Author Topic: How many 'o's can you have per month/week with Vit. B or your pre-pack?  (Read 3938 times)

Michael218

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Hi there. For people that have had success with their Vitamins, how many times can you release each week or month and still be POIS free? Can you specify which Vitamins you take and how severe your POIS is so we can relate our POIS to yours?

Thanks for your help.

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HI Michael,

You already know about the composition of my pre-pack.


About frequency, once every two weeks is fine, once a week is still ok, but at least 4 days between releases is needed for safety, if I work or have things to do.

However, even when on vacation, I prefer not to go under this absolute minimum of 4 days between releases, because even if I don't feel much symptoms after a release when I took my pre-pack correctly, I use to have 2 to 3 days of severe POIS symptoms, and if I have another release during this period, it looks like it' too much, and add up to some "unseen" POIS remains in my physiology, and I then have some symptoms, even if I took my pre-pack before a second release in 3 days. 

Also, im ny case, I have to take into account my tennis or badminton... exercise can worsen or facilitate my POIS, and I prefer keep my two times of sport each week, so I don't push for more releases a week.
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Very interesting Quantum, thanks a lot for that. Really helpful to know your experience. Given that I also have 2-3 days of severe POIS, I'll base my prevention plan on your experience for now.

Curious - did you ever try the other B's? I recall you tried Niacin without any success. Did you ever try the other B's like 1, 6, 12?

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I have developed my pre-pack in the 4 to 6 months after having found this forum.  Obviously I have tried niacin, because of so many members here having good results with it.  Some early versions of my pre-pack included niacin.  It was quite positive has a result, but no better than other pre-pack versions without niacin, so considering the flush, and considering I had to time with meal, it was added complexity that other pre-pack versions did not have, so i let go of niacin.   

Also, afterward, my current pre-pack was developed around my hypothesis on POIS pathophysiology, so, as I made research on the IDO and TDO enzymes, and their immune upregulation leading to excitotoxicity, and the production of pro-inflammatory cytokines, and the tryptophane use, and so on, I have chosen my pre-pack elements accordingly, and searched for natural products to act as TDO inhibitors, IDO inhibitors, NMDA receptors inhibitors to block excitotoxicity, antioxidants against pro-inflammatory cytokines, and so on.

B-complex may have been of help, but no part of my hypothesis lead me to include them in my pre-pack.  And, once I got to a pre-pack composition that was consistently efficient, after 6 months of "development" and trials, I just stopped at that and keep on with the good results ( and it is still effective after over 2 years).

B-complex could have a role in the days after release when my pre-pack has not blocked 100% of symptoms.  I have used them before, they give me a good boost in energy, but only if using them from time to time ( for me, when used daily, they stop to work after a few weeks).  But, nowadays, I have turned to green smoothies and highly healthy diet to get all the viatamins I need, even what's not even studied by science ( I trust nature itself on that, in bringing through good food allthe necessary nutriments .... and nutrition scinece confirms that )


About your prevention plan, it's hard to tell if things could be the same for you, but abstaining during your "phantom phase" of POIS, when blocked with your pre-pack, seems to be a safe approach for sure, when you really want to stay away form any POIS symptoms.

It is sometime hard to keep that much discipline in a relationship context, but I have discussed this with my spouse, and she knows about the fact that I need at least 4 days between release - it is important to set things clear with your spouse and agree, and "collaborate" in order to maintain optimal "timing" of releases.  She do not like at all the "anxious madman" I become when in POIS, and appreciate my 'normal' self, so she easily agrees with this way of doing things. 


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I am on a simplified version of Quantum's pre-pack for a year now, and it works very well. I am in my late-30s, and I can have 4-5 'o's per week without symptoms that affect my life. But I keep my 'o' frequency to be 1-2 per week, just not enough time in my life to do 'o' every other day.

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Hi Romies, I am glad to hear that you still have very good control over your symptoms.  You were one of the first members to inspire its own relieve method from my pre-pack method, and I didn't realize that already one year have passed.   

In my case, it's been 2 years, now, of relief ( not always 100%, but very consistent, and very high percentage).  My quality of life have made a quantum jump  (  pun intended ;)  )  form that moment on.

You have better results still than I have, I wouldn't have 4 releases a week.  But yet, again, I am 52 years old, that must be one of the reasons....hahaha...
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Well, my quality of life had the quantum leap because of you. Thanks again!

I wonder if part of the difference has to do with my use of Celecoxib.

1. Celecoxib seems to be safest NSAID for mast cell activation syndrome people. Naproxen does trigger mast cell activation in many people:
http://www.aaaai.org/ask-the-expert/mastocytosis-NSAID

2. Celecoxib blocks ALOX-5.

I once had 3 O's in one night in the past 6 months, and had minimum POIS symptoms afterwards on the pre-pack + Celecoxib.

When I don't take Celecoxib, I occasionally will have some minor POIS symptoms, more in line with what you experienced.

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Interesting, Romies.   I could try and exchange my occasional Naprosyn for Celebrex, and see what results I get.  I do not take Naprosyn every time, though, just when I have something important the day after and cannot afford any POIS symptoms.   And as anyone could notice, I am very found of natural products and tend to avoid any non-natural ingredients, but I am not closed to a very occasional use.

I will report my results when I will have tried celecoxib.

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