The White Stuff

[Daveman]

This thread is here to discuss the pros and cons of eliminatin of the white stuff in the urine.

I had associated it with kidney damage, but certain posts have raised the doubt that it just could be the result of an accelerated function of the kidney that filters and eliminates this ggop from the system.

Since not everybody has POIS, it's another one of those things that "regular doctors" can't answer in an unbiased way.

So among us, I'd like to discuss how we could find ways to further assure a better understanding of this process.

[UnderstandingPois]

  haha that is very easy i could solve that, but im unwilling to take a sample of that white stuff to a doctor, haha


you know cause this stuff could be anything.

[Vincent M]

You believe a doctor would be able to easily figure out what the white stuff is?

[Daveman]

Figuring out what the white stuff is, is probably not all that hard, interpreting how it got there would be the hard part.

That's why I say we have to guide them.

We do some investigation, find out what tests to take, look into the things that cause white stuff, see effects of white stuff and NSADs, and white stuff and energy drinks, stuff like that. Try to see from that, what POIS might be doing that has some relation to what we find in the precious investigations.

Then we go to the doctors and tell them what we want tested and how.

[UnderstandingPois]

i want to tell everyone, do not go on antidepressant drugs, andy dopamine medication, i found out, that it is all about the white chalky stuff, i guess it wasent all out of my body, i stopped using multivitamin,vitamin d, and a bunch of the stuff is coming out again, for 1 day so far each time, i feel way better, it really fixes all of my symptoms, i guess i eliminated alot of this chalky stuff, but not all is gone from my body. the light doesent hurt my eyes anymore, feelings come back, i get pleasurable feelings from thoughts, like i just feel way better. i know if all of this chalky stuff was out, it would be like day 17 without orgy. this is the problem, and if you have the same white chalky stuff coming out, i suggest you focus on this, because the last time a bunch of this stuff came out for me, i felt so alive , pois no more, but really how to get this stuff out, is the confusing part.

about 3 days ago, i started feeling really sick, to my stomach and mentally, it was a ucky feeling, really horrible, the light would hurt my head n eyes, everything was so dull.depression was horrible. and i decided to stop taking vitamins, and every couple hours it gets better n better, n im feeling more n more alive with this chalky stuff coming out.

[Daveman]

Go get a urine test when you have this stuff coming out, and lets have a look at what's coming out.

Even though the doctors might have a million answers as to what it is, let's have a look. try to get to the bottom of it ourselves.

[Stef]

This is what you might want to do --

Get any small/medium glass jar (enough to hold all the urine from one urination--use your judgment how large the jar should be) and sterilize it in a pot of boiling water for five minutes--or run it through a dishwasher cycle -- with the cover off but sterilized along with the jar. First-morning urine is the most concentrated and gives the best sample, FYI, so if this happens first thing in the morning -- definitely strike while the kettle's hot!!

Once the jar and cover are sterilized, keep it closed and right near the toilet...for the next time the "white stuff" appears.

When this "white stuff" appears -- STOP URINATING IMMEDIATELY -- open that cup, and urinate the rest into the jar.  Write your name, date, and time of specimen on the jar.

Then bring it to the doc's office -- tell him/them you just didn't "feel right" and this is what you just urinated out. Don't forget to mention that the cup is sterile. (If you can't get right to the doc, keep the specimen refrigerated -- it can wait up until 24 hours in your fridge to hand it in.

They'll do a dipstick test of the U/A in the office -- which might show protein, etc -- might show nothing.  Ask if it can be tested by an outside lab--you feel like there is something going on, irritation--? an infection -- whatever you are feeling (or felt). You might end up needing to make this into an appointment, but can at least hand in the specimen, even if you hand it in ahead of time and the appointment is a day later. (They don't want to just have an abnormal urine test, or someone stating that there are unusual urinary symptoms or findings on your part, without a patient evaluation. It might sound like money-grubbing, but in truth, that's good medical practice.)

Seriously, don't even mention POIS, unless your doc already knows that you're struggling with this.

For anyone worried about possibly finding illicit drug use in the urine -- don't worry!  Urine drug testing is not done when someone brings in a specimen-- it's done in a very strict fashion, chain of custody of the urine, must be done in the doc's office, etc. And they would also need your permission to do that type of testing--but won't do it from a specimen that you bring in.  Try to remember that YOU are in charge, not the doc.

However, you might want to ask your doc, "Could this somehow be semen???"  "What could it be???" "I'd really like to know -- this isn't the first time."

Obviously I don't have a clue, but it could be semen--or some part of semen -- which is NOT supposed to mix in with urine.  If it is, that's could be a major part of the puzzle! 

[UnderstandingPois]

you could start with trying,,     omega3-6-9,       and or cla 95.


cause both of these get the chalky stuff out for me,     take it for about 23 days. 


when the chalky stuff comes out, i notice, eyesight is way clearer, objects look more 3d, like sharpness around edges lol. i can think better, brain fog<===        i used to take it everyday and i felt great, cla 95.         reasons why i stopped, its a fatty acid, 2 much is bad for stomach, i lost to much weight , i swell up .   =)    for like 2 months i took it and i was fine.

then you know those side effects, or w/e i thought vitamind helped me in the same way, but i guess it isent nearly as good.


and if yous want to try the same thing that i did for relief of pois,

i was taking centrum protegra, 5 hour energy, energize all day energy n calorie burning pill.  i got alot of sun each day. pop in my head and pois was never nearly as bad since , white chalky stuff comes out.   so this is when i got better. this is what i took.


i will be going back to cla 95, if what i am trying now doesent work,  no vitamins or anything.  its been days, and this chalky stuff slowly comes out, but everyday im feeling better. today is the best, no sickky feeling. depression going away. brain fog.

[UnderstandingPois]

   ok, i remember this time, i took ritalin for a long period of time, n it dident work the same anymore, i felt so crappy it was horrible,   i was so depressed, i whent without anything after that for 2 weeks, then i remember i took 1 omega 3-6-9 before bed, each day, then this one day i woke up feeling so alive so awsome, no pois, i put on a cd player, it sounded so awsome, i ate ate ate, and it was that day where jesus was supposed to come, i actually believed it because i never felt so alive in a very long time, and i remember i whent to drink at a freinds house, i felt awsome that day, and i realize that i was taking omega 3-6-9 .

im going to try this again.  but i remember i never used to take it because when i did before i felt really weird and tired.
but maybe this was a good thing.

im not going to abuse supplements like i did in the past, that is why i never knew what ones were actually helping me , i took them all at once.

but for pois i can only say good things about omega3-6-9,    cla 95.

also, i notice, sardines, chips, help in the same way but milder.   im guessing cause of the fatty acids. you know vegetable oil, n fish oil.

[Daveman]

understandingpois,

We still have to find out what this white stuff is.

If the things that you are taking, fix POIS by getting the white stuff out, we need to find out what it is and why.

Because those things you take aren't a cure.

The cure comes from undertanding the mechanism.

So since this is so "marked" and "defined" with you, it would be a good case to use as a base.

When the white stuff comes again, follow the instructions of nordnurse above and take a sample. It's for the good of POIS.

Once we know what's in there and what's being expelled, we can start to undertand what's going on.

OK?

[UnderstandingPois]

   daveman, try cla 95,  it cant hurt to try it, tell me if you feel better.     nothing has helped so much with pois.

[UnderstandingPois]

   i wonder does anyone else get tingling in there ear, even in just one ear?

like say a weird feeling by ear

[UnderstandingPois]

  thats another thing i forgot about,,, when this chalky stuff comes out, i have a refreshed sleep.

[Daveman]

   daveman, try cla 95,  it cant hurt to try it, tell me if you feel better.     nothing has helped so much with pois.

We have to be very careful about recommending compounds that produce symptoms that CAN be considered as potentially very dangerous.

White Stuff in the urine is a danger sign! It COULD be that in this case there is a different, maybe even {i}key[/i] relationship to what is going on, but we need to investigate. I cannot recommend nor wil I venture into something that produces a symptom that is otherwise considered a danger sign, without deeper investigation.

It's a shame that you resist taking blood measurements, becasue we could potentially miss a key discovery, but I can't allow us to risk members without doing further tests.

Ignoring product sales WEB sites who don't give a real hoot about OUR health, I found this.

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These same side effects could easily account for the white stuff.
The white stuff is probably fatty material that the cla-95 (burns from the system) It may make you feel better, but at what cost?
Maybe none, but let's look into it through a more proper investigation.

If it's actually making POIS better as a by-product, let's find out what that process is and if it's not casuing us more damage than good.

[UnderstandingPois]

its funny you say that, im not asking you to overdose, did you know that there is alot of cla in cow milk? so per 15 grams you are taking alot!!!!!!!!!!!!!             

its funny tho how people say , what are the risks? dont you feel screwed with pois, dont you feel screwed anyway? well i dident care about that stuff i can tell you i tried almost every product on the market, and i never had anything serious happen to me , just be smart about it, ive only had success with a few things and cla 95 was the most succesfull.

so this thing how you think that chalky stuff is really bad if it comes out! this is the best thing that could happen to me if all of that stuff was out n stayed out. and im sure this is about imflamation so it would make sence that imflamation meds get this stuff out. if your worried about your liver, maybe we could have a liver problem in the 1st place, i doubt people with pois ieven think about that. fats have a big role in pois, and the liver stores fats, .   or maybe its just me, i cannot, i have a very hard time gaining weight.

[UnderstandingPois]

   makes me wonder, i abused milk in the past drinking around 1 or 2 jugs every 2 days. =)   i abused dairy products.

if you dont want to agree with this, chalky stuff being a good sign, when its out.  then dude its right infront of your eyes, i guess youll have to start from scratch . i tried everything not just supplements but i mean everything i could try to get past pois.

if you want to not believe , and go thrue everything i did just to finally agree that this chalky stuff is the real deal in pois.

have a good 20 years dude.

the only reason why people wont believe is because they havent had a pop in there head, wich i think is a blockage that unblocked, and then i mean this stuff came out for weeks. but at that moment the chalky stuff came out it was alot!! it was like gooe .

this chalky stuff never did come out before that point, and that is why before i had horrid pois symptoms.

and i dont give a darn what doctors scientists say, i no longer listen to them , unless i know for myself 4sure that they are right. anyway when it comes to pois, or things of my knowledge anyway.

[Daveman]

It might or might not be safe. I hope it is.

Why do you resist testing the white stuff? If you really want to help the POIS cause, we'll get to the bottom of why it works before we push something on people that causes white stuff in their urine.

So if you want to pursue this line, let's do it in a safe controlled way.

I KNOW that you can feel better when you get rid of the white stuff. What you don't seem to understand is that, just becasue you feel better because you eliminate it, doesn't mean that it is the cause of POIS.

If we want to know what's going on, we have to do more than guess.

So there won't be a whole lot more discussion on this point unless it's about how we can test it better and understand the mechanism.

Theres too much at stake.

[UnderstandingPois]

ok sorry about my last posts, i was totally out of line, n ya you could easily be right. sorry about that just pois gets to me sometimes, makes me go crrrraaazzy lol

ok well, yes when taking cla 95 , white chalky stuff comes out, but then i notice the light sun hurts my head n eyes, so i can see clearer n everything, but i dont think that this is the white chalky stuff that relieved my pois, it is something else. so yes when it comes out i do feel better in alot of ways, but i do feel worse in some, the liver is the most regenerating organ in the body, so it can repair itself pretty quikly, im not to worried about that, if your worried about liver problems milk thistle aolong with lecithin will help sppeed it up.

ok but i notice a difference between when im sure that the chalky stuff coming out is a good thing, when taking cla 95, the chalky stuff comes out i cant say i feel better, but when i dont take vitamins or anything n chalky stuff comes out, my head instantly feels clearer, and light, and brain fog goes away. so the chalky stuff that i had come out when pois got better, i think is different from what comes out when taking cla 95.  so maybe we are confusing this.  maybe cause tylenol or any of that medicationi will never try, i never did because i know it is really bad for the liver.

also tho, i do have alot of symptoms of liver problems, like fattique, unable 2 gain weight, dry skin.

but the messed up thing is all my blood tests are normal, every time. checkups and everything.

when i had pois at the start, i remember not taking vitamins or anything was the best thing, i felt awsome after 6-7 days, and then i started taking vitamins , i never felt as good recovering from pois.

im wondering so much and im guessing that pois sufferers take a multivitamin or suplements herbs, and really even taking a multivitamin your taking way more fat soluble vitamins that you need, it can be toxic.

i remeber pois was never as bad till i took, energy drinks, multivitamins. vitamins.

one time i got single vitamins, i took them and i took way more than any1 should. it was like vitamin a , n more, it felt exactly like a bad case of pois.

[UnderstandingPois]

  i dont know i just refuse. i live in a situation that every1 knows my buisness.

[BluesBrother]

This thread is here to discuss the pros and cons of eliminatin of the white stuff in the urine.

Has there been any progress on this? I also used to have "white stuff" in my urine (hasn't been there in a while, though - after having been almost completely abstinent from any sexual activity for some months now).