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My Experience with Viagra
« on: August 26, 2013, 08:43:25 AM »
I waited out the 3 week rule for this, and I'm glad I did, because the "ride" has been variable, but seems to have finally stabilized.

I needed to work with Viagra because, well, I'm 64 and "need support". However there is a problem in that Viagra isn't very compatible with niacin, the only thing that has worked for me till now.

My first experiments tried to see how I could use both, working out means of resolving the "incompatibilities".

So first off the incompatibilities (at least for me) weren't what were suggested through internet. Principally it indicates that niacin could lower blood pressure too much in combination with viagra.

Anyways, I took it real easy, half minimum dose (50mg is minimum size of pills, which I cut in half to 25mg) and taking only 25mg of niacin under the tongue in steps once the initial flush of viagra had passed.

One thing and another, about the second trial, I took about 75mg of niacin too quickly and too close to the flush of viagra and got the heaviest niacin flush I had ever had, PLUS the adverse effects of viagra were accentuated. This uncomfortable experience lasted about 45 minutes.

So from then on, I am very careful with the niacin, and even eat a small sandwich about 20 minutes before taking the niacin. So far I haven't taken any more than about 50mg niacin.... not even sure if I need it. That will be a next step.

So the results!!

Viagra works better for me than the niacin did! I just finished a niacin only test, the usual procedure, and I actually have a little more POIS (which is still not very much) than with the viagra.

Niacin always leaves some of the physical symptoms, like sore joints or neck.

Viagra was a little less effective initially, but after about 4 or 5 weeks, it's begun to work much better. The last two sessions, I have to say that I began to feel that I don't have POIS anymore. But my last niacin session, just last night showed me that POIS is still there.

I don't have to fast beforehand, I have less (to zero) POIS, and my wife is happier.

Please everybody, if you decide to try this, be very careful. Check with your doctor, start with small doses of everything, and perhaps, don't even do niacin with the viagra. Give it about 4 weeks to "settle in". Be aware of all of the potential side effects of viagra.

If you HAVE to do naicin with the viagra, DON't take more than 50mg, take it AFTER the viagra flush passes. Eat a small sandwich before taking the niacin.

Please don't skip any steps, start carefully, and remember. This is my experience. It may not be at all the same with you.
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Re: My Experience with Viagra
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2013, 01:40:45 PM »

If you HAVE to do naicin with the viagra, DON't take more than 50mg, take it AFTER the viagra flush passes. Eat a small sandwich before taking the niacin.


This suggests that Viagra initiates a flushing effect?
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Re: My Experience with Viagra
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2013, 01:52:12 PM »

If you HAVE to do naicin with the viagra, DON't take more than 50mg, take it AFTER the viagra flush passes. Eat a small sandwich before taking the niacin.


This suggests that Viagra initiates a flushing effect?
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Yes, but the viagra flush is much milder than the niacin flush. The face gets red, but you don't feel the burn like with niacin.

Be real careful, because they both exaggerate each other. The viagra makes the niacin flush MUCHm ore potent, and he niacin accentuates the viagra side effects.

I'm going to try without any niacin, I don't really like mixing them. If I keep the amounts low and "buffer" with a little food, it helps to reduce side effects.

Viagra has worked very well for me in reducing (practically eliminating ) POIS symptoms.

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Re: My Experience with Viagra
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2013, 04:13:52 PM »
Thanks Daveman
Is this the first documented case of Viagra relieving POIS? For those young males out there this could be slightly problematic from what I have heard about Viagra as it may be very difficult get rid of erection even after ejaculating. If stuck with a throbbing erection I'm sure there could be a desire to shoot for a 2nd time in one session which would escalate POIS symptoms. Although I have not tried Viagra yet so I'm only speculating. I have asked a UK based reliable online chemist if there is an issue taking Progesterone (norithisterone) with Viagra.
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Re: My Experience with Viagra
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2013, 04:41:53 PM »
Thanks Daveman
Is this the first documented case of Viagra relieving POIS? For those young males out there this could be slightly problematic from what I have heard about Viagra as it may be very difficult get rid of erection even after ejaculating. If stuck with a throbbing erection I'm sure there could be a desire to shoot for a 2nd time in one session which would escalate POIS symptoms. Although I have not tried Viagra yet so I'm only speculating. I have asked a UK based reliable online chemist if there is an issue taking Progesterone (norithisterone) with Viagra.
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There was a lot of discussion about it on NSF.

The dosage is low, they don't even make pills of 25mg, you have to cut one of 50mg in half.

That might vary a bit, but it's always safer to start low and work up.

Yes, prolonged erections are even dangerous, 4hrs or more and you can provoke gangrene. Of course not a problem for me.

From what I've read, that many young people who take it, overdo it, take it more recreationally. To be able to be with it all night. Be a raging stud. Under those circumstances, yes.... not the best idea, especially for us who, as you say, may be tempted to tear off another one. Uff, I don't even want to think about 2 in a row.

With niacin, I could do once a week. With viagra, I can do twice a week, although I'm not sure if I could sustain that.

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Re: My Experience with Viagra
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2013, 05:15:17 AM »
Interesting...again it's linked to vasoconstriction/vasodilation like pretty much every supplements we have been talking about here ...Maybe Slavrs is not that wrong

Not sure we need to focus that much in root cause...the root cause could be genetic for exemple


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Re: My Experience with Viagra
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2013, 06:39:49 AM »
Interesting...again it's linked to vasoconstriction/vasodilation like pretty much every supplements we have been talking about here ...Maybe Slavrs is not that wrong

Not sure we need to focus that much in root cause...the root cause could be genetic for exemple



I would have supported Slvars more, if he hadn't insisted that there is no root cause, for a real cure, it is VITAL to attack the root cause.

The root cause is what causes the vasoconstriction/vasodilation (for a good majority) in the first place. By regulating the vasoconstriction/vasodilation we reduce the symptoms but remember, we are fighting against a root cause. Their program is still very young they don't know the longer term effects ( 1 to 5 years) of this internal fight.

And my biggest concern is reflected completely in your question:
If we can get relief form these guys, WHY do we need to find a root cause?

1) You are fighting your system. It is failing, and all your efforts are turned to relieve the symptoms but it is still failing. Like taking an disenflamatories for a herniated disk or something. You don't feel the pain, so you don't bother to "take it easy" and only damage the herniated disk more.
2) You feel better, so don't bother to fix the root cause.
3) You are tied to a specialized group more interested in keeping you around for as long as they can, and of which there is only one in the world, rather than being able to connect to the medical community directly, who, aware of the root cause can treat the problem ( at the root) by themselves. This is our principal goal, to make the reason and cause known and accepted by the medical community proper.

Aren't we fed up with the lack of medical knowledge over this problem?

Are you content to be tied (at what cost?) to a unique and solitary source of relief? Yes they refer you doctors to prescribe or regulate your treatment, but the doctor will be generally ignorant of the underlying problem.... remember atypical vascular restriction is NOT the underlying problem. And still many will resist treating if they feel they don't know the underlying cause.

And for a good reason! They don't know what damage it could be doing to your system. Your system wants to do one thing (it's broken) and you are forcing to do another. That will take it's toll. With any luck the system will eventually, or continually fight the supposed remedies, making them ineffective. That's exactly what the "consultants" like to see, it means ongoing adjustments, you need them.

But the continual attempt of the system to fight the "remedies", is it's way of saying "Hey give me a break, I'm sick here". And if  you have any sense, you'll look for the correct treatment.

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Re: My Experience with Viagra
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2013, 07:17:59 AM »
Interesting...again it's linked to vasoconstriction/vasodilation like pretty much every supplements we have been talking about here ...Maybe Slavrs is not that wrong

Not sure we need to focus that much in root cause...the root cause could be genetic for exemple



There are solutions for genetic failures (which I believe in any case is very unlikely) and auto-immune failures (that's my bet).

Even if the root cause is something that doesn't have a direct solution, knowing what it is allows finding a generalized solution that the medical community acknowledges and can treat, without the help of our special friends.

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Re: My Experience with Viagra
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2013, 08:17:18 AM »
These guys may be more appropriate for people with similar afflictions, but which haven't begun professional research, or which know they don't have a root cause.

They would even be useful for us "in the meantime". A fear there however is that when one feels better, they just stop looking.... until!

Syndromes can have multiple root causes, one may be for POIS, another may be for  CFS etc. and yet others within the same syndrome group may not have any root cause.

We are confident that POIS has a single root cause. And at the very least we will shed real medical light on the subject.

Stay tuned!  :)
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Re: My Experience with Viagra
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2013, 02:58:19 PM »
am confused.
Daveman are you saying viagra alone works for you like levitra helped demo or do you have to combine it with niacin.
Do you know if there is a relationship between niacin and viagra, you said viagra increased your flush.
Viagra was researched for blood pressure and niacin is used for heart problems right.

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Re: My Experience with Viagra
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2013, 03:23:10 PM »
am confused.
Daveman are you saying viagra alone works for you like levitra helped demo or do you have to combine it with niacin.
Do you know if there is a relationship between niacin and viagra, you said viagra increased your flush.
Viagra was researched for blood pressure and niacin is used for heart problems right.

I haven't tried viagra by itself, but I really take very little niacin (50mg).

In some of my first attempts, the viagra (taken first) seemed to make the niacin flush  10 times stronger than it would have been for the dose. The second test I took a little more than 50mg of niacin, on a completely empty stomach, and the flush was extremely strong. Also the niacin made the viagra side effects (visual efects, and head pressure) stronger. So I was very casutious from there on in. Always eating a sandwich about 30 min before taking the niacin, and taking the 50mg in two 25mg doses. This way there doesn't seem to be any adverse effects.

I really couldn't tell you though if the niacin has any effect at this point on the POIS reduction. Maybe soon I'll test without niacin. My feeling is that in such low doses it doesn't have much effect, and everything is attributed to the viagra.

I remind you that it seemed to take about 3 sessions for the viagra to stabilize where I had very excellent results.

Initially (in my case) day one had NO POIS, day 2 had medium POIS and day three and beyond NO POIS.

Now it gives about 98% relief. Better than niacin. With niacin, I always had joint pains and swelling, to some extent.

With viagra I get a face flush, but not over the whole body like niacin.

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Re: My Experience with Viagra
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2013, 03:53:36 AM »
am confused.
Daveman are you saying viagra alone works for you like levitra helped demo or do you have to combine it with niacin.
Do you know if there is a relationship between niacin and viagra, you said viagra increased your flush.
Viagra was researched for blood pressure and niacin is used for heart problems right.

They are both patent vasodilators...effect might combine for better efficiency...it could indicate that POIS is du to an abnormal vasoconstriction mecanism subsequent to orgasm

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Re: My Experience with Viagra
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2013, 06:28:09 AM »
Very interesting topic ....

Can i take viagra can vaigra give me good sex and lower the pois symptoms pls guide .....
pls don't expose me.
AFTER SEX/MASTERBATION (FLU LIKE SYMPTOMS)
1)BACK NECK PAIN GOES TO DOWN SPINE
2)NERVES LIKE SQUEEZED OUT
3)MORNING FEET NERVES PAIN
4)NASAL INFLAMMATION
5)BRAIN FOG
6)DEPRESSION
7)HIGH SUGAR LEVELS (TRIED INSULIN FOR 1 YEAR MAKE ME MORE SICK

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Re: My Experience with Viagra
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2013, 08:14:46 AM »
am confused.
Daveman are you saying viagra alone works for you like levitra helped demo or do you have to combine it with niacin.
Do you know if there is a relationship between niacin and viagra, you said viagra increased your flush.
Viagra was researched for blood pressure and niacin is used for heart problems right.

They are both patent vasodilators...effect might combine for better efficiency...it could indicate that POIS is du to an abnormal vasoconstriction mecanism subsequent to orgasm

In my case the effect "Overcombined". My next test will be without the niacin.

It could well be that the viagra and or niacin work because they influence the vasoconstriction mechanism. That' something that has been proposed here and on NSF for some time.
And it's great for those of us for whom it works.

Now we just need to find out why we have an abnormal vasoconstricition  response to orgasm. There have got to be hundreds of possibilities, and just about as many different afflictions.
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Re: My Experience with Viagra
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2013, 08:20:24 AM »
Very interesting topic ....

Can i take viagra can vaigra give me good sex and lower the pois symptoms pls guide .....

There's only one person qualified to say if you can safely take viagra, and that's your doctor.

Once he determines whether it is safe for you and provides you with a perscription, then you may be able to see if it helps your POIS.

Please, be careful with the dosage. START WITH one half of a 50mg pill (25mg).

It doesn't need much.... and a greater dose might not even work (for POIS)!

Often doses for POIS are different than the dosage prescribed for the ailments usually intended for a substance.



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Re: My Experience with Viagra
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2013, 05:31:27 PM »
am confused.
Daveman are you saying viagra alone works for you like levitra helped demo or do you have to combine it with niacin.
Do you know if there is a relationship between niacin and viagra, you said viagra increased your flush.
Viagra was researched for blood pressure and niacin is used for heart problems right.

They are both patent vasodilators...effect might combine for better efficiency...it could indicate that POIS is du to an abnormal vasoconstriction mecanism subsequent to orgasm

In my case the effect "Overcombined". My next test will be without the niacin.

It could well be that the viagra and or niacin work because they influence the vasoconstriction mechanism. That' something that has been proposed here and on NSF for some time.
And it's great for those of us for whom it works.

Now we just need to find out why we have an abnormal vasoconstricition  response to orgasm. There have got to be hundreds of possibilities, and just about as many different afflictions.


viagra  causes facial flushing, that will explain the enhanced flushing you experienced. I try to find why viagra causes flushing but all i can get were opinions that vasolidation itself causes the facial flush. 
may be looking into using vasolidator that does not cause flushing through pgd2 and serotonin like niacin does will explain alot.

Slavr website's  goal is to find the cause of vasoconstriction but that diagnostic list looks expensive and he did not provide evidence that those things cause vasoconstriction.

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Re: My Experience with Viagra
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2013, 07:28:35 PM »
am confused.
Daveman are you saying viagra alone works for you like levitra helped demo or do you have to combine it with niacin.
Do you know if there is a relationship between niacin and viagra, you said viagra increased your flush.
Viagra was researched for blood pressure and niacin is used for heart problems right.

They are both patent vasodilators...effect might combine for better efficiency...it could indicate that POIS is du to an abnormal vasoconstriction mecanism subsequent to orgasm

In my case the effect "Overcombined". My next test will be without the niacin.

It could well be that the viagra and or niacin work because they influence the vasoconstriction mechanism. That' something that has been proposed here and on NSF for some time.
And it's great for those of us for whom it works.

Now we just need to find out why we have an abnormal vasoconstricition  response to orgasm. There have got to be hundreds of possibilities, and just about as many different afflictions.


viagra  causes facial flushing, that will explain the enhanced flushing you experienced. I try to find why viagra causes flushing but all i can get were opinions that vasolidation itself causes the facial flush.  
may be looking into using vasolidator that does not cause flushing through pgd2 and serotonin like niacin does will explain alot.

Slavr website's  goal is to find the cause of vasoconstriction but that diagnostic list looks expensive and he did not provide evidence that those things cause vasoconstriction.

It's very complicated, CertainlyPOIS, Their goal is to find the cause of the vasoconstriction for each individual.
They claim there is no root cause, that is, that there is no one cause of the vasoconstriction for all, that the v/d follows a different mechanism for each person (or maybe group of persons). And the latter could well be true. But the former is NOT.

Their research is very superficial. I'm sure they don't feel that way of course, having put in whatever it is they have put in, but they just haven't scratched deep enough. The "machine", the human body, particularly in the area where POIS is involved is extremely complex.

What they may be able to determine (and nobody really knows yet if they can)  with those thousands $$ of medical tests is through what chains of processes your vasoconstriction occurs, and try to break the chains. Something that several have been fooling with in the same non-professional way on NSF for some time now. Let's say they find your solution (for example), just like niacin or B-Complex or fenugreek, it won't be workable for others. So you go home, happy, but the rest of the world goes without.

We know that niacin "breaks the chains", but we aren't going around changing the name of the condition and claiming we've found the panacea for POIS.

What they are missing, is that something specific makes US with POIS, (not CFS or adrenal fatigue or anything else) have an atypical response to sexual stimulation. They confine it to vasodilation/vasoconstriction, but aside from their nice graphs, there's nothing to show that vasodilation/vasoconstriction is the complete extent of the problem,  nor near the root.

I'd venture a guess that something like the flue or a cold (examples) but any number of things could cause a similar sensitivity in the vascular system. They are ameliorating a symptom.


If what they are trying to do is use your money for research to find a root cause, YOU ALL HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT. You are going to put even MORE money into research guided by lay-persons, to do something that is already being undertaken by TOP MEDICAL EXPERTS IN THE WORLD. AND WHICH WILL BE SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED AT POIS.

Mixing it in with a bag of worms for a half dozen other infermities doesn't help the matter at all. If anything it takes the focus off of the solution for POIS.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2013, 08:33:46 PM by demografx »
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Re: My Experience with Viagra
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2013, 11:28:14 AM »
Prescription is no problem , here doctors dont care .... Lol !!
I am thinking to take 25 mg or even less , !!!
pls don't expose me.
AFTER SEX/MASTERBATION (FLU LIKE SYMPTOMS)
1)BACK NECK PAIN GOES TO DOWN SPINE
2)NERVES LIKE SQUEEZED OUT
3)MORNING FEET NERVES PAIN
4)NASAL INFLAMMATION
5)BRAIN FOG
6)DEPRESSION
7)HIGH SUGAR LEVELS (TRIED INSULIN FOR 1 YEAR MAKE ME MORE SICK

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Re: My Experience with Viagra
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2018, 06:55:19 AM »
I would like to confirm that one Spanish POIS sufferer is blocking his POIS symptoms after an Orgasm by using Viagra (under medical prescription).

I think there might be a relationship between POIS and vasodilation/blood flow to the penis during ejaculation.

This could explain why it works to stimulate the glans directly/niacin/Viagra and even other remedies such as Fenugreek. These methods greatly enhance the blood flow to the urinary tract/genitals. Why are they blocking POIS symptoms?

PS. The only symptom they don't block is the bowel/gut issues. The first "visit to the toilet" after an Orgasm is always complicated in my case (not plain diarrhea, but you can notice that something is not going on really well!)

« Last Edit: January 15, 2018, 07:07:37 AM by Observer »

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Re: My Experience with Viagra
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2018, 04:22:23 PM »
Soon after the forums began in 2007, I had some good symptomatic POIS relief with Viagra (competitor Levitra brand instead). But eventually it stopped working.

If you’re anything like me, be careful with Viagra & heart conditions! (I had a bypass soon after, but not saying it’s necessarily cause & effect).


« Last Edit: January 15, 2018, 04:30:57 PM by demografx »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business