Ketogenic Diet

[Vincent M]

I don't know much anything about this diet myself, but a non-POIS sufferer suggested it to us on NSF and I thought I'd just paste what he wrote over here since I don't remember any discussion of it here. The wikipedia page says the diet is pretty effective for seizures and that it shows some promise for things like alzheimers and parkinsons. 

Minerva - "I was just reading through this thread because I wasnt sure what it was about.  Not all of it mind.  Can I offer a suggestion?  Have any of you tried a ketogenic diet?
A lot of the symptoms you describe: itching, rashes, low b nutrients are exactly what happen to me when I eat grains (I have liver disease-cirrhosis), either treatment or the cirrhosis itself has caused numerous digestive problems, most of which have been alleviated with a ketogenic diet.
Anyway-just a thought you guys seem quite clued up on nutrition.  Please be careful with those herbs mixed with meds though......"
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg403553#msg403553

First paragraph of the wiki describing it: "The ketogenic diet is a high-fat, adequate-protein, low-carbohydrate diet that in medicine is used primarily to treat difficult-to-control (refractory) epilepsy in children. The diet forces the body to burn fats rather than carbohydrates. Normally, the carbohydrates contained in food are converted into glucose, which is then transported around the body and is particularly important in fuelling brain function. However, if there is very little carbohydrate in the diet, the liver converts fat into fatty acids and ketone bodies. The ketone bodies pass into the brain and replace glucose as an energy source. An elevated level of ketone bodies in the blood, a state known as ketosis, leads to a reduction in the frequency of epileptic seizures."

I think some recent studies have suggested that high blood pressure and heart disease might be caused by inflammation of blood vessels and not by cholesterol as we've thought so perhaps our society has restricted our consumption of fats too much. Of course that's completely different to the level this diet takes it to. I probably won't be trying this any time soon, but it's an interesting bit to know.

[Vincent M]

It appears Kurtosis talked briefly about its potential application to alzheimers on nsf.

"I've had 2 relatives on my father's side of the family who have developed alzheimers by the way so add that to the list. Perhaps there's a connection. I read a fascinating paper recently on experimental alzheimer treatment using medium chain triglycerides, found in coconut oil, milk, colostrum etc. The idea is that ketosis can work around the impairment to glucose utilisation in mitochondria by providing an alternative fuel source."

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg376487#msg376487

[b_jim]

I recommand ketogenic diet or paleo diet during 2 weeks to test the effecs on Pois :

- lot of proteins especially at morning
- lot vegetables / fruit
- fats (lot of "good fats" )
- nut's family food

avoid : sugar, junk food

Carbohydrates must be reduced (more fats and more proteins) but be the best ones. It's the most difficult part of the diet.

 

[Hopeoneday]

Tested, i lost half my weight, imagine 2 meter tall man, lose half
his weight in 2 month paleo , keto...
Ended in fight to stop lose my weight, it took me half year to
regein some weight.

Nothing helped for my helth and pois, intrestily on GLC tread there are
seweral people cured pois complitly by going on autoimune diet,
they sending me mails private about lectins avodence to togedher
with autoimune diet, healed them 100% for pois and owerall health.

[JohnJames]

I'm in ketosis since I eat only high fat meat. I still have symptoms but they are reducing significantly over time. My lifelong acne and dandruff has disappeared and my energy levels are much higher. I'm pretty confident the diet will heal my gut (see research over at paleomedicina on intestinal permeability).

Don't know if you'd get the same results on keto.

Many people whom go full carnivore like myself tried a ketogenic diet before going to meat-only (though I never did keto, I went straight to meat only.)

I recommand ketogenic diet or paleo diet during 2 weeks to test the effecs on Pois :

- lot of proteins especially at morning
- lot vegetables / fruit
- fats (lot of "good fats" )
- nut's family food

avoid : sugar, junk food

Carbohydrates must be reduced (more fats and more proteins) but be the best ones. It's the most difficult part of the diet.

 

I think it's important to try new diets longer than 2 weeks, the keto-flu can last up to a month at times, and as others on this forum suggested certain plant-toxins such as in nightshades can take like a month to leave your system. Some people only notice significant improvement at the 6 week mark for other autoimmune diseases.

I don't know much anything about this diet myself, but a non-POIS sufferer suggested it to us on NSF and I thought I'd just paste what he wrote over here since I don't remember any discussion of it here. The wikipedia page says the diet is pretty effective for seizures and that it shows some promise for things like alzheimers and parkinsons. 

Minerva - "I was just reading through this thread because I wasnt sure what it was about.  Not all of it mind.  Can I offer a suggestion?  Have any of you tried a ketogenic diet?
A lot of the symptoms you describe: itching, rashes, low b nutrients are exactly what happen to me when I eat grains (I have liver disease-cirrhosis), either treatment or the cirrhosis itself has caused numerous digestive problems, most of which have been alleviated with a ketogenic diet.
Anyway-just a thought you guys seem quite clued up on nutrition.  Please be careful with those herbs mixed with meds though......"
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg403553#msg403553

First paragraph of the wiki describing it: "The ketogenic diet is a high-fat, adequate-protein, low-carbohydrate diet that in medicine is used primarily to treat difficult-to-control (refractory) epilepsy in children. The diet forces the body to burn fats rather than carbohydrates. Normally, the carbohydrates contained in food are converted into glucose, which is then transported around the body and is particularly important in fuelling brain function. However, if there is very little carbohydrate in the diet, the liver converts fat into fatty acids and ketone bodies. The ketone bodies pass into the brain and replace glucose as an energy source. An elevated level of ketone bodies in the blood, a state known as ketosis, leads to a reduction in the frequency of epileptic seizures."

I think some recent studies have suggested that high blood pressure and heart disease might be caused by inflammation of blood vessels and not by cholesterol as we've thought so perhaps our society has restricted our consumption of fats too much. Of course that's completely different to the level this diet takes it to. I probably won't be trying this any time soon, but it's an interesting bit to know.

There is one guy called Andrew Scarborough who has seen a remission of a malignant brain tumour using a meat-only diet after refusing to continue chemotherapy (he started with a keto diet before he realised he does best on just meat).

https://ketoalldayeveryday.com/andrew-scarborough

[CuriousCharacter]

I've been doing ketosis off and on for a few years. It's not a cure, but it does help me a bit. Just make sure you're getting plenty of water, sodium and magnesium, and just the right amount of potassium. Exogenous ketones are great because they contain sodium and magnesium.

I find that I need to eat some carbs in the evening to help me sleep. I was doing lots of fasting (including 2-3 day fasts), but I've eased up on that. It puts the body through too much stress.

[Labyrinth]

I recommand ketogenic diet or paleo diet during 2 weeks to test the effecs on Pois :

- lot of proteins especially at morning
- lot vegetables / fruit
- fats (lot of "good fats" )
- nut's family food

avoid : sugar, junk food

Carbohydrates must be reduced (more fats and more proteins) but be the best ones. It's the most difficult part of the diet.

This is the best diet for POIS

[Muon]

I wish I could eat nuts. They give me IBS like symptoms just like whole grains. I had to use a fiber free diet for a few days prior to the breath test and was surprised about how well it improved my stool. I also wonder if the amount of carbs or fiber in grains are the ones giving me problems instead of gluten. Going low on carbs seem to be beneficial for my overall health but I never went full keto. And fasting for 1 day gives my body stress, once it's under stress it's hard to get it back to a 'normal' state.

[swell]

Nuts are quite common to give IBS like symptoms.  Either if you eat them in small quantity, or taking a good enzyme blend helps me and I can eat them as much I want.

I wish I could eat nuts. They give me IBS like symptoms just like whole grains. I had to use a fiber free diet for a few days prior to the breath test and was surprised about how well it improved my stool. I also wonder if the amount of carbs or fiber in grains are the ones giving me problems instead of gluten. Going low on carbs seem to be beneficial for my overall health but I never went full keto. And fasting for 1 day gives my body stress, once it's under stress it's hard to get it back to a 'normal' state.