Free Flow Discussion about POIS

[demografx]

I'm liking the updates on the research grant applications that Stef is giving us. It's inspirational. Thanks, Stef.

Ditto!!

[Stef]

I'm liking the updates on the research grant applications that Stef is giving us. It's inspirational. Thanks, Stef.

You're welcome, Vincent M and everyone.

There really won't be much -- if anything -- to advise you all about in the next several months.  NORD's MAC will review the initial applications in early August, weed out those applications that don't have scientific merit and/or very good potential, and then decide who to invite back to submit full proposals.  Then, it's another waiting game -- the final determinations are made in late November/early December.

So -- if you don't hear more from me about your grant -- don't think it's bad news!!!  No news is just no news!

Stef

[poiseidon]

I'm liking the updates on the research grant applications that Stef is giving us. It's inspirational. Thanks, Stef.

You're welcome, Vincent M and everyone.

There really won't be much -- if anything -- to advise you all about in the next several months.  NORD's MAC will review the initial applications in early August, weed out those applications that don't have scientific merit and/or very good potential, and then decide who to invite back to submit full proposals.  Then, it's another waiting game -- the final determinations are made in late November/early December.

So -- if you don't hear more from me about your grant -- don't think it's bad news!!!  No news is just no news!

Stef

Hey Stef!
Do you mean that the research will actually start on december? How long do you think according to your previous experience we will have to wait before any result? 2014? 2015?

Thanks

[Vincent M]

Hey I always check on [recent posts] at the bottom of the home  page. This way I don`t miss anything.

The problem with the recent posts section is that it only records the last ten pages of posts, which is sometimes filled within a couple weeks so if I don't visit for a couple weeks then I have to go clicking through every single thread on the forum which is time consuming.

Since I have set up 3 different places to receive the RSS feed from here I was able to compare them today. So far bloglines.com is the only setup that has worked to reliably receive all the posts from here, but it's still only been a couple of days so it's not fully tested.

Feedreader.com is just plain glitchy and is now not even able to load my feed from poiscenter. Actually I tried logging out and back in and now it is loading the feed, but it has missed a lot of posts in the past couple days.

While the feed reader on internet explorer is easy to access since it's integrated into the navigation bar of the browser it is not feasible, because it has missed a lot of the posts from this site that were posted yesterday and today.

I couldn't figure out how to set up the feed using mozilla firefox.

Does anyone know how to do this or am I the first one who has tried to figure it out? I keep thinking there must be some way to convert the "recent posts" section into a big thread that contains all of the posts ever posted on this site or even maybe just increase the number of pages recorded from 10 to about 50 or 100 pages so the members who've missed a few months of posts can easily get caught up when they return.

[Daveman]

Hey I always check on [recent posts] at the bottom of the home  page. This way I don`t miss anything.

The problem with the recent posts section is that it only records the last ten pages of posts, which is sometimes filled within a couple weeks so if I don't visit for a couple weeks then I have to go clicking through every single thread on the forum which is time consuming.

Since I have set up 3 different places to receive the RSS feed from here I was able to compare them today. So far bloglines.com is the only setup that has worked to reliably receive all the posts from here, but it's still only been a couple of days so it's not fully tested.

Feedreader.com is just plain glitchy and is now not even able to load my feed from poiscenter. Actually I tried logging out and back in and now it is loading the feed, but it has missed a lot of posts in the past couple days.

While the feed reader on internet explorer is easy to access since it's integrated into the navigation bar of the browser it is not feasible, because it has missed a lot of the posts from this site that were posted yesterday and today.

I couldn't figure out how to set up the feed using mozilla firefox.

Does anyone know how to do this or am I the first one who has tried to figure it out? I keep thinking there must be some way to convert the "recent posts" section into a big thread that contains all of the posts ever posted on this site or even maybe just increase the number of pages recorded from 10 to about 50 or 100 pages so the members who've missed a few months of posts can easily get caught up when they return.

WOW, thanks for the effort. I see every once in a while that the feed seems to miss a thing or two, but maybe I'm not sure how much.

I use the RSS configuration on Outlook Express. I think other mail clients have RSS feed management. It seems to work fairly well, but I honestly couldn't say how much I might be missing.

Another is google reader.

In any case, the RSS feed IS better than the "Last Posts Since last visit" link. I don't know why, but this does seem to miss quite a few post.

Thanks for investigating and reporting.

Good work you do for the cause of POIS.

[sameer7777]

We should have a button to check all the post .... So we should not miss a single post pls advice

[nenexx]

I'm liking the updates on the research grant applications that Stef is giving us. It's inspirational. Thanks, Stef.

You're welcome, Vincent M and everyone.

There really won't be much -- if anything -- to advise you all about in the next several months.  NORD's MAC will review the initial applications in early August, weed out those applications that don't have scientific merit and/or very good potential, and then decide who to invite back to submit full proposals.  Then, it's another waiting game -- the final determinations are made in late November/early December.

So -- if you don't hear more from me about your grant -- don't think it's bad news!!!  No news is just no news!

Stef

When will the actual research start?

[demografx]

Everybody, we can help out the research process by going here

http://tinyurl.com/k9noay9

and telling the researchers what POIS is.

What has helped you.

What makes it worse.

This is our opportunity to have a voice.

[

[demografx]

The answers [to POIS] are around the corner!
 
Stef

[Vincent M]

WOW, thanks for the effort. I see every once in a while that the feed seems to miss a thing or two, but maybe I'm not sure how much.

I use the RSS configuration on Outlook Express. I think other mail clients have RSS feed management. It seems to work fairly well, but I honestly couldn't say how much I might be missing.

Another is google reader.

In any case, the RSS feed IS better than the "Last Posts Since last visit" link. I don't know why, but this does seem to miss quite a few post.

Thanks for investigating and reporting.

Good work you do for the cause of POIS.

The "Recent Posts" link at the bottom of poiscenter has never missed a post to my knowledge. Bloglines.com has failed the test as it has missed an entire page of posts that I just read over in the recent posts section. I didn't try Google Reader, because it is going to be shut down on July 1 of this year. It's looking like when I return I'll be forced to click through every single thread on this forum in order to catch up. Daveman, is there really no way to configure the "Recent Posts" section to record more than 10 pages of posts? Could you look into this?

edit- Figured out how to set up microsoft outlook. The password required was just for my email account that I already previously had, but for some reason underneath the box it said it needed a password given to me by my isp, which confused me. I'll test outlook in the upcoming days.

[Vincent M]

We should have a button to check all the post .... So we should not miss a single post pls advice

I agree, but it seems as of now the only way to ensure you've read every post is to either regularly read the "Recent Posts" section or click through every single thread on the entire forum.

[Stef]

I'm liking the updates on the research grant applications that Stef is giving us. It's inspirational. Thanks, Stef.

You're welcome, Vincent M and everyone.

There really won't be much -- if anything -- to advise you all about in the next several months.  NORD's MAC will review the initial applications in early August, weed out those applications that don't have scientific merit and/or very good potential, and then decide who to invite back to submit full proposals.  Then, it's another waiting game -- the final determinations are made in late November/early December.

So -- if you don't hear more from me about your grant -- don't think it's bad news!!!  No news is just no news!

Stef

Hey Stef!
Do you mean that the research will actually start on december? How long do you think according to your previous experience we will have to wait before any result? 2014? 2015?

Thanks

Hi poiseidon!

The award recipient of your grant won't be determined until late November or early December, 2013. It's ~ a 10-month process.

Then once the researcher is chosen, he/she needs to get all of the required documents to us -- these include copies of the medical institution's Internal Review Board approval (called an "Ethics Committee" outside the US) -- which insures the protection and rights of patients involved in a study -- and also a copy of the patient consent form.  Depending on the institution, this can be accomplished very quickly -- or a few months may pass.

The POIS study will be in progress for one year. So -- the grant may not be completed until early 2015, and therefore, there may be no strong reporting of research findings until then. But the researcher(s) must provide interim progress reports to NORD's MAC (one at six months, then one at the end of the year).  There is a portion that they must include which we'll be able to provide to the forum -- it's specifically meant to keep those who donated the funds up-to-date. We will definitely post that on your forum page.

But -- that information will be of a general nature. I can almost guarantee this will be the case until their manuscript is published.

FYI -- depending on the researcher who receives your grant -- your forum members may be able to establish an independent relationship with him/her.  It happens frequently, and simply depends on the personality of the researcher.  If that happens, you will probably be able to get more frequent "informal" updates. 

For the POIS grant, I can't envision the study not involving humans (as opposed to lab rats) - so you will probably be able to establish a relationship -- he/she will likely be contacting some or all of you for samples of blood, semen, or to undergo x-rays (paid for by the grant).

I wish it could go faster -- but research is often a slow process.  If it's rushed, it's not worth anything.

Stef

[Jon]

Hey guys. I have not been on here in a while but I am in a tough spot right now.

I'm not new to POIS. I've had it since I was 16, I'm now 26. Long story short, One day at the moment of climax when I was 16 it felt like an engine shut off my in my head. It wasn't the regular feeling I would always get after orgasm, Instead I felt dull and unenergized. From there, I was never the same. Since that day that 'engine' has never been turned back on. I remember wondering why I no longer felt the natural high of life or sense of well being I had felt before. I then developed a POIS on top of that, But not a regular POIS. My POIS includes a 3-5 day recovery period, but unlike many I have recovered less and less overtime. In other words my symptoms are constant, and if I do have an orgasm my body will not replenish my health the way it did even last time. Essentially I recover less each time. If I have 2 orgasms in a day my body cannot handle it, All my symptoms will take a big dip and my whole body chemistry will be changed. It has been debilitating. I've had to hold off for months at a time, And even in doing this my constant symptoms have not disappeared. 6 years ago I thought it couldn't get worse, 3 Years ago I thought the same, And today I am in fear because my symptoms have taken over my life.

Initially my symptoms were many and familiar to this forum .. Cognitive included trouble thinking, alertness issues, slowed reactions, difficulty feeling emotions. Physically my symptoms started with hot flashes, fatigue, muscle tremors, weakness, poor libido, groin and low abdominal pain following orgasms, and sensitive eyes among others.

I had to withdraw from school and work for a couple of years. I got all sorts of testing, tons of bloodworm, MRIs, Cat Scans. I've been to all sorts of doctors.... neurologists, endocrinologists, psychiatrists, urologists, cognitive therapists. Tons of visits to the top hospitals in Massachusetts. Standing up to many doctors as they told me its all in my head, and explained myself to many more as my testing came up normal. The frustration repeatedly finding nothing conclusive cannot be explained.

Eventually I found this forum I'd say around 2 years ago and I am very thankful for it. I initially found mild relief with fenugreek and garlic, but I still couldn't function. I then found niacin and felt about 40% better after orgasm. After 8 years into my issue, fellow member Kurtosis suggested a treatment regimen that I found great relief with. He told me to take spirulina, chlorella, fish oil, and vitamin C. So I was taking niacin before orgasm then all these supplements immediately after orgasm and also in the coming days. At first I felt strong, my weakness disappeared, I could think straight, and even my grain pains disappeared. I almost felt high in that I could work all day and I was very assertive. It was like things that seemed unbearable before became pleasurable and I couldn't find enough to accomplish. This went on for months. After a few months I started noticing myself dipping back down with each orgasm little by little.

I have since continued to dip and my symptoms are worse than ever. It is very difficult for me to open my eyes during the day, my cognitive symptoms are almost like that of a schizophrenic. I have trouble speaking and I slur my words, Trouble picking up social stimuli, I cannot always control my facial expression or voice, my sleeping is off, my emotions are very mild, periods of standing blankness, and I have trouble thinking. Physically all my symptoms have returned plus I have digestion issues, weakness, and others. These days even if I'm abstaining I still feel like I'm getting worse.

I've recently had trouble dealing with these as simple as the elements. Sun, wind, rain, etc. are harder now for my body to deal with. I feel that I'm mentally losing my sense of urgency as it took me days to write this. I sometimes wonder if taking all those supplements directly after orgasm hurt me more than helped me. Basically, It feels like my core energy that at one time made these things healthy was sucked out of my during that first incident. It seems that over time my energy is getting lower and lower and I really fear for what might happen to me. I am on a steady decline and I don't know what will happen to me if I get much worse. I would appreciate any input as I have a lot of respect for people in this forum.

Best,

Jon.

[LAPOISSE]

Just a quick though  : I've been recently convinced that the mental/psychological status is an important component in all that. It's like being stressed, negative, affraid, etc has a kind of retro feed back loop in the body and cause more physical unbalances ; emotions are hormons and neurotransmittors(we don't know how it works but it is 100% sure).

So my advice is try to work on your mental by seing somebody and working in your emotions (not necessarly a shrink, i found a doc very recently who have a very interesting approach in all that, you can do relaxation, etc).

Regarding the physiologic, have you tried to look at free copper ? The problem of elocution and facial expression are quite common with copper poisoning ; mineral unbalance are my new area of interest ; really not sure about that but it's quite promising. My belief is there is something between no problem and wilson disease ;

Good luck and keep faith

[Vincent M]

Microsoft Outlook has missed roughly 50% of the posts since I set it up. If I start from about 6 hrs after I set it up and start reading at Daveman's last post in response to LAPOISSE about NSAIDs and then stop reading at my last post then it has delivered 7 out 13 total posts. Only slightly better than 50%.

On the other hand bloglines.com has delivered 100% of the posts in that particular time frame, but it missed posts earlier.

It could be that these reader set ups take more than a few days to start functioning properly, but I doubt that's the case.

[Ccconfucius]

Hey guys. I have not been on here in a while but I am in a tough spot right now.

I'm not new to POIS. I've had it since I was 16, I'm now 26. Long story short, One day at the moment of climax when I was 16 it felt like an engine shut off my in my head. It wasn't the regular feeling I would always get after orgasm, Instead I felt dull and unenergized. From there, I was never the same. Since that day that 'engine' has never been turned back on. I remember wondering why I no longer felt the natural high of life or sense of well being I had felt before. I then developed a POIS on top of that, But not a regular POIS. My POIS includes a 3-5 day recovery period, but unlike many I have recovered less and less overtime. In other words my symptoms are constant, and if I do have an orgasm my body will not replenish my health the way it did even last time. Essentially I recover less each time. If I have 2 orgasms in a day my body cannot handle it, All my symptoms will take a big dip and my whole body chemistry will be changed. It has been debilitating. I've had to hold off for months at a time, And even in doing this my constant symptoms have not disappeared. 6 years ago I thought it couldn't get worse, 3 Years ago I thought the same, And today I am in fear because my symptoms have taken over my life.

Initially my symptoms were many and familiar to this forum .. Cognitive included trouble thinking, alertness issues, slowed reactions, difficulty feeling emotions. Physically my symptoms started with hot flashes, fatigue, muscle tremors, weakness, poor libido, groin and low abdominal pain following orgasms, and sensitive eyes among others.

I had to withdraw from school and work for a couple of years. I got all sorts of testing, tons of bloodworm, MRIs, Cat Scans. I've been to all sorts of doctors.... neurologists, endocrinologists, psychiatrists, urologists, cognitive therapists. Tons of visits to the top hospitals in Massachusetts. Standing up to many doctors as they told me its all in my head, and explained myself to many more as my testing came up normal. The frustration repeatedly finding nothing conclusive cannot be explained.

Eventually I found this forum I'd say around 2 years ago and I am very thankful for it. I initially found mild relief with fenugreek and garlic, but I still couldn't function. I then found niacin and felt about 40% better after orgasm. After 8 years into my issue, fellow member Kurtosis suggested a treatment regimen that I found great relief with. He told me to take spirulina, chlorella, fish oil, and vitamin C. So I was taking niacin before orgasm then all these supplements immediately after orgasm and also in the coming days. At first I felt strong, my weakness disappeared, I could think straight, and even my grain pains disappeared. I almost felt high in that I could work all day and I was very assertive. It was like things that seemed unbearable before became pleasurable and I couldn't find enough to accomplish. This went on for months. After a few months I started noticing myself dipping back down with each orgasm little by little.

I have since continued to dip and my symptoms are worse than ever. It is very difficult for me to open my eyes during the day, my cognitive symptoms are almost like that of a schizophrenic. I have trouble speaking and I slur my words, Trouble picking up social stimuli, I cannot always control my facial expression or voice, my sleeping is off, my emotions are very mild, periods of standing blankness, and I have trouble thinking. Physically all my symptoms have returned plus I have digestion issues, weakness, and others. These days even if I'm abstaining I still feel like I'm getting worse.

I've recently had trouble dealing with these as simple as the elements. Sun, wind, rain, etc. are harder now for my body to deal with. I feel that I'm mentally losing my sense of urgency as it took me days to write this. I sometimes wonder if taking all those supplements directly after orgasm hurt me more than helped me. Basically, It feels like my core energy that at one time made these things healthy was sucked out of my during that first incident. It seems that over time my energy is getting lower and lower and I really fear for what might happen to me. I am on a steady decline and I don't know what will happen to me if I get much worse. I would appreciate any input as I have a lot of respect for people in this forum.

Best,

Jon.

Jon am in a similar position as you in-terms of the of the cognitive problems.  I never fully recover cognitively anymore, before my recoveries used to feeell majestic i felt on top of the world now even after three weeks i dont feel there and when i hang out with people for long periods they start to notice.  That part is really starting to hurt my confidence and am always on guard not to be referred to as been dumb. ( i have got several hints of that from people, i just kind act like i didnt notice or hear).  Caffine/ 5hour energy do not give any kind of boost anymore like they used to.

Physically most of my problems have improved even if i do multiple orgasms as long as i get good night rest sleep i feel better.   I believe my physical problems has improved because of vit D. When i dont use it my physical problem ( mostly low energy) come back. You should probably check your vit d and see if its low.

Am not even trying to improve symptoms during pois anymore am trying to get rid of constant pois.   i feel if i can rid of constant pois i can once again have the motivation to fight frequent orgasm.

[Daveman]

Microsoft Outlook has missed roughly 50% of the posts since I set it up. If I start from about 6 hrs after I set it up and start reading at Daveman's last post in response to LAPOISSE about NSAIDs and then stop reading at my last post then it has delivered 7 out 13 total posts. Only slightly better than 50%.

On the other hand bloglines.com has delivered 100% of the posts in that particular time frame, but it missed posts earlier.

It could be that these reader set ups take more than a few days to start functioning properly, but I doubt that's the case.

WOW, I didn't think it was that much!! Hope I'm not missing too many SPAMs... (to delete and report) Don't forget, if  you see SPAMs, everybody, click the "report to moderator button" below the post.

[FornicationDENIED]

Hey guys. I have not been on here in a while but I am in a tough spot right now.

I'm not new to POIS. I've had it since I was 16, I'm now 26. Long story short, One day at the moment of climax when I was 16 it felt like an engine shut off my in my head. It wasn't the regular feeling I would always get after orgasm, Instead I felt dull and unenergized. From there, I was never the same. Since that day that 'engine' has never been turned back on. I remember wondering why I no longer felt the natural high of life or sense of well being I had felt before. I then developed a POIS on top of that, But not a regular POIS. My POIS includes a 3-5 day recovery period, but unlike many I have recovered less and less overtime. In other words my symptoms are constant, and if I do have an orgasm my body will not replenish my health the way it did even last time. Essentially I recover less each time. If I have 2 orgasms in a day my body cannot handle it, All my symptoms will take a big dip and my whole body chemistry will be changed. It has been debilitating. I've had to hold off for months at a time, And even in doing this my constant symptoms have not disappeared. 6 years ago I thought it couldn't get worse, 3 Years ago I thought the same, And today I am in fear because my symptoms have taken over my life.

Initially my symptoms were many and familiar to this forum .. Cognitive included trouble thinking, alertness issues, slowed reactions, difficulty feeling emotions. Physically my symptoms started with hot flashes, fatigue, muscle tremors, weakness, poor libido, groin and low abdominal pain following orgasms, and sensitive eyes among others.

I had to withdraw from school and work for a couple of years. I got all sorts of testing, tons of bloodworm, MRIs, Cat Scans. I've been to all sorts of doctors.... neurologists, endocrinologists, psychiatrists, urologists, cognitive therapists. Tons of visits to the top hospitals in Massachusetts. Standing up to many doctors as they told me its all in my head, and explained myself to many more as my testing came up normal. The frustration repeatedly finding nothing conclusive cannot be explained.

Eventually I found this forum I'd say around 2 years ago and I am very thankful for it. I initially found mild relief with fenugreek and garlic, but I still couldn't function. I then found niacin and felt about 40% better after orgasm. After 8 years into my issue, fellow member Kurtosis suggested a treatment regimen that I found great relief with. He told me to take spirulina, chlorella, fish oil, and vitamin C. So I was taking niacin before orgasm then all these supplements immediately after orgasm and also in the coming days. At first I felt strong, my weakness disappeared, I could think straight, and even my grain pains disappeared. I almost felt high in that I could work all day and I was very assertive. It was like things that seemed unbearable before became pleasurable and I couldn't find enough to accomplish. This went on for months. After a few months I started noticing myself dipping back down with each orgasm little by little.

I have since continued to dip and my symptoms are worse than ever. It is very difficult for me to open my eyes during the day, my cognitive symptoms are almost like that of a schizophrenic. I have trouble speaking and I slur my words, Trouble picking up social stimuli, I cannot always control my facial expression or voice, my sleeping is off, my emotions are very mild, periods of standing blankness, and I have trouble thinking. Physically all my symptoms have returned plus I have digestion issues, weakness, and others. These days even if I'm abstaining I still feel like I'm getting worse.

I've recently had trouble dealing with these as simple as the elements. Sun, wind, rain, etc. are harder now for my body to deal with. I feel that I'm mentally losing my sense of urgency as it took me days to write this. I sometimes wonder if taking all those supplements directly after orgasm hurt me more than helped me. Basically, It feels like my core energy that at one time made these things healthy was sucked out of my during that first incident. It seems that over time my energy is getting lower and lower and I really fear for what might happen to me. I am on a steady decline and I don't know what will happen to me if I get much worse. I would appreciate any input as I have a lot of respect for people in this forum.

Best,

Jon.

Jon am in a similar position as you in-terms of the of the cognitive problems.  I never fully recover cognitively anymore, before my recoveries used to feeell majestic i felt on top of the world now even after three weeks i dont feel there and when i hang out with people for long periods they start to notice.  That part is really starting to hurt my confidence and am always on guard not to be referred to as been dumb. ( i have got several hints of that from people, i just kind act like i didnt notice or hear).  Caffine/ 5hour energy do not give any kind of boost anymore like they used to.

Physically most of my problems have improved even if i do multiple orgasms as long as i get good night rest sleep i feel better.   I believe my physical problems has improved because of vit D. When i dont use it my physical problem ( mostly low energy) come back. You should probably check your vit d and see if its low.

Am not even trying to improve symptoms during pois anymore am trying to get rid of constant pois.   i feel if i can rid of constant pois i can once again have the motivation to fight frequent orgasm.

Permanent damage? This is VERY bad.
I just found out that  that pharmacological agonists of 5-hydroxytryptamine2A (5-HT2A)serotonin receptors can block the pro-inflammatory effects of Tumor Necrosis Factor (TNF) on smooth muscle vascular cells.5-HT2A receptor is involved in cognition. TNF is supposed to promote inflammatory reactions in Crohns disease. This is interesting because  serotonin appears to be pro-inflammatory, as a number of studies have shown depletion of serotonin within the CNS acts to reduce animal models of inflammation such as adjuvant-induced arthritis. However it suppresses multiple responses to TNF. Testing to find TNF active have failed, but I never had orgasms before testing. My Crohn diagnostic is not 100% accurate because of lack of acces to the small intestine, and gluten free diet helped me more than drugs, but any complex protein is not recommended for any IBD because it can cause issues on a damaged intestinal lining.  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2861806/
Acetylcholine excess includes all POIS symptoms, brain fog, nightmares, diarrhea, flu like symptoms, and maybe decreased levels in the brain of the neurotransmitters: serotonin, norepinephrine,  and dopamine. Maybe POIS disrupts Serotonin.
TNF can cause premanent damage , read this  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21728035
Also, modification of the noradrenergic signaling system occurs in some neurodiseases http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12176079
If I fail to control nocturnal emissions, those damn wet NIGHTMARES I am doomed if my theory is correct.

[poiseidon]

Hey guys. Of two things I'm sure for those who experience POIS even without orgasm since I experienced it myself. Overthinking makes it worse. I'm sure that under a very small extent it is in our head. I do feel worse since I know POIS exist. I always knew there was a correlation between my well being and abstinence. But nothing more than that. But last horrible winter in Europe worsened my physical symptoms, making my sinus really bad. So I Google it. This is how I knew about this fucking POIS.

Now abstinence is not the key. Unless you are fully committed and concentrated to completely eliminate any sexual thought and this is achievable with meditation or other techniques that involve the control of the mind. I made it once. I completely deconstructed sex from my mind. Ironically during this period of feeling great (talking of some years ago) I dated many many girls which wasn't really something I was used to. What amazed me the most was the fact that they were attracted to me in the first place and without any effort. Even walking on the street their look was different. Long story short I ended up with this amazing girl. But when we decided to do it, it seemed everything was shut down. Weeks of MENTAL and physical abstinence made me completely uninterested towards sex. It took me months to make it work again. I believe for some of us this is better than POIS. But at the time I still was a very young monkey craving for experiences so I lived it quite badly because in one way or another I couldn't find in sex the great experience everybody had. Either for feeling like shit if I was doing it or not being able to do it because of prolonged abstinence.

Anyways...

Don't expect to feel better just not Oing because what I do feel is that many of us misunderstand POIS symptoms with other ones. One for all depression. Which is linked to POIS but just because we do tend to overthink about it. There are so many people with wasted lives. 99.9999% don't have POIS.

We are made to cum as much as we are made to eat or to breath. Theres no point really to stay horny all day and feeling bad anyway. We are made to cum so we have to cum. No matter what.
To feel better we can't just wait in bed until we feel great. I'm sorry but this isn't going to happen.

Gotta work it in your head. Abstinence and being horny don't work well. This way you put your body under stress giving you symptoms that you relate to POIS but might not..

I hope it didn't sound arrogant.
Bless on all of you

[demografx]

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