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Fenugreek: All Members' Trials
« on: May 24, 2013, 12:00:59 AM »
Overview of all of Our Members' Experiences with Fenugreek


--Good Results--


hurray: "fenugreek is supposed to lower blood sugar, and it is the one thing that has helped me the most."
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=258.msg3314#msg3314
"I've been taking Fenugreek for a couple of years to alleviate my POIS symptoms. In fact, I take it every day, since it has a positive effect on my "charisma" - leaves me feeling more sociable/less introverted. I always have an extra dosage before an anticipated O, and again after the O. I took capsules for a long time - now I mix my own since it's a lot cheaper and just as effective. One thing I have noticed - Fenugreek works a lot better on a full stomach than an empty stomach."
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=27.msg375#msg375
He was the first of our members to think of trying fenugreek: "Synthetic oxytocin is difficult to obtain and administer, so I thought I'd give Fenugreek a try, which is praised for its oxytocin-like properties"
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg200321#msg200321

Vincent M: I've been taking fenugreek+garlic/tea nearly every day for more than a year now with occasional week long or so breaks. It has been a reliable method to decrease all of my physical and cognitive pois symptoms. It works better for me when taken an hour or two before orgasm, but I usually take it in the morning and/or afternoon because it tends to keep me awake too long otherwise. Like Observer, I've noticed it decreased the intensity and pleasure of some of my orgasms, however I only experienced this a few times when I first began taking it with the Solaray brand. It might reduce my appetite and libido slightly, but I can't tell if it is just giving me more self control over those urges. Fenugreek+green tea gives me more energy and relieves physical symptoms more than fenugreek+garlic for me.

Daniel: "The last eight weeks I had orgasms 99% free of symptoms...This winter I took vitamine B pills (B1, B6 and B12). Every day one for 3 weeks...These pills made me feel much better, I felt much more clear in my head. Additionally, I took every day one fenugreek capsule. After 3 weeks I quited with the vitamine B (you can get an overdose of B6, so I thought to take care with this) and I also quited with the fenugreek. I did not get orgasms in this period, simply because I had so much work to do at my job, I could not afford to have one. Then, after one or one and half week I started vitamine B again, every week 2 or 3 pills. So every second day. Some weeks after that I addionally started my fenugreek again. I now take two capsules every morning after my breakfast. I was following this for about 4 or 5 weeks."
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=346.msg4279#msg4279
"I am still doing very well with the fenugreek and B vitamines[About a month later]. After orgasm, no POIS. Sometimes I am a little bit tired but that is not a big problem. The great thing is that the severe brainfog which I normally had, is totally gone. As I still have some other health problems (stiff muscles, quickly tired and some others)"
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=346.msg4522#msg4522

Observer: Fenugreek + garlic reliably improved his pois symptoms for at least a month. It worked for him whether taken before or after orgasm. Noted decreased intensity and pleasure of orgasms.
"I can say with 100% certainty that it is not a placebo effect in my case. I want to share with you what happened to me yesterday. I ate at the dinner soy meat or vege meat plus a big salad. Then i took two capsules of Fenugreek. I had an orgasm on the night(1-2 hours after) due to sexual intercourse, but it was a weak orgasm( maybe 10% of intensity? of normal ones). I woke up on the morning with NO POIS(normal sleep 7 hours). POIS has not appeared during the day, except with 10-20% when i drank sugar drinks plus junk food at lunch and it dissappeared in less than 2 hours. I didnĀ“t take more fenugreek after the O. and i feel incredibly well. I am thinking that the combination of big amount of quality food/good diet without junk food plus 2 Fenugreek capsules(fenugreek works better with full stomach)"
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=27.msg1006#msg1006
"I tend to have both, maybe cognitive are more stronger than flu-like symptoms. Fenugreek seems to help with both( i feel like more energized without any cognitive symptoms, certainly not flu-like symptoms), and garlic helps with cognitive symptoms (brain-fog) but the snoozing/tiredness remains in some way."
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=27.msg111#msg111

GDRTW: "I have started taking zinc and magnesuim supplements and they have helped me without a doubt. Like I have mentioned before my biggest problem is burning eyes."
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg409210#msg409210
06/19/2013 These things helped him: Huperzine A, Feenugreek with a good dose of green tea before and after O, Liquid B-12, Monster Khaos Energy Drink (the best of the energy drinks I have tried. Strong doses of B2, B3, B6, B12 and taurine with a good dose of caffeine in as well. This one fixed a lot of my brain fog as well), Zinc + Magnesium, Coffee (slightly), Sleep (the best cure), B3 Niacin (not sure how helpful this is).

Prancer: "yes, the fenugreek tea decreases my symptoms. I think the visceral experience (so relaxing/warm) plays a big role, but it's probably also from the fenugreek itself (ps: I also have the fenugreek 610mg capsules and I take them once in a while too)"
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg412147#msg412147
"I drink fenugreek tea and I love it! I'm a very big tea fan (hot and cold), and you gave me the idea so thank you! I think I would drink that even without POIS!"
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=468.msg6303#msg6303

berhune: "I remained on the prowl for further remedies.  Fenugreek and garlic were those for me. Now, in addition to the niacin, I take fenugreek and garlic capsules before O, and after at any point when I might feel that vague, fuzzy, sink-into-your-chair-and-never-get-up feeling, and, although I never swear, I have to now: by God it works!  I've been productive with almost all of my time ever since..."
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1052.msg9529#msg9529

Limejuice: "I experiemented with the doses and periods of fenugreek.  My normal schedule is take two an hour before and POIS is virtually gone.  This time I tried taking one a half hour before.  After orgasm I could tell immediately that POIS was back in full force.  I got 3 hours sleep, can't remember anything, and brain fog up the wazzu.  I also feel pressure in my head but that could be from lack of sleep - either way it's unpleasant."
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg208770#msg208770
?I've used fenugreek for 2 weeks with continued success.  I almost feel POIS free around the clock now!  What I'm beginning to experience are mild sustained headaches like light pressure that I believe is from the fenugreek.  I stopped taking the herb for a day and the headaches disappeared.  Going forward I'll only take fenugreek before orgasm.?
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg207614#msg207614
The vitamin shoppe fenugreek did not reduce 'O' intensity or symptoms.  The Solgar Fenugreek worked.  Brand is important.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg204675#msg204675

Bulls eye: "when i use fenugreek and garlic which are hypoglycemic it also decreases my pois , but what they have in common and nictonic acid doesnt is that both garlic and fenugreek have thier positive effect wether taken before or after orgasm , while niacin only works before and it increases blood sugar so it must work in a completely different mechanism"
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=174.msg4342#msg4342
"Fenugreek + Garlic does work !! it pulls me from severe POIS to what its like at 3 - 4 days after O , not complete recovery but it sure helps"
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=27.msg1759#msg1759

Samir: "I've found fenugreek is quite effective.  Maybe because it's traditionally used in Indian cooking and my parents are Indian, but it's the most effective thing I've found.  Combining it with the other things that work like zinc, spinach, garlic, fish oil, and krill oil, I can recover much quicker than ever before."
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=64.msg2766#msg2766

cornelius: "They weren't a cure, but the Fenugreek and Saw Palmetto had noticeable effects during a month on/ month off trial. In particular, my girlfriend could always tell when I'd forgotten to take my daily Fenugreek from my ability to focus, and the month where I ran out of Saw Palmetto without noticing (while waiting for a new shipment), more or less everything that I'd been managing to hold together fell apart.* I tried everything in the POIS handbook that way, and those two were the only ones that seemed to help."
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=245.msg3306#msg3306

Dav Says one 495mg cap taken about 15min after orgasm has decreased his fatigue, stiff muscles, and flu-like symptoms. "The 3rd and 4th times, I also took 1 garlic cap after, but I don't know whether it made a difference or not. I also haven't tried the fenugreek in combination with green tea. Fenugreek has not diminished the intensity of my orgasms so far, and the results have been consistent over 3 weeks. I still try not to ejaculate too often (I keep it to once/week)"
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1057.msg11435#msg11435

storygeekz: "I say the most helpful thing for me is to take 3-5 cloves of garlic after O. Then do the same for the meal after O. Take garlic during the meal. After digesting the meal, I jog for a bit to circulate garlic in my body. I completely heal the next day. The same day I feel 60% healed. Before I used to have agonizing brain fog for 4 days and it would dissaper after the 7th day. I'm so glad I came across your guy's suggestion of taking raw garlic. I never tried garlic supplements. Taking fenugreek with garlic makes healing better."
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=27.msg3415#msg3415

tatvamasi: Said taking fenugreek for 10 days reduced his eye burning and brainfog after one orgasm.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg372487#msg372487

0002ppdnuos: "In conclusion, the efficacy of F&G[Fenugreek&Garlic] in wiping off POIS is 2/7 (or 29%) based on the fact that my POIS session, without treatments, lasts precisely for 7 days.
I'm wondering if the efficacy could be incremented by increasing the F&G dosage per day.""Took 2 times F&G (I started mixing fenugreek with green tea powder into a cup of hot water, and drank another cup of coffee separately) at a six-hour interval. Fenugreek seemed to be absorbed better with green tea."
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=27.msg4680#msg4680

Guthrie: "I took 6 Solgar fenugreek capsules 2.5 hours before release.  For the previous few releases, I had taken 3 capsules.  During the day on Thursday, I felt better than I did the previous few times.  The brain fog was still decreased, and in addition, there was even less mental, physical, and emotional sluggishness.  It still wasn't a 'complete cure', but it seems that the doubled-dosage had a positive effect."
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg214232#msg214232

martin88: "Fenugreek was more effective (30% improvement for POIS), but with inconsistent results. Appetite was increased a lot on it, and sexual frequency was increased which I don't like."
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg300268#msg300268

afghan666: "fenugreek+ginseng+sulbutiamine+gingko biloba+optimen tabs hav an enormous improvement in pois and i am O ing daily.the only thing am concerned is whether fenugreek's effect will last or if i might build up some sort of tolerance.???"
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg345074#msg345074
From pm on 6/9/2013: "fenugreek cures me physically and menally 70-90% for a period of 15-19 days.10-15 seeds cure me 80% but i get back aches and pains which i suspect is because of kidneys or adrenal glands somehow.the more seeds ii ingest the better."

John21: "I have personally been helped by an anti-inflammatory diet, and fenugreek has also helped."[unsure of trial duration]
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg392691#msg392691

digitalmac: "I've had success with taking Fenugreek after seeing it recommended here. Normally my recovery period is 4-5 days. But taking Fenugreek an hour before orgasm cuts that time in half. Taking it *after* orgasm doesn't seem to have any effect. I've been taking two capsules of the Solgar brand Fenugreek."[unsure of trial duration]
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg220970#msg220970

Chewbacca: "What has helped me with POIS induced social anxiety is fenugreek." [unsure of trial duration]
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg208203#msg208203

Lodewijkp: "for some reason niacin, fenugreek, cannabis and theanine improves my health and relieves like 40 % of these symptoms ( physical ones but not mental ones )."[unsure of trial duration]
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=796.msg7274#msg7274

Eugen: "Fenugreek has helped me." [unsure of trial duration]
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=934.msg9435#msg9435

curedone2013: "Previously after ejaculation, within 1/2 hour I would start feeling brain fog, really tired, sore eyes, complete lack of focus/retention of anything new, general sickness, complete lack of sex drive, muscle weakness, and soreness in my joints which increased for about 2 days and then would begin to subside and I would feel normal again after about 6 days." "I recently started drinking olive oil, increased the amount of fat in my diet, and take fenugreek and I noticed that I would feel a LOT better."
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg413233#msg413233

Staystrong: "I also take Fenugreek to reduce the intensity of my orgasms which seems to help with the pressure in my head."
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg238274#msg238274

omen: "i tried fenugreek while in pois....it helps,but makes me aggressive..."[unsure of trial duration]
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=27.msg1699#msg1699
Said he has fenugreek in his daily meals(lives in India):
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=22.msg3172#msg3172

Vanker: "I have tried fenugreek before and after an orgasm. It eliminated my social anxiety. And my brain fog had been greatly reduced. my physical symptoms also reduced. It's also made me more sociable. I also noticed if I take it after an orgasm I sleep very soundly. It also help me alot during POIS. I have read Hurray posts on the NakedScientistForum and this forum and my symptoms is very similar to Hurray. Like very dry skin and extremely straw hair. The most awful symptoms for me is my cognitive symptoms."
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=27.msg19119#msg19119

Other results continued into post below
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« Last Edit: August 19, 2016, 07:22:33 PM by Vincent M »
Taking ginger tea, no wheat, fenugreek+green tea/garlic, saw palmetto, niacin, boswellia, huperzine, B complex and nutmeg. See my treatment summary post for more info: http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=81.msg3513#msg3513

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Re: Fenugreek: All Members' Trials
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2013, 12:10:52 AM »
--Unsure/Unclear--


longwalkhome: "I took around five capsules of Fenugreek every day for about a month. It apparently killed most of my headaches, and some other minor Pois issues at first, but after a while I felt like I'd fully relapsed into the vicious Pois cycle. I stopped taking the supplement after that and went on with my personal life as before. But after stopping my regular Fenugreek in-take, I suddenly felt much worse after orgasm. I don't know how to describe this, but I do know that I was able to think a lot more clearly under Fenugreek than before - maybe the symptoms really had decreased, but I was just a little more aware of how I was doing than I used to be under the usual emotional numbness of Pois?"
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg216281#msg216281

Porke: "Took one friday night and one on saturday morning after 'some action' :P
I did feel much better than I usually do. Normally i feel very drained, with an almost headachy feel inside my head for a day or two after.. Very down generally. This time i did not have any strange feeling in my head, and did not feel as 'drained'. I wasnt bouncing off the walls, but I could tell that I was doing much much better than usual. By sunday, i felt 100% - so this stuff def helps - FOR ME. I bought Solgar" [short trial period]
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg301982#msg301982

CertainlyPOIS:"My final report on fenugreek. Two before orgasm and two after orgasm. brain fogginess gone I can read now even into the night. total exhaustion reduced alot. cognitve skills still impaired memory still impaired."
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg214277#msg214277
[later]"fenugreek - i already tried didnt seem to work i will try again."
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg298380#msg298380

acronym: "Fenugreek I tried and was very impressed the first week but its effect faded after that. I have not tried it for quite a while."
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg300629#msg300629

girlwind: "I've tried fenugreek in the past, but I don't recall it being helpful."
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg201351#msg201351

Zoop: "I've taken fenugreek a few week ago and I got immediate good results. But that didn't last long, a little bit more than a week. Then all the symptoms got back, it was so disappointed. I tried to raise doses but nothing to do. Two days ago I took some ginseng, my state improved a bit. Then I took fenugreek again and I felt as good as first time I took fenugreek. I think maybe fenugreek helps but it could consume another essential substance that ginseng bring back. If yes I got back my energy, I mean mental and physical"
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg339962#msg339962

dbfd588: "have tried the Fenugreek and it does seem to help take the edge off of the symtoms."[unsure of trial duration]
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg352814#msg352814

fsol: "I take 1 tablet of Hidroxil and 2 capsules of Nature's Way fenugreek every morning. In addition to this I also take some ginseng pills, but to be honest I have no idea if either the fenugreek or the ginseng has any effect"
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=455.msg5053#msg5053
"I took it[fenugreek] for a while, both before and after an O. It had some effect but nothing dramatic. But the drawback was that my armpits really started to stink so badly when I ate it. Even though I kept on washing them they still stunk. So I stopped using it."
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=455.msg9610#msg9610

Yaniv K.: "I am not sure about that[fenugreek], I belive it slightly helps."
(not from forums)

LAPOISSE: "Fenugreek probably helped me too"
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1057.msg9556#msg9556

NakedDynamo: "I've now tried Fenugreek with limited success." later said he had "depression, Anti-Social behavior, Chronic Fatigue"
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg259045#msg259045
"Unfortunately, Relora and fenugreek are probably not the answer for me."
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg262302#msg262302


--Did not Help--


Vandemolen: "I think the effect of Fenugreek is placebo. I tried it for a few weeks. No effect."
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=27.msg1000#msg1000

b_jim: here he said fenugreek did not help.
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=81.msg4267#msg4267
"I took fenugreek before orgasm. I had few symptoms but it don't know if fenugreek helped or not. I will test again. But in the same time, I start to have non-Pois symptoms of nervousness during some hours and I don't have a good sleep. I usually have these symptoms when I drink caffeine, so I suspect fenugreek to be the cause. But we'll see next week." [Trial was less than ~15 days]
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg294463#msg294463

Dan: "Fenugreek and Garlic didnt help me."
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=387.msg7104#msg7104

caveeater: "I've tried Fenugreek and garlic before and neither worked for me."
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=480.msg5271#msg5271

Jon: "Fenugreek and garlic did not work for me."
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=638.msg6856#msg6856
"since I have taken fenugreek + garlic I have noticed miled relief in everyday symptoms. I find that orgasms may be less intense and therefore the brain fog is less intense, but I also have been noticing less pleasure/creativity/caring in every life since I have started taking it."
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=27.msg978#msg978

Shahnameh: "I've been through three orgasm to post-orgasm cycles, and the Fenugreek has worked every time. After orgasm, there's only a slight sluggishness for an hour or so. After that, I'm back to being active and alert. Maybe three cycles isn't enough to prove conclusively that the Fenugreek isn't merely a placebo, but the Fenugreek has yet to let me down."
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg201265#msg201265
[About 4 days later]: "not taking Fenugreek anymore. It started to be less effective as time went on. I think its efficacy might be a result of the placebo effect."
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg371079#msg371079

gondal4: "this fenugreek tea dont help me,iam trying for 2 days After O...not 1% better"
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg403642#msg403642








If you would like me to add any updates or make any changes to your section let me know. If anyone has any general suggestions for this overview that'd be good as well. I tried to make this as comprehensive as possible of our fenugreek trials, but I think I missed some members and posts.

So far there seem to be 11 to 14 members who've had definite and at least somewhat reliable beneficial effects from fenugreek.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2016, 07:20:07 PM by Vincent M »
Taking ginger tea, no wheat, fenugreek+green tea/garlic, saw palmetto, niacin, boswellia, huperzine, B complex and nutmeg. See my treatment summary post for more info: http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=81.msg3513#msg3513

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Re: Fenugreek: All Members' Trials
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2013, 01:20:13 AM »
Important facts about fenugreek :

Very rich in vitamin B6 (100mg fenugreek => 46% RDD )
Iron (186%) , Copper (120%) and proteins.

16% for potassium, but I wonder if this mineral is not a key factor in my Pois, considering insuline diarrheas, muscle tremors.
(1 ejaculation = 330 mg of K, about 7% of RDD ). And it seems western diet is poor in potassium.
4700mg recommanded, average intake 3100mg for men. And chronic diarrheas is a loss of K.

EDIT: the % are given for 100g of fenugreek.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2013, 07:35:42 AM by b_jim »
Taurine = Anti-Pois
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Re: Fenugreek: All Members' Trials
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2013, 01:37:56 AM »
I see what you did. You meant to type 100 grams of fenugreek; not 100mg. This site says 100 grams supplies 46% of the RDD for B6:
http://www.nutrition-and-you.com/fenugreek-seeds.html

These two sites back that last site up and they look reliable:
http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/239?qlookup=fenugreek&fg=&format=&man=&lfacet=&max=25&new=1
http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminB6-HealthProfessional/

My opinion is that none of us are going to be consuming enough fenugreek for the nutrient content to really matter.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2013, 04:09:23 PM by Vincent M »
Taking ginger tea, no wheat, fenugreek+green tea/garlic, saw palmetto, niacin, boswellia, huperzine, B complex and nutmeg. See my treatment summary post for more info: http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=81.msg3513#msg3513

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Re: Fenugreek: All Members' Trials
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2013, 03:20:56 AM »
The most interesting quality of fenugreek to me is its similarity to oxytocin. Both increase breast milk secretion. Some sites say that fenugreek also induces uterine contractions in women similarly to oxytocin, but I can't find a reliable source for this.

An article that hurray linked to a while back that provides evidence for viagra and similar drugs increasing levels of oxytocin: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070823161930.htm

This herb may protect against stomach ulcers:  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12127242

There are many studies about its ability to regulate blood sugar.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2013, 11:10:49 PM by Vincent M »
Taking ginger tea, no wheat, fenugreek+green tea/garlic, saw palmetto, niacin, boswellia, huperzine, B complex and nutmeg. See my treatment summary post for more info: http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=81.msg3513#msg3513

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Re: Fenugreek: All Members' Trials
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2013, 04:26:42 AM »
Important facts about fenugreek :

Very rich in vitamin B6 (100mg fenugreek => 46% RDD )
Iron (186%) , Copper (120%) and proteins.

16% for potassium, but I wonder if this mineral is not a key factor in my Pois, considering insuline diarrheas, muscle tremors.
(1 ejaculation = 330 mg of K, about 7% of RDD ). And it seems western diet is poor in potassium.
4700mg recommanded, average intake 3100mg for men. And chronic diarrheas is a loss of K.


Interesting,

My inch is vitamins/aminoacid/hormons/neurotransmitors helps with the symtoms..i'm pretty convinced that we need to focus on metals/minerals if we want to have long term relief ; Fenugreek probably helped me too, I didn't know it was full of iron and copper.

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Re: Fenugreek: All Members' Trials
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2013, 07:42:42 AM »
Yes, the RDD was given for 100g of product, I'm sorry.

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My opinion is that none of us are going to be consuming enough fenugreek for the nutrient content to really matter.
I admit you are right. A teespon or some caps don't give enough nutrients to be significative.
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b_jim, do you remember how long your trial with fenugreek was? I want to know how thoroughly you
tested it

I dont remember but I still have my caps. Probably tested less than 15 days.

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My inch is vitamins/aminoacid/hormons/neurotransmitors helps with the symtoms..i'm pretty convinced that we need to focus on metals/minerals if we want to have long term relief ; Fenugreek probably helped me too, I didn't know it was full of iron and copper.
Agree.
Taurine = Anti-Pois
Suffering from lyme disease

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Re: Fenugreek: All Members' Trials
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2013, 09:48:44 AM »
Thank you for taking the time to compile all this information, Vincent! Very useful information. I hope I can make some helpful contributions of my own before too long.

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Re: Fenugreek: All Members' Trials
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2013, 11:29:07 PM »
I tried to add another fenugreek experience to this post, but it said I've exceeded the maximum allowed character length and wouldn't let me add anything more. I suppose I could put the whole summary on another site and make a link to it. I might try a google site like the one the compendium uses.

For now I guess using multiple posts in this thread would work.
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Re: Fenugreek: All Members' Trials
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2013, 02:15:44 AM »
I' m doing the very same thing mate.
It'll be ready very soon. I am actually collecting all the data and then displaying  them graphically. Check on my previous posts to see how it looks like. As for the site I think I'm 70% through.

Maybe we can work in synergy. Like are supplements.
Very very nerdy comment this one.

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After spending loads on supplements I found out that the only thing that works is abstinence. Full stop. And it's free.
Meditation if done correctly is great too.
Also avoiding computers produce faster recoveries and fewer temptations.

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Re: Fenugreek: All Members' Trials
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2013, 10:13:41 AM »
Great, poiseidon. I liked your graphic on niacin. Currently I'm using B_Jim's list of all POIS members to get links to each of our member's on nsf so it'll be easier to go back and read all the posts of a specific member if necessary. It's possible to do a search for their name, but it often doesn't work for some reason. A nice feature of poiscenter is that we already have a member list with links to each member's profile/posts that is automatically created for us. Once I have the nsf list done I'll go back and try to make a brief symptom/treatment summary for each member.
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Re: Fenugreek: All Members' Trials
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2013, 03:34:15 PM »
   Any body notice if fenugreek caused them to gain weight. Am asking because of its effect on testosterone.

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Re: Fenugreek: All Members' Trials
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2013, 08:11:28 PM »
   Any body notice if fenugreek caused them to gain weight. Am asking because of its effect on testosterone.

When I compiled the data I don't remember anyone saying it caused them to gain weight. What effect does fenugreek have on testosterone? One study I found on wikipedia said fenugreek increased libido in the test subjects and that it may have increased testosterone.

"A June 2011 study at the Australian Centre for Integrative Clinical and Molecular Medicine found that men aged 25 to 52 who took a fenugreek extract twice daily for six weeks scored 25% higher on tests gauging libido levels than those who took a placebo."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenugreek#Medicinal

"It was concluded that Testofen[fenugreek extract] demonstrated a significant positive effect on physiological aspects of libido and may assist to maintain normal healthy testosterone levels."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21312304
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Re: Fenugreek: All Members' Trials
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2013, 05:37:46 PM »
fenugreek decrease T3 levels and increase T4 levels  (thyroid hormone )

Do you know of any links to scientific studies that back this up?
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Re: Fenugreek: All Members' Trials
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2014, 10:41:07 AM »
Hi Vincent and everyone,

Just wanted to add my own experience to the fenugreek summary (thank you, Vincent, for compiling it!), especially because it has been good so far!

In France, my home country, the only fenugreek I could find after a trip to several different pharmacies was the Arkog?lules brand made by Arkopharma (a trusted name in France, also available in Belgium). The dosage in the Arkog?lules is 495mg of pure "poudre de fenugrec" per cap. A box of 45 caps cost me 5,90 euros (about 8 USD).

I didn't try masturbating right away, though, for fear that the fenugreek wouldn't work. Instead I waited to see my boyfriend on the weekend, three days later.

I wasn't sure how to take the fenugreek. About 15min AFTER orgasm (around 11pm), I swallowed 2 caps with a glass of water. An hour later, my usual POIS symptoms had not appeared as they would normally have. It alsmost felt strange. No fatigue, no flu-like symptoms, no stiff muscles (I never get the brain fog so I can't report about that here). When I woke up the next day after a 7-hour night's sleep I was still fine. Around mid-morning, though, I felt a bit tired and heavy, but nothing compared to the decrepit state I would normally have been in 12 hours after ejaculation. Things did not worsen afterwards, and the next day I was feeling perfectly well. Wow!

At that point I was impressed because the symptoms had not appeared at all for about 12 hours, and when they did it was in a very mild way (maybe 15-20%).

The following test came about 5 days later, this time in the morning. Again, I took 2 caps about 15min after O and got the exact same results! I was fine for the rest of the day and felt a mild tiredness/heaviness around 9pm.

A week later, I decided to take 1 capsule an hour before an anticipated ejaculation, and then 2 more after sex. I noticed no improvement compared to just taking 2 caps after O. What I also did, though, was to take one more cap when the symptoms surfaced, about 12 hours after. I believe it helped, but not exactly sure, maybe I should take two instead of one? I also swam several times that week and I know that helps me with POIS.

My 4th attempt was also good. I did the same thing, 1 cap an hour before, 2 after, one more later. The 3rd and 4th times, I also took 1 garlic cap after, but I don't know whether it made a difference or not. I also haven't tried the fenugreek in combination with green tea.

Fenugreek has not diminished the intensity of my orgasms so far, and the results have been consistent over 3 weeks. I still try not to ejaculate too often (I keep it to once/week) for fear that the fenugreek effect would fade away.

All in all, I can safely say that, for me, fenugreek WORKS!! I do not know how to thank the creators of this forum, as this is really a life changer for me. I just hope that it lasts! Also, I would like to give niacin a try, but that has proven difficult to find in France. The pharmacies I went to only had niacinamide so I may buy it on a US website.

Thanks for reading!