Free Flow Discussion about POIS

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It's Sunday evening, keep sending positive energy for speedy NORD release of Rutgers' Interim Report #3!

It's Sunday evening Monday morning, keep sending positive energy for speedy NORD release of Rutgers' Interim Report #3!

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...and I don't really look like Luigi of Mario Bros!
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...nor Jerry Lee Lewis!

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Non-technical "Popular Psychology" 2007 article about Stephen Porges and the Vagus Nerve:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200706/mind-your-body-higher-road-relaxation

[less_fogged]

Hi demografx

Just wanted to say thanks for all your input once more.
No matter how desperate people are.I can understand the frustration for some in wanting to move forward asap. Who would'nt be if you living with POIS. Even though not everybody always realises how much effort you've put in (including others) all this since your beginnigs. You and your team have only accumulated POIS patients coming on and off these forums whether they believe in it or not...no matter what....we all know it can all only raise the awarness of our plea to the medical world. Even though the plea part certainly has already been accomplished. And all that thanks to people like you.

Current medical practises regarding research, recognition, etc. can only improve even if it still feels like its going at a snails pace.

Every single person who has POIS and follows the forum should also register as it all helps in raising the awareness, even if they only come on here with a basic introduction of themselves.

[demografx]

Hi demografx

Just wanted to say thanks for all your input once more.
No matter how desperate people are.I can understand the frustration for some in wanting to move forward asap. Who would'nt be if you living with POIS. Even though not everybody always realises how much effort you've put in (including others) all this since your beginnigs. You and your team have only accumulated POIS patients coming on and off these forums whether they believe in it or not...no matter what....we all know it can all only raise the awarness of our plea to the medical world. Even though the plea part certainly has already been accomplished. And all that thanks to people like you.

Current medical practises regarding research, recognition, etc. can only improve even if it still feels like its going at a snails pace.

Every single person who has POIS and follows the forum should also register as it all helps in raising the awareness, even if they only come on here with a basic introduction of themselves.

Thank you, less_fogged!

[demografx]

Think we should pass on this holiday(s)?
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[demografx]

...Current medical practises regarding research, recognition, etc. can only improve even if it still feels like its going at a snails pace...

Thanks, less_fogged, your words above helped me become a little less impatient.

So...I hope others will feel the same way.

It's not easy...waiting!

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POISer Daily News
April 20, 2016



Oh well, maybe we'll let b_jim classify this POISer with hundreds of other cases he's reviewed!

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[gogetter]

"how viagra would fit in with my niacin treatment. The two are not very compatible. The short story is that the change has had it's ups and downs.

The ups were that when it worked it was very little short of 100%. The downs, were several really, when it didn't work, it made it worse, and the viagra/niacin combo is very hard on the system.

During some of the down times, my POIS symptoms changed. I could see an underlying POIS feel, but with some symptoms stronger, others lighter, and almost like some new. But I began to recognize that the seeming new ones were just grand exaggerations of existing ones.

Recently I have been having increasing gastric problems, and I can see where the gastric problems feed-back to unbalance other systems, even affecting brain-fog and loss of concentration.

Today is an interesting example. I accidently had "unprotected sex" yesterday (No niacin, viagra or anything, first time in about 3 yrs). And my POIS is just as it used to be. But with all the recent gastric problems, there's a distinct reminiscence that had recently been exaggerated in my heightened gastric problems.

So I am increasingly becoming convinced that, although the vagus may or may not be causal, it's certainly central. I am certain that something will come of all of this.
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Hi Daveman
Thank you for all your wonderful work on this forum.
I am  a newbie to this forum and have already spent a lot of time sifting through posts and messages.
Even after spending hours reading through the  messages; Unfortunately, I am still not clear of how to use Niacin and even more so Niacin supplemented by Viagra
A) which one first
B) can you eat after the flush and before the deed?
C) I read one of your more recent posts that you  only use 50mg of Niacin, that is to how many mg of viagra.
D) may I suggest we start a NEW topic on best practices various dosage, interactions with other supplements.

ps: I tried niacin 100mg after 4-5 hours fast had no flush then used viagra 50 mg after the act benadryl and 400mg nurofen. Had to sleep over 10 hours to feel better and was still a little brain fogged

[demografx]

gogetter, welcome to our forum!

[Daveman]

Hi gogetter.

Sorry for not being around much... Ufff very busy.

I'll start by saying that my case may not be like that of many others. Unfortunately that's a problem with "POIS treatments". None really seem to work for everyone in the same way.

As far as the Niacin, Viagra combination, it's true, it's a combination that has to be managed very carefully. Both components tend to lower blood.pressure. Both are vaso-dilators. At one point, when I was experimenting with doseages, I had a rather unpleasant experience with the combination.

But I almost HAVE to use the combination. I am 67 y/o and basically need viagra to have sex. And I don't want to have sex without niacin. But I've found an almost certain combination (for myself).

I take 25mg of viagra, and wait about 40 minutes until I start to feel activity "down there", then I take my 50mg of Niacin - NO MORE. then wait about 10 minutes more.  All this first thing in the morning before breakfast. That is 8 hrs fasting. I rarely get a rush, until maybe afterwards. Parts of the next 12 hrs can be a bit shakey, but much less than a normal POIS session by far. Usually if needed an Ibuprofen helps with those. I have tried it at night after varios times of fasting. A minimum of 4 is required. Niacin when taken with viagra seems to lower the restriction on fasting, but I have found that the times I've done it in the morning are almost 100% sure to work, whereas those in the evening and without good fasting are much less uncertain. The results can drop to near 50% in some cases. Althugh I have had 100% effectivity at times using it in the evening.

I noticed what you said about how in the next days some strange remnents of POIS are present, but nothing serious. Like mild shooting pains in certain nerves.... But generally I go forgetting I have POIS and it certainly doesn't affect concentration or incentivation.

So the doseage doen't need to be high. My bloodpressure is fine and I absolutely couldn't even contemplate having sex without these components.

Everything must be taken before the act. There is very little benefit to taking it after. It seems to prepare the system for taking out the garbage (whatever crap is produced by the orgasm process that gives us such woe).

I have come close a couple of times to inadvertent orgasm without protection. God forbid!! And thank goodnes I haven't yet had to face that situation.

[gogetter]

Daveman
I appreciate you're busy therefore your response is even more valuable.
I'm so surprised you take all that in the morning...

Are you saying you no longer required to have the Flush within 2 hours before the deed?
Secondly, taking the 25mg viagra in the morning, will make it different to get out of the house in the morning, won't  it?
Can you take in the evening another 25-50mg to assure good performance?

[demografx]

Thanks, Daveman!

[Daveman]

Actually it's not really all that much.

25mg is really very little Viagra. It's just enough to give me one orgasm. And I experience very little of the adverse effects, like pressure in the head and that kind of swolen feeling in the face.

Also 50 mg of niacin is not very much.

Sometimes it's hard to get enthiused at that hour, especially for the wife who doesn't take anything to raise the libido. I do miss the sponteneity of sex when you want it. Also Sex in the evening after a cocktail or two or a nice romantic dinner is "hotter". But alas, we have POIS!

I'm sure I would have to take more in the evening and with lesser fasting. But I've found that even so the results are less consistent, and in the evening you have to increase everything, such that the combination can have negative effects.

But no. I usually don't get a flush. A few times, with the effort of the deed, the flush has come during or after the sex.

[gogetter]

Actually it's not really all that much.

I'm sure I would have to take more in the evening and with lesser fasting. But I've found that even so the results are less consistent, and in the evening you have to increase everything, such that the combination can have negative effects.

But no. I usually don't get a flush. A few times, with the effort of the deed, the flush has come during or after the sex.

Thanks again Daveman for your detailed answer was very much appreciated.
If I follow your model and take 25mg Viagra and 50 mg Niacin in the morning; that, you say works well. What I am not getting is this for the morning after? or the morning before? I can't see how taking Viagra in the morning would help you for that night  13-15 hours later?
Also at night would you suggest doubling say 50mg Viagra and 100mg Niacin? does it have to be in this order or can it be reversed being that if one has to fast for the Niacin to work, you'd obviously first want to get the Niacin and flush over and out of the way then tuck in to dinner with a helping of  the blue pill.
My supplement supplier told me if I am taking Niacin I should also  supplement it by taking a B-Complex or VM2000 by solgar (which also happens to contain 100mg of Niacin among a whole list of other things) I took today those two for the first time, actually B-12 drops and a  VM2000 then in the evening I took 100mg Niacin and got a proper flush which was kind of cool ( actually it's hot :-) )
Following that, was waiting over an hour for it to subside to eat something, maybe I don't have to wait once the flush has appeared? though because this is all brand new to me and don't know enough about it.
Can I still take Viagra after all this?
I am sorry if I am being stupid here; Though, if like you say in one of your posts that this combination is hard on the system I want to know I am getting it right.
Then there is the question should I add on a Benadryl and ibuprofen after the act??
My wife says I will make a noise like a rattle by taking all those pills.
Kind Regards
GoGetter

[Daveman]

Actually it's not really all that much.

I'm sure I would have to take more in the evening and with lesser fasting. But I've found that even so the results are less consistent, and in the evening you have to increase everything, such that the combination can have negative effects.

But no. I usually don't get a flush. A few times, with the effort of the deed, the flush has come during or after the sex.

Thanks again Daveman for your detailed answer was very much appreciated.
If I follow your model and take 25mg Viagra and 50 mg Niacin in the morning; that, you say works well. What I am not getting is this for the morning after? or the morning before? I can't see how taking Viagra in the morning would help you for that night  13-15 hours later?
Also at night would you suggest doubling say 50mg Viagra and 100mg Niacin? does it have to be in this order or can it be reversed being that if one has to fast for the Niacin to work, you'd obviously first want to get the Niacin and flush over and out of the way then tuck in to dinner with a helping of  the blue pill.
My supplement supplier told me if I am taking Niacin I should also  supplement it by taking a B-Complex or VM2000 by solgar (which also happens to contain 100mg of Niacin among a whole list of other things) I took today those two for the first time, actually B-12 drops and a  VM2000 then in the evening I took 100mg Niacin and got a proper flush which was kind of cool ( actually it's hot :-) )
Following that, was waiting over an hour for it to subside to eat something, maybe I don't have to wait once the flush has appeared? though because this is all brand new to me and don't know enough about it.
Can I still take Viagra after all this?
I am sorry if I am being stupid here; Though, if like you say in one of your posts that this combination is hard on the system I want to know I am getting it right.
Then there is the question should I add on a Benadryl and ibuprofen after the act??
My wife says I will make a noise like a rattle by taking all those pills.
Kind Regards
GoGetter

Niacin/viagra only protects for about 2 hours from when it is take. My feeling is that it does something to our system that protects us for that short time window only.

So you can't take it in the mrnig to protect you later at night. It's only in the system for 1 to 2 hours.

If yyou want to have sex in the evening you have to take it in the evening no more than an hour or so before the deed.

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work as well in the evening.

My sense is that it has something to do with the liver.... even one drink (alcohol) within the 6 to 8 hour fasting time can set the effect back considerably.

I think that later in the day, one has eaten, worked, one is tired, your body is busy cleaning up all the garbage. So it's already overloaded.

I don't know the explaination, but morning after eaight hours sleep and Viaga niacin 45 min to an hour before sex works great (for me).

As I mentioned, I prefer the night, but I have to take more ( a fair bit more) and the chances that it will work are lower, even with that.

Taking either of those two afterwards doesn't do anything.

BTW. I tried with viatamin complex and it made my POIS worse. I've also tried with JUST the B-complex and no additional naicin or viagra and that didn't make it worse nor better.

There are a goup of us here for which the niacin works well and many for whom it does notihng. Go figure.

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POIS, too?

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UC Berkeley also does fMRI studies of the brain, e.g.,
https://news.berkeley.edu/2016/04/27/brain-thesaurus/