My observations/treats

[Mishlen]

Hello all!

I tell briefly about my experiences.

I've noticed that the way how i ejaculate/get orgasm affects to my symptoms.

If i am feeling tensed, anxious, worried, unsure...so on, negative feelings, it easily leads to unpleasurable sex experience. Orgasm just doesn't feel good. It feels like my mind and body missed the real orgasmic state, like "straightened some curves" to reach the goal. I call this as "bad/wrong orgasm".

Good orgasm gives me good feeling after sex and it doesn't lead to POIS, bad doesn't give good feel, it leads to POIS. Good orgasm shakes my whole body, mind loses time and space, feeling heat on my skin, maybe some tickling/numbness, feeling warm in my groins/sex organs/lower abs, just wanting to enjoy the good feel and lay on bed for a moment in euforia.

The bad orgasm isn't like this. It leaves me in tension, anxiety, bad feelings - unsatisfied.

My way to avoid this bad orgasm is trying to relax my mind, just concentrate on the pleasure, trying not to think anything, just feel it, letting my instincts do the job, not my logic mind. It usually works for me. If i come too aware what i am doing, it leads to unnecessary tension on my muscles and mind, and interferes the natural/automatic process.


More over, i have also observed my diet. I feel i have had poor protein intake. So i have increased chicken, eggs, beef, cheese more to my diet. Proteins seems to also boost my well-being (not a surprise). Also lately, i have added some liver sausage into my diet, to increase vitamin A intake. I have had problems with my skin, peeling skin, especially after orgasms. Maybe a bit early to conclude it but i am feeling that this liver sausage increases also my well-being. Not just curing my dry skin but also seems to healing my problems to have dry mucous membranes after orgasms (especially eyes). Eating of course also carrots (carotenoids -> vitamin A) but haven't noticed same effect.

I have suffered years very difficult post orgasmic symptoms, but now i am feeling that i have found ways to beat them, or at least make my life feel more normal. I don't need to fear anymore that if i ejaculate today, i am not able do anything tomorrow or even for a week. Now i am able, now i can! I can sometimes ejaculate twice a day and still not have any severe POIS symptoms. I have more energy, mind works better, feelings are quite normal, body feels usually okay or even good.


I thought this isn't cureable condition because lasted so long but luckily it isn't so.

Wishing good luck for everyone!

[Mishlen]

I am thinking, maybe it is something about sexual arousal, in my case. If i am relaxed i usually feel hornier thus also penis is stiffer. Noticed that if i take care that my penis becomes very stiff, and keep it till orgasm/ejaculation, i don't seem to have POIS much at all. Ejaculation feels different. Could it be that glans gets then better stimulation which leads someway to normal reactions in my body? Something is malfunctioning in wrong kind of orgasm. I have had arousal problems, especially keep my penis stiff.

[Daveman]

I am thinking, maybe it is something about sexual arousal, in my case. If i am relaxed i usually feel hornier thus also penis is stiffer. Noticed that if i take care that my penis becomes very stiff, and keep it till orgasm/ejaculation, i don't seem to have POIS much at all. Ejaculation feels different. Could it be that glans gets then better stimulation which leads someway to normal reactions in my body? Something is malfunctioning in wrong kind of orgasm. I have had arousal problems, especially keep my penis stiff.

I have discovered that any retro-ejaculation, back pressure or semen going back into the bladder or being held back, causes much worse POIS.

So being a "little older" sometimes it's not as "stiff" as I'd like, or if I'm not as aroused. When that happens the penetration is less, and it may even sort of
bend a little. This causes back pressure and I'm a gonner!

For a long time (before I discovered niacin) If  I concentrated, as you say, in making the orgasm clean and forcefull, I had a LOT less symptoms.

Niacin seems to make me hornier in the moment, but doesn't always guarantee total stiffness. But it doesn't seem to matter as much!

[haidcat]

Thats interesting that you say that Daveman. I believe that I have POIS, although I am not 100% sure. And I remember the exact day my problems started, was when I felt like some of my ejaculate got stuck, or shot inside my prostate/bladder. Since that day, my prostate has been swollen and that was when I was 22, I am 24 now, and POIS has put my entire life on hold.

[Daveman]

Thats interesting that you say that Daveman. I believe that I have POIS, although I am not 100% sure. And I remember the exact day my problems started, was when I felt like some of my ejaculate got stuck, or shot inside my prostate/bladder. Since that day, my prostate has been swollen and that was when I was 22, I am 24 now, and POIS has put my entire life on hold.

There's a new line of investigation in the "prostate world" about a new type of prostatis very similar to this particular problem. Where the prostate is sensitive to certain antagonists in the semen. It could be aggravated by extra internal pressures etc. which may cause the semen to actually be forced into the tissues (maybe through some injury or whatever)

I don't remember what it's called exactly, but that's the jist.

[Mishlen]

Actually, i have now concluded that i have some sort of unsync in ejaculation and orgasm. I ejaculate earlier than i really get orgasm and this turns all into hell. My body doesn't reach the orgasm state, sometimes i feel nothing, just ejaculation, sometimes some signs of orgasm but still not full orgasm. I can feel orgasm is building but before i reach it ejaculation occurs. Some sort of premature ejaculation althought it isn't time related; it may happen even after 30 min or 2 hours. If i manage "hold" ejaculation long enough to make it occur with orgasm, then things are great. By "hold" i mean not really holding because the key is to relax not tense anything.

In the end, if ejaculation and orgasm occurs same time and makes me feel satisfied, not just relieved, then i have escaped from the symptoms.

And i manage to get these two in sync by relaxation, if i manage. It is annoying that sexual things are like this, dancing on sword, it takes the fun away.

I suppose in this kind of unsync ejaculation my problem is maybe stress hormones (maybe also Prostaglandin E2) which goes up because of arousal and stimulation. If i ejaculate without orgasm, my stress hormone levels stays up and high, i suppose. My body then doesn't release endorphines, oxytocin and so on, maybe not even prolactin. Shouldn't it be so that after orgasm dopamine goes down and prolactin up? Body doesn't reach relaxation it stays in fight-or-flight state.

[b_jim]

I made some observations too.  
Probably you are right, anixety and stress levels increase Pois symptoms. In PMS stress increase symptoms of hot flash. What we call "flu-like symptoms" might be hormonal variations. Dr Waldinger didn't give datas about real measured temperature in Pois patients. I test and retest my temp during hot flash episodes, my temp looks normal. Even during sweat episodes. It might be a mistake.

Definitely, the hour of orgasm play a role in my Pois . Orgasm at morning causes more symtoms.
I more and more convinced there is a competition between digestion(insuline) and hormones like testosterone.

Proteins seems to also boost my well-being (not a surprise).

: agree
I don't want to make improper reasoning but i just want to note Hartnup disease's patients have benefits with extra-proteins diet.

A intake. I have had problems with my skin, peeling skin, especially after orgasms.

Me too and it makes me think to vitamin B3 (maybe vitamin A too).
I absolutely need to test niacine/tryptophane after orgasm.

Not easy to talk about this because it refers to pellagra which is a severe disease which permanent low levels. Not a 3 days deficiency.

Niacine is the center of gravity of a lot of elements we talk : cortisol, insuline, testosterone, progesterone, oestrogens, prostaglandins, skin problems...

[demografx]

Interesting, b_jim, regarding the testosterone-niacin connection.

[Mishlen]

I am pretty sure i have had vitamin B12 and vitamin A deficiency but i don't think niacin has anything to do with my symptoms, neither do protein. I am pretty confident i have intaken those enough. I used to suspect that i have a protein deficiency but i don't think so anymore bcause proteins did nothing to me.

B12 seems to help my mind but it isn't the solution, neither is vitamin A. I am intaking vitamin A mostly just for my eyes, cause i want improve my vision. Sure i have nothing against that it may raise a bit my testosterone levels Ah, and probably i have had also Omega-3 deficiency but i can't relate it either to my pois. Probably lack of DHA has made some damage into my eyes.

And well, i have had now again 3 successive ejaculation-orgasm, no pois. Before these, i "slipped" and got my normal symptoms (teeth&jaw pain, low motivation, dry mucosaes, brainfog, low energy, joint pains, acne (dry oily skin), physical numbness, difficulties to sleep, and so on). In 7 days 5 ejaculations, 2 first of them unsuccessful, then 3 normal, and my symptoms are now almost gone. It's magic! Now i have only some acne and bit watery/dry mucosaes, mood good, energetic, no pains.

In my case, i think it is mostly just about inflammation-stress reaction caused by altered ejaculation-orgasm process. And the inflammation could be treated by intaking things which has inflammation suppressing properties but the best option is to get right orgasm, then healing can begin.

Mysterious are the pois ways

[demografx]

Mysterious are the pois ways

[Mishlen]

Adding some thoughts here after some years. It's feeling more like my diary thought it should be in another subforum. Mods can transfer this topic to diary side if feeling so.

Never mind what i have written in previous posts, can't remember and not going to read through. Probably something similar and related. Hope so.


This is all just my speculation, maybe even utter nonsense, because i am not totally aware of all nerve functions, neurotransmitter, hormonal things and so but:

After several trials, errors, experimenting, and sensing, and pondering. I believe now my biggest problem is somewhere in lower back/pelvis/spine between L1-S5 (not necessary vertebra/disc).

Something in there is blocking some normal nerve functions/signals. Which leads to incompleted finish of normal process. Thus leading to abnormal hormonal/neurotransmitter balance.

What makes me think this way is:

If i support my body (during act) by arms so that pelvis can be pretty much clear from any pressure (toes to head direction), and thus moving really freely, i can feel amazing difference. Especially when closing and reaching the peak. It ends to real satisfaction. Not like "normally" which feels more like just discharging the pressure, leaving numb empty feeling.

So i believe that in my "normal" way the body's own stress hormone system breaks down, and some stress hormones stays in body prolonged time. Probably norepinephrine isn't clearing out normally. Causing then all kind of inflammatory symptoms, stress-like reactions. Which can be then treated by all sort of vitamins, herbs and so.

Pure guessing but maybe prolactin or endoprhines aren't secreted normally because there is so huge difference in the satisfaction. I think i read from somewhere that prolactin or endorphines are responsible to clear out stress hormones after orgasm (maybe so or not)?   And body reacts also generally different way. In supported position, body really feels it turns on, for example, heart starts bumping lot faster, breath becomes lot faster, body begins feel nice warm, nice tingling may be around. And afterwards, maybe it could be called as "afterglow" is existing. Such a good relaxed feeling.

Actually i've been thinking it's been like premature ejaculation, thought it is't really premature if it happens after like half an hour, or one hour. Premature in the way that it happens before body has reached its climax point. Thus there's ejaculation without real orgasm. Body unable to reach (full)orgasm because of a blockage.

Don't know how to get docs to check spine/nerves from lower back because i haven't any pains in there. And what they could do, i believe: nothing. However i am trying to get some things clear at doc office but i am more tempted to get appointment to a chiropactor, just should finding enough time.

[Quantum]

Hi Mishlen, and thanks for the update.

When you say you support your body by arms, do you mean your arms and shoulders are like at the top of a push-up movement, and that you rest on your knees, or on your toes ?

[Mishlen]

Hello! Just giving some update about my things althought haven't read forum so don't know what's going on with POIS things.

First of all, docs have been pretty uncooperatives, not really interested. This kind of odd things can be easily put down to "cuckoo" things.

However. I still confirm this what i said last time.

The key how i can go around with the symptoms is letting pelvis be totally relaxed during act/mb. No conscious movements. Relaxing lower body requires some effort but when it happens the pelvis thrusts and hip joints feels a lot more "fluidy", i mean with conscious movements there's sort of friction feeling but with non-conscious it disappears. Body is funny, it knows what to do if you let it to do. The pelvis thrust are very automatic if there is right kind of stimulations around. (pun not intended)

(edit: and concentration/attention need to be somewhere else than at sensation in the reproduction organs)

And what i meant about the technique...... well, to explane i need to be more graphic than i'd like to be.

Like when standing, i need a support, llke a firm table, i put my hands on the table, arms straight, i rest my body weight more on arms and on the table than on my legs, then i let my lower body relax. Another option is just use basic missionary style but i feel it bit tricky, it's more difficult be very relaxed but it provides also similar circumstances like table support.

The thing is that without support and right relaxation on pelvis, i have sort of premature ejaculation, missing orgasm, body is far from the state it should be. It feels like something is congested in body. With body support and relaxation body proceeds to correct reactions which are like -> (adrenalin stuff) heart goes faster, breath goes faster, sweating and finally ejaculation with orgasm. There is a vast difference between these!

And interestingly. I've been reminiscing my youth, teenage. During masturbation there was usually this pelvic relaxation thing (with support).  And i can recall also times when things didn't go "right". But those days i didn't pay attention it but now i know.

It could be partly pelvic floor dysfunction / tension but i feel it is probably more than that or at least not normal type of that.  As isn't it bit odd that body can't reach the normal process of ejaculation and orgasm, release the adrenalin? Could just pelvic floor problems cause things like this? I've got my doubts.

edit:
Also been bit thinking, what about urination process. Yeah surely it is sort of different than reproduction process but still even there is chemical and nerve firing. Could even urination cause some alternation to body's normal state if having problem like this? And what about just being normally, like walking or standing, could there be constantly something wrong, causing some minor adverse effects to normal state of body?

[Mishlen]

More update.

I've been thinking that actually my problem cannot even anymore called as Post-Orgasmic.
I've noticed that there's no even need of orgasm.
All problems starts if there's physical stimulation on genitals OR there's serious "mental masturbation" which causes specific things happening in reproduction system .

Especially forced erections, and edging, are bad. Natural arousal is not problem unless it relates to physical stimulation.
If there's physical stimulation, there'll be long lasting dull sensation in genital areas, pressure in prostate, low libido, and all other symptoms
i've listed in earlier posts.

Only way to correct this, is reaching right kind of orgasm, explaned earlier posts. Wrong kind of does not fix, just could even
make things worse. My guess is that body somehow does not return in to baseline, it is stuck in the arousal state.

But as i said, this isn't sort of anymore Post-Orgasmic, so i think i don't post anymore about these things.

Thanks for reading, and hopefully you people, sufferers can find the keys!