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Hopeoneday

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Neurosteroids are involwed in POIS mechanism
« on: July 11, 2019, 09:26:38 AM »
While i resarching why benzodiazapines in small doses helped
me to surviwe In POIS atac, i dicovered that Neurosteroids are
wery potent positive GABAa receptors modulators.
(mainly by Allopregnanolone , androstanediol...)

So, syntesis of neurosteroids
in brain for exemple depend from pregnelone, progesterone,
testosterone by enzyme pathways...


List of neurosteroids.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_neurosteroids



Allopregnanolone


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allopregnanolone

Allopregnanolone possesses a wide variety of effects, including,
in no particular order, antidepressant, anxiolytic, stress-reducing,
rewarding,[9] prosocial,[10] antiaggressive,[11] prosexual,
[10] sedative, pro-sleep,[12] cognitive, memory-impairment
....

Increased levels of allopregnanolone can produce paradoxical effects,
including negative mood, anxiety, irritability, and aggression.[17][18][19]

Scientists discover how neuroactive steroids dampen inflammatory
signaling in cells:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/02/190213142713.htm

I used to hawe seizures in POIS,
The conections here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4252764/


Neurosteroid Biosynthesis Upregulation in PTSD:

https://www.intechopen.com/books/anxiety-disorders/
neurosteroid-biosynthesis-upregulation-a-novel-promising
-therapy-for-anxiety-disorders-and-ptsd


Tolernace to allopregnanolone in chronic acute stress:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3031054/

Neurosteroid s’effects and mechanisms for social,
cognitive, emotional, and physical functions:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2898141/

« Last Edit: July 11, 2019, 04:14:06 PM by Hopeoneday »
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b_jim

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Re: Neurosteroids are involwed in POIS mechanism
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2019, 02:35:16 PM »
I think you are close to the truth and  GABA receptors is a key of the mystery.
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Re: Neurosteroids are involwed in POIS mechanism
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2019, 03:26:15 PM »
I think you are close to the truth and Cholesterol the pre-cursor to Neurosteroids may be playing a key role in POIS :)
POIS Free, 2+ yrs (occasional/predictive lapses)
Pois symptoms: Peripheral (Skin: Urticaria, dryness, pale blotchy skin), Exasperation of: [Nerve weakness, Muscle weakness + Mental (CNS: Brain Fog, Irritation, Isolation, Speech lethargy, Anxiety)].
Other conditions: ASD, ADD, GA

Nas

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Re: Neurosteroids are involwed in POIS mechanism
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2019, 05:51:21 PM »
Excellent post HOD, neurosteroids are definitely a strong candidate. Maybe that's why dexamethasone works for me.

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Re: Neurosteroids are involwed in POIS mechanism
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2019, 04:24:55 PM »
After 5 ejaculations, my bloodtest showed :
-normal total testosterone
- normal but low limit free testosterone
- DHEAs too high

An old bloodtest (15 years?) showed low total cholesterol out of Pois.

DHEAs too high would give me "male" symptoms : muscles, hairy strong voice... that I doen't have.
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Re: Neurosteroids are involwed in POIS mechanism
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2019, 06:11:48 AM »
My total cholesterol has always been low. You can also find members on this forum who have high levels which makes a potential link between POIS and cholesterol questionable. Are there any tests available that can verify this theory? What neurosteroid could be tested?

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Re: Neurosteroids are involwed in POIS mechanism
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2019, 08:12:00 AM »
I also like to add, are neurosteroids endogenous in the brain or do they affect the brain when produced ( outside of the nervous system )?

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Re: Neurosteroids are involwed in POIS mechanism
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2019, 10:37:58 AM »
Muon, FWIW, I’ve been on cholesterol meds (rosuvastatin calcium aka Crestor) since open heart surgery.
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Neurosteroids are involwed in POIS mechanism
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2019, 03:15:21 AM »
One contradiction with this theory is that both inhibitory and excitatory neurosteroids have benefits; the former is  anti-depressant, anti-anxiety, pro-social, pro-sleep, etc. The latter is pro-memory and pro-cognitive. This can not fit into POIS, since the majority of POISers experience both cognitive and psychological symptoms, even those who have agitation symptoms also report cognitive issues. I don't know how you can amend this contradiction since you can't have only the negative effects without the positive effects.