I still feel good.

First of all i wanna say this diet is one of the most difficult ever. I have tried it but it is hard to find variety and you have cook all the time.(i have little time)  What are your strategies for not going hungry.

For example gluten free usually means getting high glycemic substitute.

[kurtosis]

Strategies for not going hungry?
I'm not sure. The first 2 weeks were really tough as I did feel hungry a lot of the time. After that, I don't know. It just got easier.
As for cooking, my girlfriend is following a similar diet so she's happy to cook the right things and study ingredients to make sure we're sticking to the diet. I tend to bring food with me in a snack box so I have that for lunch rather than going for lunch and getting pizza, burgers & all that other good stuff
Eating very little bread has been tough. It's the convenience food of choice for so many people.
I suppose you've seen the table at http://www.the-gi-diet.org/lowgifoods/

I just have a supply of fruit, nuts etc. that are ok and I eat them when I need. I also have 2 glasses of whey protein with extra vitamins (the muscle milk stuff) and that seems to work. If I have nothing to do some day I might go crazy and have a pizza but, mostly, I'm sticking to this. I think the coconut oil appears to be making a difference to my cold hands and feet. They warmed up a bit after a week and seem to be steadily improving.
I'd hope I don't have to eat this way forever, it would be nice if my body stopped reacting negatively to some foods but I'm willing to stick it out for a while anyway.

[kurtosis]

- No soy or soy derived products which rules out a lot of supplements. 

how does it work?

Well this is controversial but some "experts" believe that soya suppresses thyroid function. If I get a lot of it, I feel a bit sluggish. I know some products like phosphatidyl serine and lecithin are made from it and I've found these to be a mixed bag for me. I've not experienced any sustained benefit from taking soya products and I've found they exacerbate skin and digestion problems. So I decided that, whatever the truth of the soya / thyroid disease hypothesis, that I'd go out of my way not to consume soya products or soya derived supplements.

[haidcat]

It is extremely interesting that a lot of us respond badly to certain foods, and seem to feel much better when we follow a certain diet. I wonder what the connection is?

[Ccconfucius]

Actually, I've made a few dietary changes myself over the past few weeks which may explain why I'm still doing well on my b+ginkgo regime.

- Big reduction in gluten. I'm using some gluten free products and, otherwise, just not eating foods that are high in gluten.
- No soy or soy derived products which rules out a lot of supplements. 
- Reducing foods I know are high in MSG. No chinese takeouts.
- Trying to reduce GI so I don't feel bloated. Like others here I noticed a high GI meal will make me useless for the rest of the day. It's like mini-POIS and from the post above, I don't think that's any accident.
- Natural whey protein with no artificial sweeteners, colourings etc. I get stomach upsets from the ones with artificial sweeteners. B_Daniel recommended I try it and now I'm using Muscle Milk naturals.
- Trying to avoid anything high in fluoride that may suppress my thyroid function. I'm using a fluoride free toothpaste and I've avoided drinking the tap water in my country which is known to be over fluoridated.
- Coconut Oil and coconut milk. I get a sense of wellness when I consume this and I don't feel the cold as much. It has the weirdest effect on unblocking my sinuses. I recently put it on a bad cut I got, the kind I would have treated with HC in the past and I was amazed at how fast it healed.

This was in response to my allergist who made a pretty obvious remark that I'd somehow missed. i.e. if you say that some foods make you feel ill then perhaps you could try not eating any of them for a while while we try to figure out what's elevating Ig.
So thats low GI, high protein (not soya), reduce fluoride and MSG and MCT's from coconut.
Between the supplements I'm taking and the dietary change, this is the biggest change I've made to my life in years and I still feel good.

when are you redoing your ig test.

[kurtosis]

I got another test done last month but I still don't have the results. As I've said before, this is not a great country to be sick. I had to get my first allergy test done 3 times because the previous 2 results were "lost".

[omen]

Speaking of food. I've been rather surprised lately.

As many of you can attest, POIS brings digestive problems, and in my case heart-burn and acid reflux. For a whole week, the whole upper digestive tract, well from the stomach upwards, is sensitive and sore.

And as mentioned here some foods exagerate the situation, especially fatty foods. But surprisingly I've found, at least with the last two sessions, that chili peppers haven't worsened, and I even imagine, help to imporve this condition.

There's a pepper here that they call "puta madre", which is basically what you automatically say when you hit your thumb with a hammer. My mother in law made a dish with a little too much, and it was "WONDERFUL", makes you sweat under the eyes, and makes your nose drip!!

Surprisingly I felt almost better for the next 24 hours.

Go figure! Maybe it stimulates the endorphines!??

hi daveman,
                            even i get acid reflux and heart burn after an o and this time it was very bad i would get this burning sensation in my upper digestive systemin the centre and it will pain in the night while i go to sleep,then i got loose motions also maybe i got an infection then my doctor gave me antibiotics course after around 3-4 days the pain in my stomach got cured but still the first 7-10 days after an o always gives me loose motions.this time i have also got fungal infection in my groin area and a skin doctor has prescribed an antifungal but i think even fungal infection is because of the pois attack on my immune system

[sameer7777]

I also get stomach problem after O loose motion are there and stomach full of gas !!!

[b_jim]

this is my first definitive evidence that high glycemic foods affect me.
I ate a solid amount of jasmine rice for lunch and felt like crap(enough to not feel like doing any of my work and just wanted to lay in bed) for the rest of the day.
since then i have been avoiding rice.
I just looked up the glycemic index of jasmine rice it is  109, makes alot of sense.
I am going to keep avoiding rice and other high glycemic foods, deep fried foods to see what happens.


I wonder if this also occurs in people without pois but dont have diabetes.

Nice to read that. This is the only point I'm 100% convinced after 4 years of testing.

[sameer7777]

How is your readings of blood sugar random and fasting

[caveeater]

My diet is basically very low-carb right now, and I have had to cut out gluten, dairy and eggs as I discovered I was sensitive to them. I avoid sugar too. I'm basically eating fish, vegetables, coconut oil and ghee with occasional portions of rice or potatoes to boost my energy.
I know this sounds extremely boring...and it is...but I feel so much better that it is worth it. As a treat I sometimes make baked goods with coconut flour.
I am also sensitive to glutamates...even from l-glutamine in bone broth.
Following this diet has given me more mental clarity and stability. I've suffered with depression and anxiety for years, and POIS without even realizing it, but this diet has helped a lot.

I'm starting to suspect I may have a thyroid problem...as there is a connection with gluten sensitivity and allergies to the thyroid.

[caveeater]

this is my first definitive evidence that high glycemic foods affect me.
I ate a solid amount of jasmine rice for lunch and felt like crap(enough to not feel like doing any of my work and just wanted to lay in bed) for the rest of the day.
since then i have been avoiding rice.
I just looked up the glycemic index of jasmine rice it is  109, makes alot of sense.
I am going to keep avoiding rice and other high glycemic foods, deep fried foods to see what happens.
I wonder if this also occurs in people without pois but dont have diabetes.

I also have similar reactions. This may be the cause:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postprandial_somnolence

I had some rice today and am currently in POIS, and felt really horrible afterwards. Interestingly, when I wasn't in POIS I had some rice and the reaction wasn't half as bad.

[Daveman]

My diet is basically very low-carb right now, and I have had to cut out gluten, dairy and eggs as I discovered I was sensitive to them. I avoid sugar too. I'm basically eating fish, vegetables, coconut oil and ghee with occasional portions of rice or potatoes to boost my energy.
I know this sounds extremely boring...and it is...but I feel so much better that it is worth it. As a treat I sometimes make baked goods with coconut flour.
I am also sensitive to glutamates...even from l-glutamine in bone broth.
Following this diet has given me more mental clarity and stability. I've suffered with depression and anxiety for years, and POIS without even realizing it, but this diet has helped a lot.

I'm starting to suspect I may have a thyroid problem...as there is a connection with gluten sensitivity and allergies to the thyroid.

Quinoa is very good for zero gluten diets. High protein, tasty, comes in seeds and flour.

[b_jim]

Stress----               -----Immune system ?--
             \            /                                  \
 Hi Gi -----  Insuline                                    --   Pois
              /           \                                /
Exercice---               --- Testosterone  ----


I'm working on this schema ....


Other point : some guys think the fact to eat cold food ( I mean ambiant temperature) causes less inflammation compared to hot food !! Because hot food increase the speed of glucose in blood (increase IG).
VERY interesting.

[demografx]

Very interesting indeed, b_jim. As you know, my anti-inflammatory experiments (in addition to TRT)  have brought me to POIS- free symptoms.

[b_jim]

No I didn't, I wasn't present on the forums last weeks. . Can you put a link of your post about this, please ?

[demografx]

I have posted on many threads, b_jim, including the "Testosterone" thread.

[Ccconfucius]

I have posted on many threads, b_jim, including the "Testosterone" thread.

i dont remember any of them either. I only  remember you trying levitra and then testosterone.
can you post here.

[b_jim]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120402162546.htm

"Inflammation is partly regulated by the hormone cortisol and when cortisol is not allowed to serve this function, inflammation can get out of control,"

[alexp]

I have had some improvement in symptoms with the following dietary regimen and lifestyle changes.

Diet

1. I have transitioned to a raw food, vegan diet.  http://www.runningraw.com/
2. Daily supplements include vitamin D3 and CoQ10  http://www.livestrong.com/benefits-of-coenzyme-q10/
3. 1 tablespoon of Bragg's apple cider vinegar daily  http://www.buzzle.com/articles/health-benefits-apple-cider-vinegar.html  http://bragg.com/products/bragg-organic-apple-cider-vinegar.html
4. Eliminated wheat from my diet  http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505269_162-57505149/modern-wheat-a-perfect-chronic-poison-doctor-says/
5. After an emission, one Airborne tablet mixed with water and a packet of Emergen-C    http://www.airbornehealth.com/     http://www.emergenc.com/index.php

Lifestyle

1. I limit emissions as much as possible; once every 10 days; admittedly easier for me since I'm alone.
2. I've gone to extreme measures with caffeine and exercise to avoid sleeping after an emission, and have noticed a positive effect on cognition and mood.
3. I have become more physically active at times when I would otherwise start thinking about being with a woman, which has allowed me to extend periods between emissions.


The above changes in diet and lifestyle have taken years, which is why I don't post here often. If you're looking for something over the short term, consider taking apple cider vinegar daily. It takes a little over a month to notice the benefits. In my case, it helped take the edge off of the extreme fatigue in POIS. Also, the Airborne / Emergen-C mixture is fairly easy and inexpensive. I would suggest, however, that neither of these will help very much unless you're extending the length of time between emissions. The raw foods diet and elimination of wheat dramatically reduces inflammation which in turn addresses joint and muscle pain in POIS.


Alexp
Male, Age 43
Onset of POIS: Age 24
Sexual Active: No
POIS symptoms: Severe