Do I have P.O.I.S.?

[Chris]

quick little update. My POIS or PFS came back in November and I tried some further things. I made the decision to abstain vor 6 weeks and followed the regime of the book "the ultramind solution" which meant a diet without any artificial sugar, gluten, processed food etc... Plus I took some high quality vitamins and a lot of omega 3 foods etc. I also took maca root what is known for achieving a hormonal balance. Since my mental state and my physical health improved a lot I decided to stay abstinent longer than 6 weeks. I managed to abstain for 5 months. I also started taking some amino acids like l-arginine and lglutamine. Then i decided to give it another try and after the first orgams in months I didnt get the mental problems as before. Even on the day after nothing happend. I still felt a coldness in my body but that was all. I always considered myself healed if I could have an orgams evry 2 days without symptoms afterwards. That little coldness afterwards was no problem. Meanwhile I managed to have Os on two following days and it was no problem. Sometimes I feel dizzy after an O. This is still strange and this is still a state of brainfog but it doesnt last for long and I just feel tired for 2 hours, than it is  gone. A day after an O I feel good - although there is still this coldness in my legs. Maybe on those days I am not as tolerant to stress as usual - but I am not depressed or anxious...

My question is, do you guys experience this coldness too? Do you have an idea whats the cause of it? Did you try any amino acids or hormone balancing substances like Maca?

Yes, i get cold pretty much after an orgasm.So, i always were something extra on me.My suggestion is not to overdo it with orgasms.You are in a good shape now,as i realise,so keep it that
way.

[Pois 2011]

I have the POIS symptoms since 2011. When it started the symptoms where pretty heavy and almost unbearable.  This improved with the help of niacin and some other things I tried like some fitness regime  and diets. Maybe time simply improved the state or the fact that I remain abstinent for at least 1 week.
Now my state is stagnating. Now and then I try a supplement or a medicament when I think it makes sense ? but I couldn?t find a cure.
In my case to live almost abstinent is simple math and I have to decide how I wanna feel. I need 3 days to recover. If I would have an O every 7 days I would have 3 days where I would feel sick. So almost every half of the week I would feel sick. So mostly I have breaks of at least 14 days.
Usually my symptoms start like 20 minutes afterwards. I get a little dizzy and numb. Not too hard to deal with ? it is just a state where I am feeling dumb. If I watch a film I have problems to concentrate on it. It is really hard to read. I have to really focus to get the information into my brain. But this is pretty much it? So just a little stupidity? Usually in the night I would wake up and have problems to get back to sleep.
Next day I remain in that stupid state. I have memory problems.  I have problems remembering names and other stuff. I am usually brainfogged, feel a little dizzy, a little pressure in the forehead ? maybe sinusitis related.  I freeze easily when a window is open but I sweat fast too. My heart is racing. I have to drink a lot and I pee a lot. My urethra burns a little, my balls and my penis tend to shrink a bit. At work I am very slow, though if I really focus I can be quicker. At my workplace we have a ping pong table.  I play almost every day and I am actually pretty good. On a day after an O I cant hit the table as I used too. On those days I lose against  players I usually win every time. I do a lot of mistakes and get dizzy doing that. I have the feeling that my body and mind connection is kind of disturbed.
On the first day afterwards I am more numb, more slow and cant remember but I can be creative too. Not every part of my self is totally influenced by an O. I can be funny and happy too. The usual state is numbness but on normal 1 day afters  I at least can get in an okay state and it usually gets better the later the day? I think I am very sensible to the stimulations that I face on those days. In scary situations I am more scared than on normal days. If I am not tapping stressful situation I don?t feel that nervous.
The next night I usually have difficulties too get to sleep. My legs are pretty restless and are tingeling.
The less sleep causes feeling weak and more nervous but I am less numb. The night after I sleep better and next morning I feel a little better but seem to have some anger issues. I tend to complain a lot in an aggressive way.
Day 4 I am usually back to normal.
2 Os at  night seem not to make it worse. More frequent Os seem to make it worse. It feels like if I have the harm after an o  it isn?t getting worse but if I?d have an O in the 3 days of POIS symptoms my body hadn?t had the time to recover and gets another hit of whatever?

Doctors I visited mostly thought it is a mental thing. I don?t believe it is psychosomatic because now and then I had thought to have found some kind of solution of some kind but there was no placebo effect which would have occurred.
Sometimes the POIS Symptoms aren?t even that bad. When I am mostly just in a stupid state and have to pee a little more ? this isn?t a state to be afraid of. It is just stupidity. So I cannot even say that I am talking myself into a fear state before or right after an o ? So I don?t see a psychological cause at all ? since so many body functions are involved.
So now 5 years into this shit I still have no clue what it is. It is an allergic reaction? Maybe yes. I tried some anti histamines ? it didn?t work. Maybe I took the wrong things. But I don?t know.
I read something about the vagus nerve and its relations to inflammation etc. I think it could be more related to that. As I experience it, this is some  bladder, stomach brain connection kind of problem.

[Quantum]

Hi Dan,

Thanks for the update.  I have read this thread from the beginning - last time it has been active I had not found this forum yet.

I have read that, when you first have found this forum in 2012, niacin have been efficient for you.  So I guess that after taking it daily for a while, it has stopped to be efficient.

I think also that those who have long term results with niacin take it only before O, and in small to moderate dose, and not on a daily basis, like to not "wear off" the effect of niacin  ( I do the same with the supplements I take, I take them only before O, not on a daily basis, even if I am not taking niacin).  Would it have some benefits for you if you take niacin only before O , in moderate dose ?

Also, like in my case, I think that even when we have found some supplements preventing most of the POIS symptoms, more than 1 to 2 Os a week on a regular basis is too much for a POIS sufferer and for any currently known method to prevent and control POIS symptoms.  I read about your goal of an O every two days, but I do not think anyone have achieve this and not having POIS symptoms back in any way.  Personally, at 1 O a week or every 5 days, it's usually ok with my current method.

[Pois 2011]

Hi Quantum!
Thanks for your reply! I did that whole Niacin flushing for a while. I thought this could lead to a kind of detoxification. I experimented with alot of other things for example with L Argine, which also has a flushing compoment, but it can make your breath getting real short. Some day I was pretty sick of all those experiments. My body didnt feel good by doing those and the POIS symptoms werent noticably better. So I stopped it and the symptoms didnt get worse.  Some time after I stopped taking Niacin I tried it again  - on an empty stomach but it just made me feel sick or weak. It just didnt feel right. Now and then I still try having the O while flushing but I dont notice any difference. So at least for me Niacin doesnt do any good for me anymore. I also had a theorie of having lighter symptons when I have a full stomach when having an O - because I think it is kind of stomach and gut related. That theory was the total opposite of the empty stomach/flushing regime...
For now I dont have any supplement that makes my symptoms a little better. I think a little Yoga or stretching, some breathing excercises or things like that help me the most. I keep searching for a solution. If I see a promising thing in a forum I will try it but until now i dont have anything that really helps. But I have to admit the POIS days arent hell anymore as they used to be. I can live with it or for now I have to live with it...

[Quantum]

Hi Dan,  great to hear that your POIS is not as hard on you as before.  Yoga and stretching are good for stress management.  Regular exercise is also helping to cope with POIS, like many members have shared, including myself.  I cannot train every day, it would be too much, but 2 to 3 times a week of badminton or tennis is good for me.

You talk about a relation between guts, stomach, and POIS.  Some members have seen improvement when treating their Leaky guts syndrome, or SIBO, or gluten intolerance.  If inflammation is part of POIS pathophysiology, than having a chronic source of inflammation in the guts will only amplify the POIS acute phase.  In my own case, a very healthy diet, and good probiotics ( including stains of of both bifidobacterium, and Lactobacillus) have been very beneficial for my health in general, and also in lowering the duration and severity of my POIS symptoms.

 

[Pois 2011]

Hi Quantum!

I appreciate your answers! I really did a lot of things on my search for a cure. I already did a lot of experiments with diets, like paleo or Alkline diet. The Paleo diet I tried for several months. In these months I was also 100 abstinent. But at the end it didnt change much. Directly after the Paleo months I ate as bad as possible to see if this would change something. I drank a lot of coke and ate a lot of pizza and french fries and it didnt make me feel worse either. I mean I always felt horrible after an Mc Donalds meal and always felt better after eating a good salat but the overall state in those bad diet weeks wasnt much different. But usually I try to eat quiet healthy.

Regarding the gut theory I tried probiotics and some seeds for digestion and some other supllements but I didnt find something that helped... I also tried coffee enemas for some weeks. Yeah I tried a lot ;-)

Maybe of all the things I tried maybe some things at least helped a little so I am better than I was 4 years ago but on the other hand I dont have the feeling my condition continues to improve.

But I?ll keep checking the POIS sites for solutions and I am open to try new things if they make sense...