Free Flow Discussion about POIS

[Daveman]

You are all cured ...or maybe just all in vacation ?

Not a word in this forum for 3 days...

I've been in vacation for a week...worse vacation ever..POIS hit every single day...It's globally getting worse...No way to have relief after at least a week after O...and kinda constant POIS after....deseparating...

What about creating a section of succes story(with the rule of the 2 weeks...and even for people that have a permanent improvment of the global healh) in here...I have the feeling that when people get better, they just leave...

Yes, well,, summer is a pretty lazy time, and many have less symptoms as well in summer. I think it's as you say, the better people feel, the less they are involved.

Checking the numbers though (visits per day), we are close to normal, down in general during summer, maybe 20% but some days, even though there is no posting, people still come to have a look.

It's unfortunate that so many just watch, and don't share, but many are shy, and especially with POIS, motiviation is a problem.

But it is a very exciting time. We have some excellent options for research (I am told... don't have a clue who or what their approach is even, but I am told that we should ALL be pleased)

So hang in there!

[demografx]

Thousands of doctors practicing despite errors, misconduct:

http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2655513

[Stef]

Thousands of doctors practicing despite errors, misconduct:

http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2655513

Thank you for posting this important message, demo.

I don't understand how any physician could prescribe Oxycontin (a slow-release 12-hour morphine compound) and oxycodone (Percocet) for someone with neck pain.  Someone with that type of severe pain belongs in the Emergency Department -- being evaluated while being medicated.  

What a tragic case (young mother, three children)!

I wonder if there are websites in Europe -- or in other countries overseas -- that divulge this type of information about physicians harming patients through medical malpractice -- repeatedly.  In Europe (and possibly other countries) one can't sue a physician for malpractice.  

Does anyone know if this type of reporting takes place in Europe or other countries outside the US?

We've all got to trust our gut feelings about physicians -- even if the physician has "great credentials."  If the treatment seems too good to be true -- leave! Your life and future health could be at stake.

(I've heard from many, many patients at NORD who were inappropriately treated by physicians who should never have been trying to treat them. We featured the story about one woman who survived only because she was lucky.)

Stef

[demografx]

We've all got to trust our gut feelings about physicians -- even if the physician has "great credentials."  If the treatment seems too good to be true -- *leave! Your life and future health could be at stake.

*emphasis mine - demo

A published comment from a reader of the USA Today article:
("Thousands of doctors practicing despite errors, misconduct"):
http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2655513



"And if you see your doctor and he/she seems too busy to listen... *Run away."
*emphasis mine - demo

[Colm]

I wanted to ask Colm how his trials with niacin have gone?

Have you tried it again with the "adjusted approach"?

An update on my live trial with Niacin, here goes.

I did approach this with positive hopes and am pretty sure I followed the approaches recommended.

As I had a serious flush on the previous occasion I tried Niacin three weeks back with 200MG initial dose of flush Niacin, I was being careful. (I didn't realise last time, it was a protection during Orgasm at that point), so this was a real trial.

On Sunday, I took about 100 Mg Niacin 3.5 hrs away from food. Had no flush after 30 mins, so gradually added smaller 50 Mg amounts over each next 15 mins and began to have a flush, light to medium flush, rather than full flush.

About 30-40 mins after flush, did the deed, and unfortunately, for the last two days, I have experienced my worst POIS in a long time.

No disrespect to anyone here, as I think it is great and encouraging to see that Niacin and other things are working for others as a shield.

I have been pretty shattered last couple of days, emotionally and physically (with symptoms as described in my signature).

I will start feeling a bit better from tomorrow, but have to carry on with life as normal, but could not work yesterday.

My thoughts at this point.
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- Maybe I did something incorrect here with my Niacin dose. Maybe I needed more of a flush first?
- Maybe I need to go through a "pain barrier" with Niacin a few times to get the effect?
- Maybe my system will initially fight the effect, but then give in to it's positive impact?
- Should I persevere or try something else?

Another thought and please excuse the graphic details here...

I even started to think, as I was aware this was a trial, and as I am 54 yrs old, I did not have a full erection so therefore didn't ejaculate fully, so was thinking (at root of the problem) maybe remaining semen is poisonous to me in some way, and was wondering is this actually an allergy, an Auto-immune reaction, to my own semen, as some have spoken of.

Anyway, I am disappointed and a bit disillusioned at the moment, as this has been happening to me for so long.

Roll on some genuine research and clarity with NORD. Have been on the NSF recently and what they are discussing looks so complex, one could end up suffering from neurosis trying all that stuff, even though there is probably some value there, if I could make sense of it.

Appreciate any suggestions on the Niacin experiments. Thanks for the forum supports, as ever.

[Daveman]

I wanted to ask Colm how his trials with niacin have gone?

Have you tried it again with the "adjusted approach"?

An update on my live trial with Niacin, here goes.

I did approach this with positive hopes and am pretty sure I followed the approaches recommended.

As I had a serious flush on the previous occasion I tried Niacin three weeks back with 200MG initial dose of flush Niacin, I was being careful. (I didn't realise last time, it was a protection during Orgasm at that point), so this was a real trial.

On Sunday, I took about 100 Mg Niacin 3.5 hrs away from food. Had no flush after 30 mins, so gradually added smaller 50 Mg amounts over each next 15 mins and began to have a flush, light to medium flush, rather than full flush.

About 30-40 mins after flush, did the deed, and unfortunately, for the last two days, I have experienced my worst POIS in a long time.

No disrespect to anyone here, as I think it is great and encouraging to see that Niacin and other things are working for others as a shield.

I have been pretty shattered last couple of days, emotionally and physically (with symptoms as described in my signature).

I will start feeling a bit better from tomorrow, but have to carry on with life as normal, but could not work yesterday.

My thoughts at this point.
-----------------------------------
- Maybe I did something incorrect here with my Niacin dose. Maybe I needed more of a flush first?
- Maybe I need to go through a "pain barrier" with Niacin a few times to get the effect?
- Maybe my system will initially fight the effect, but then give in to it's positive impact?
- Should I persevere or try something else?

Another thought and please excuse the graphic details here...

I even started to think, as I was aware this was a trial, and as I am 54 yrs old, I did not have a full erection so therefore didn't ejaculate fully, so was thinking (at root of the problem) maybe remaining semen is poisonous to me in some way, and was wondering is this actually an allergy, an Auto-immune reaction, to my own semen, as some have spoken of.

Anyway, I am disappointed and a bit disillusioned at the moment, as this has been happening to me for so long.

Roll on some genuine research and clarity with NORD. Have been on the NSF recently and what they are discussing looks so complex, one could end up suffering from neurosis trying all that stuff, even though there is probably some value there, if I could make sense of it.

Appreciate any suggestions on the Niacin experiments. Thanks for the forum supports, as ever.

Hmm. well that really should have worked. A bit close to food, but since you had a flush, even a mild one, you should have had "some" relief, and not "worse than ever".

I did about 300mg, more or less in the same way as you, this last time, Monday. I had a pork rib barbeque at 3 PM and did the naicin at about 8 PM, but still felt "full" from the barbeque. Didn't really get a flush though. And the results have been medium at best.

I've come off of some REALLY good trials with Viagra, and haven't done "just naicin" for several weeks, don't know if there's something involved there.

So, food before niacin, especially if it's heavy, can have a negative impact. But from your description, you really should have had some relief.

Sorry. So far, no ONE approach is good for everyone.

You could try once more a little farther away from food, but I don't want to see someone suffering "worse POIS" either, so up to you. At least the approach was more careful. Always important!

Good research coming up.

[Colm]

Thanks Daveman,

Yes, your comments about taking Niacin on an empty stomach could be relevant here.

Although I had only a light breakfast, then waited 3.5 hours before starting the Niacin process, I had definitely a large meal taken late on the evening before. Probably explains my stomach being full and my liver still very active. 

I will wait a couple of weeks anyway and give it a second trial, but make sure I have a bigger flush, building the dose carefully.

I'll see how I get on and report back. I shall hold off on a move to Viagra for later !

[Daveman]

Thanks Daveman,

Yes, your comments about taking Niacin on an empty stomach could be relevant here.

Although I had only a light breakfast, then waited 3.5 hours before starting the Niacin process, I had definitely a large meal taken late on the evening before. Probably explains my stomach being full and my liver still very active. 

I will wait a couple of weeks anyway and give it a second trial, but make sure I have a bigger flush, building the dose carefully.

I'll see how I get on and report back. I shall hold off on a move to Viagra for later !

There could be quite a difference in the flush between 3.5 hrs wait and 6 hrs wait.
I have have one or two fairly strong flushes with only 100mg, but not excessive (like you originally had). But I usually take my niacin after about 4 hrs, and the flush if any is minimal. After 4 hours I usually have to take another 50 or 100.

Sorry about your POIS.

BTW, my last session (of Sunday night) was fairly POISy Monday. A fair bit better today. So although it wasn't as good as viagra, at least it isn't lasting long. But that was 300 mg (taken over about an hour) after heavy food 5 hrs earlier (almost no flush -- because of the busy liver I presume).

Another note. For some the B-Complex regimen works well, for me no, it made my POIS worse, like niacin did for your... so maybe the B-Complex regimen would work better for you. ??

[Colm]

Daveman,

I just wanted to clarify that my recent trial of Niacin and the poor result was not a "fair" assessment.

I had a diagnosis this week of pre-existing low blood pressure (100) yesterday, which I am pretty certain (the symptoms of this) were there before I tried the Niacin flush.

I am awaiting some blood test results tomorrow to see what's caused the low blood pressure and to resolve without any meds hopefully.

I intend to get back to Niacin trials down the line a bit.

[demografx]

This doctor prescribes Rx for POIS:

[demografx]

     
                                                                      
                                                                           "What, Me Worry?"

[Observer]

Thanks Daveman,

Yes, your comments about taking Niacin on an empty stomach could be relevant here.

Although I had only a light breakfast, then waited 3.5 hours before starting the Niacin process, I had definitely a large meal taken late on the evening before. Probably explains my stomach being full and my liver still very active. 

I will wait a couple of weeks anyway and give it a second trial, but make sure I have a bigger flush, building the dose carefully.

I'll see how I get on and report back. I shall hold off on a move to Viagra for later !

Hi Colm, I read about your first experience with Niacin. I realize that after sexual intercourse sometimes I can suffer some mild POIS. This does not happen with "self-inflicted" orgasms. Maybe you should run the other trial - with yourself and see if there is any difference. Regards.

[demografx]

Hi, Observer!

Welcome back.

[Colm]

Thanks Daveman,

Yes, your comments about taking Niacin on an empty stomach could be relevant here.

Although I had only a light breakfast, then waited 3.5 hours before starting the Niacin process, I had definitely a large meal taken late on the evening before. Probably explains my stomach being full and my liver still very active. 

I will wait a couple of weeks anyway and give it a second trial, but make sure I have a bigger flush, building the dose carefully.

I'll see how I get on and report back. I shall hold off on a move to Viagra for later !

Hi Colm, I read about your first experience with Niacin. I realize that after sexual intercourse sometimes I can suffer some mild POIS. This does not happen with "self-inflicted" orgasms. Maybe you should run the other trial - with yourself and see if there is any difference. Regards.

Thanks Observer,

Interesting point.

[Daveman]

Thanks Daveman,

Yes, your comments about taking Niacin on an empty stomach could be relevant here.

Although I had only a light breakfast, then waited 3.5 hours before starting the Niacin process, I had definitely a large meal taken late on the evening before. Probably explains my stomach being full and my liver still very active.  

I will wait a couple of weeks anyway and give it a second trial, but make sure I have a bigger flush, building the dose carefully.

I'll see how I get on and report back. I shall hold off on a move to Viagra for later !

Hi Colm, I read about your first experience with Niacin. I realize that after sexual intercourse sometimes I can suffer some mild POIS. This does not happen with "self-inflicted" orgasms. Maybe you should run the other trial - with yourself and see if there is any difference. Regards.

Thanks Observer,

Interesting point.

Colm, Observer is one of the primer niacin benefactors. He was in a documentary that aired in Australia
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1_kqIpGUYpI
and was among the first (other than Victor Kons) to have excellent results with niacin.

Observer, I am having even BETTER results with viagra (hard to believe), aside from which, you don't need to fast. It's great (at least for me) It would be interesting if you could give it a try. Look for my posts on it, and follow the dosages etc.

[Colm]

Thanks Daveman,

Yes, your comments about taking Niacin on an empty stomach could be relevant here.

Although I had only a light breakfast, then waited 3.5 hours before starting the Niacin process, I had definitely a large meal taken late on the evening before. Probably explains my stomach being full and my liver still very active.  

I will wait a couple of weeks anyway and give it a second trial, but make sure I have a bigger flush, building the dose carefully.

I'll see how I get on and report back. I shall hold off on a move to Viagra for later !

Hi Colm, I read about your first experience with Niacin. I realize that after sexual intercourse sometimes I can suffer some mild POIS. This does not happen with "self-inflicted" orgasms. Maybe you should run the other trial - with yourself and see if there is any difference. Regards.

Thanks Observer,

Interesting point.

Colm, Observer is one of the primer niacin benefactors. He was in a documentary that aired in Australia
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1_kqIpGUYpI
and was among the first (other than Victor Kons) to have excellent results with niacin.

Observer, I am having even BETTER results with viagra (hard to believe), aside from which, you don't need to fast. It's great (at least for me) It would be interesting if you could give it a try. Look for my posts on it, and follow the dosages etc.

Appreciate that update and the link to the Australian video on POIS with Observer's Niacin piece and Dr. Waldinger Dutch experiments.

[demografx]

A typical morning in-POISer?

[Chris]

Haha..Something like that!

[demografx]

A typical morning in-POISer?

Haha..Something like that!

[Daveman]

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