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Re: Latest Ideas on NE Avoidance
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2016, 09:25:32 PM »
Does anyone have any other suggestions for preventing NE's? I'm desperate...
Also can I get an update on the monster energy drinks with taurine? People still using that?

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Re: Latest Ideas on NE Avoidance
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2016, 12:10:04 PM »
Hi Neutral,

I recently realized that the disinhibiting effect of alcohol may lead to a NE.

As already mentioned, it is best to avoid arousing thoughts from viewing an erotic movie sequence or from viewing sexy pictures, or just seeing an attractive woman on the street, but it is not always possible to avoid.

If you add to that some wine or some beer, you raise the probabilities of having a NE, because of the well known disinhibiting effect of alcohol on human drives.  And I take only very small amount of alcohol, like half a glass, but it is enough for having a psychological effect  ( I have noticed for a long time that I dream much more when I have taken some alcohol).

Anybody else have noticed this effect with alcohol ?

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Re: Latest Ideas on NE Avoidance
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2016, 07:58:26 AM »


Hi SuperSam, Thanks for your reply. This will help those interested to figure out if it's worth a try for themselves.

You wrote about having lesser form of POIS with lower levels of sexual stimulation.  You are not the only member here experiencing this.  Some members will have symptoms from prostatic fluid release (pre-cum), some members will have symptoms even if a very low level of sexual stimulation, like thinking about an attractive women.  Other situations like a prostate leak caused by passing a large stool can also be a trigger for a partial form of POIS.  However, for others, ejaculation, or the slightest emission of semen, is the only trigger. 

It has been outlined, and it seems so, that it is not orgasm that triggers POIS, but ejaculation.  Some members have noted that an ejaculation without any pleasure associated with will still trigger the same POIS as usual ( POIS could be named PEIS, post ejaculation illness syndrome, but after 10 years and some research using the term coined by Dr Waldinger, the POIS designation will remain, for sure).  Some other triggers, like a prostate leak, tend to confirm that it is the physical release of semen that initiate the POIS reaction, and absolutely not the neurotransmitters frenzy occurring in the brain ( correlation is not causation, as science says).

Hello Quantum,
I am not writing a lot in this forum (because I am not able to write in english very good) but I follow and, as all of us, I am a POISer since several years.
During the last year the POIS symptoms seemed to slowly fade away (only 1-2 days). But in the last 2 months, when I increased my sexual activity, the symptoms got really worst, and now I am in a really difficult situation, because I am having POIS even without having a proper orgasm, just thinking about sex. Actually in these days I am really afraid that in every moment of the day a POIS can happen.
I tried for the first time Niacin (Swanson 100mg) and it seems to make it a little bit better (but it could be only placebo).
What I am asking to myself and to all the community is: is POIS a problem connected with the brain, with for example the doses of dopamine, testosteron, serotonine.... (and so independent from the effective ejaculation) or is it a “physical” reaction that is strictly connected with the operation of the reproductive system?
I know that this is one of the questions to which all us is trying to answer, but I think that this is the point: whether it is an endocrynological problem, that concerns the brain and the nerves, or maybe a phisiological condition, for example an allergy or a disfunction of the genitals (a “mechanical” disfunction).
I think that this should be the first thing on which all the community should try to focus, in order to understand how to move on to find a cure.

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Re: Latest Ideas on NE Avoidance
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2016, 09:15:40 PM »
Hi Mardi,

The cumulative worsening of POIS symptoms you describe is common to almost every POIS sufferers, I think.  When we intensify sexual activities and there is less time between ejaculations, and that you haven still not fully recover from the previous one, the symptoms worsens.  In your case, it looks like after 2 months, they get pretty constant, so you may need some break time to let your body and mond fully recover.

Regarding your comments on POIS cause, have you read this thread - http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2078.msg16404#msg16404 ?  It is mostly about the questions you raise.  You can also find in this thread,  a detailed version of my own point of view on the cause and pathophysiology of POIS, at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2078.msg16431#msg16431 
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Re: Latest Ideas on NE Avoidance
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2016, 02:08:47 AM »
Hi Quantum,
thanks for the answer!
I read your linked post just now, and I must say that, even if I don’t have a deep knowledge about medicine and chemistry, I absolutely agree with your analysis: neurological and physical syndrome, similar to the symptoms of an allergy.
This would explain also why for some POISers the phisical activity (sweating, liberating toxines), or the niacin (which works exactly as an anthistamine) could give some results (also to me).
I only doubt about one thing: I don’t think that the POIS reaction is connected directly with orgasm,  but I think that we can not say that it is related directly with semen.
 There are a loto f POISers that can have POIS just having some erotic thoughts, and some of us (also me) have POIS also with a dry ejaculation. That’s why I suppose that the problem does not belong to semen itself, and neither to orgasm, but to the proceedings that in the brain regluate the process of ejaculation. Now, I am not a doctor and I don’t know exactly this things, but before the physical moment of ejaculation something might happen in the brain, some chemical reactions that create a kind of “chain” that bring to the moment of ejaculating. I think that the problem, and the solution, is there!
By the way, I think that is great to exchange our ideas in this forum, and I would really like if one day it would be possible that all of us could meet personally, like in a congress or a manifestation that will definitely reveal the existence of POIS to the rest of the world (and especially of the doctors!).

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Re: Latest Ideas on NE Avoidance
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2016, 08:55:53 AM »
This thread being titled "Latest ideas on NE avoidance", here is my latest idea: wearing very large and ample boxer shorts for the night.   I recently realized that wearing a bower short that is a little too tight will increase the stimulation by friction, when "morning wood" occurs. This tend to cause me sex-oriented dreams and intense, long-lasting morning wood, which increase the probabilities of a NE. By wearing a very slack boxer short, there is far less chance of this "wrapping" phenomenon at the tip of the sex, causing less stimulation.

So from now on, I will wear only very large boxer shorts for the night.  If this helps me have NE less often, that's a step further toward less and less POIS symptoms.   

I hope this will help me, and other members, having less NE.

Of course, if I have fantasy all day, watch the girls on the street, listen to Games of Throne, even touch myself a bit during the day, and regularly take sex-stimulating supplements ( zinc, lycopene, nitric-oxyde producing supplement, etc...), the type of boxer shorts I wear will not have a significant impact on increasing the number of days or week before the next NE - I think you understand it is just a refinement in an overall approach.



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Re: Latest Ideas on NE Avoidance
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2016, 04:30:11 PM »
To deal with NE, you must write down your dreams every day in the morning, even if you remember nothing, write down that you remember nothing. Then you'll gain more lucidity in your dreams and you can consciously decide in your dream that you do not want to have sex/orgasm due to POIS symptoms. That's what I do. It is the single and only method that I use, and is most reliable.

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Re: Latest Ideas on NE Avoidance
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2016, 07:46:57 PM »
To deal with NE, you must write down your dreams every day in the morning, even if you remember nothing, write down that you remember nothing. Then you'll gain more lucidity in your dreams and you can consciously decide in your dream that you do not want to have sex/orgasm due to POIS symptoms. That's what I do. It is the single and only method that I use, and is most reliable.

Very interesting technique, Limitbreaker.  I do remember to sometime have influenced the outcome of a dream by conscious or half-conscious intervention.

How long can you be without NE, on average, with that method?
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Re: Latest Ideas on NE Avoidance
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2016, 05:18:51 AM »
So far I've only tried 2 weeks, several times. Check this out: I just had 2 weeks break from orgasm. It ended yesterday, and I did not have sex that day. However this very night I instantly had a wet dream, just because my consciousness knew that the wait is over and that it can go wild and do whatever it wants, lol.

 I am pretty sure that if I wanted I could go longer without NE. I've also recently decided not to cheat on my girlfriend in my dreams (and so did my girlfriend), and guess what, this is my first NE since that decision and I had orgasm without having actualy sex with a stranger in my dream. All my previous wet dreams would be about a stranger, or my girlfriend, but generally I'd cheat on her in an unconscious way.

The fix to NE is to make what is unconscious - conscious, by noting down the dreams everyday at least for 2 weeks in the beginning, and if you've got your effect out of it i.e. becoming lucid in your dream when sex scene happens and that you deny it, you can go on with writing down your dreams once in a while. You need to make a habit out of becoming conscious when wet dream appears though. Be it your trigger. You could also try writing down in your dream journal that you do not want to orgasm in dreams because and write down reasons, this should definitely improve your chances to learn inhibiting NE, although I did not try that because I've got the effect pretty easily, I wonder if others would get it as easy as I did. Although, I have to say that I've been watching my dreams for a longer time now and I see continuity in my dreams --> waking state and waking state --> dreams. As in, I see how my fears, hopes and other emotions from waking life continue into the dreams and vice versa. It is a fact for everyone to notice and I wish you that. Anyways, that's why it could have been easier for me.

Any lucid dream techniques you might have heard about apply to NE. Since with lucid dreaming you can choose to have sex with anyone... You can also choose not to have sex. Although, you do not need to actually learn to lucid dream to stop NEs - I don't lucid dream, and I stop NEs. I gain lucidity only for a glimpse moment when I am about to have sex, the earlier I notice it's gonna happen the better, and then I lose it (or not) and the dream goes on.

And last but not least: I had this NE today in the morning and today I'm trying to fast until evening. Aside fasting, so far I haven't noticed any increased symptoms of POIS today. I came back from working abroad weeks ago, was sick when I came back, I had a lot of sex and orgasms and a week of orgasms left me really POIS symptomatic for so far over 2 weeks. This time symptoms subside much slower, however, again, I had NE few hours ago and no increase in symptoms.

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Re: Latest Ideas on NE Avoidance
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2017, 08:54:35 AM »
I wanted to re-post here a link to an article on NE that has been shared by rudolphacunha this week:

https://www.seedoc.co/why-nightfall-happen-when-i-eat-much-and-when-i-recovered-it-happen-every-week-it-makes-me-dull-any-treatment/

Many tips are given, maybe some of you will find something useful in it to reduce nocturnal emissions to a minimum.

The article is quite short, so here it is, copy and paste:

"Hi, problems of nightfall are quite common in this age group. it is not a medical disorder and happens most often due to excess accumulation of semen.
generally the condition is not seen after marriage.
1. eat less of oily and fast food
2. almonds 3-5 daily
3. eat less in dinner, drink more water
4. masturbation is not contraindicated, rather it is one of the safest form of personal sexual gratification but off course not in excess.

Night fall or wet dreams is a very common occurrence among men, especially among adolescents . This condition is characterized by involuntary ejaculation during sleep in the night or in the early hours of the morning. The problem of night fall can be very frustrating for young men because most of the times they don’t understand the reason for it and also because it is a very embarrassing thing to discuss with not only their parents but also with their peers.
The frequency of these nocturnal emissions varies from person to person, most men only experience this condition in their adolescent years but few may suffer from it all their lives. this condition is very common and nothing really to worry about except in very few cases where it is very frequent spread over a long period of time.
Exercising regularly and avoiding spicy foods can lessen the frequency of nightfall.
1. Should start jogging or brisk walking for at least 30 minutes every day.
2. Should avoid consumption of any liquid for at least 2 hours before going to sleep.
3. Should go for urination just before going to bed.
4. Should avoid watching porn or erotic chats etc.
5. Start listening to soothing music which gives peace of mind and gives soothing effects like the meditation gives.
6. Should start reading good books at the time to keep the brain relaxed for a sound sleep.
7. If night fall happens then one should not worry about this, because if people keep on thinking about nightfall or have the fear of night fall at the time of sleeping then you get more chances to have the night fall again.
8. Should avoid constipation because an upset digestive system also sometimes causes night fall.
9. If the person is having the habit of taking milk at night then they should take milk in the evening instead of at night.
10. Start doing masturbation once in a while may help control night fall.
Remember to talk to your doctor before you start or stop your medications and never self medicate. "


Obviously, for those with POIS like us, #10 tip should be a "planned release", that is, taking a pre-pack that you know helps control and lower your symptoms, 1 hours before release, so you won't get full blast POIS cycle.
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Re: Latest Ideas on NE Avoidance
« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2020, 01:40:52 PM »
I'm wondring about point nr 2. "Should avoid consumption of any liquid for at least 2 hours before going to sleep.". Is the reason for this that the sleep will be interrupted because of toilet visits, and NE is most likely to occur in shallow sleep states?

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Re: Latest Ideas on NE Avoidance
« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2020, 06:23:20 PM »
I'm wondring about point nr 2. "Should avoid consumption of any liquid for at least 2 hours before going to sleep.". Is the reason for this that the sleep will be interrupted because of toilet visits, and NE is most likely to occur in shallow sleep states?

Hi BoneBroth,
I think it is more related to the fact that a full bladder could press against and stimulate the sacral nerve ( https://health.clevelandclinic.org/men-get-morning-erections-5-answers-questions/ ).   
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Re: Latest Ideas on NE Avoidance
« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2020, 05:05:26 AM »
That was interesting, do you have any other sollutions for prolonged erection during sleep? I have found that I don't sleep well in that state and NE's certainly more likely to appear.