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What doctor helped you and the other poisers in China? Can we add that doctor to the doctor’s list? Any contact info available?

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What doctor helped you and the other poisers in China? Can we add that doctor to the doctor’s list? Any contact info available?
it has already been added to the doctor's list, thank you Muon.
A Chinese man undergoing desenz from 2021.8 to 2022.2, it became worse from 1.5 to 4.5 days, do not know it is spontaneous deterioration or by desenz. Believe POIS is a kind of immune diseases. My case:https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=4104.0

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the rest of the China POISers give up desenz because it doesn't help. 6 men did the desenz and only 1 man benefit from it.
A Chinese man undergoing desenz from 2021.8 to 2022.2, it became worse from 1.5 to 4.5 days, do not know it is spontaneous deterioration or by desenz. Believe POIS is a kind of immune diseases. My case:https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=4104.0

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the rest of the China POISers give up desenz because it doesn't help. 6 men did the desenz and only 1 man benefit from it.
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Thanks for this update, Lihua.
For the 10 years or so that Dr. Waldinger had used it, I did not hear of many cases where some relief happened, and even when there was some relief, it looked like 25% to 30% only.  Not surprising, then that Dr.Waldinger, in his last POIS review article in 2016, announced that he had stopped experimenting with desenzitisation with own sperm, and started to refer to POIS as an auto-immune disorder, rather than as a possible allergy to sperm.   

In my opinion, POIS research has to move away from the desenzitisation path, which is no more a promising avenue to explore.  New ideas and new approaches are needed, now.
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the rest of the China POISers give up desenz because it doesn't help. 6 men did the desenz and only 1 man benefit from it.
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Thanks for this update, Lihua.
For the 10 years or so that Dr. Waldinger had used it, I did not hear of many cases where some relief happened, and even when there was some relief, it looked like 25% to 30% only.  Not surprising, then that Dr.Waldinger, in his last POIS review article in 2016, announced that he had stopped experimenting with desenzitisation with own sperm, and started to refer to POIS as an auto-immune disorder, rather than as a possible allergy to sperm.   

In my opinion, POIS research has to move away from the desenzitisation path, which is no more a promising avenue to explore.  New ideas and new approaches are needed, now.
I think allergy is the subset of POIS-----you can see lots of thread that desenz or antihistamine help POIS.....
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I have hyperlipidemia. The diet regulation failed for two months. Now I start taking atorvastatin. I read the literature on the Internet that hyperlipidemia can cause inflammation. I am 22 years old, 180cm, 75kg, muscular, without too much fat and normal appearance. I am surprised that I have hyperlipidemia. I suspect it may be related to POIS. I will report the results of taking lipid-lowering drugs in a month.
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I have hyperlipidemia. The diet regulation failed for two months. Now I start taking atorvastatin. I read the literature on the Internet that hyperlipidemia can cause inflammation. I am 22 years old, 180cm, 75kg, muscular, without too much fat and normal appearance. I am surprised that I have hyperlipidemia. I suspect it may be related to POIS. I will report the results of taking lipid-lowering drugs in a month.

You may need to be aware that some members connected their POIS development to statins.
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2192.0

Statins can also induce skeletal muscle toxicity, however concomitant intake of quercetin may ameliorate this.
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2192.msg42407#msg42407

You may be also interested to check out PPARA (PPARalpha) agonists as they increase fatty acid oxidation. One classic example is niacinamide.
I believe the metabolic syndrome model laid out in Figure 6 actually applies to my case even though I am neither obese or diabetic.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-08899-7

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I have hyperlipidemia. The diet regulation failed for two months. Now I start taking atorvastatin. I read the literature on the Internet that hyperlipidemia can cause inflammation. I am 22 years old, 180cm, 75kg, muscular, without too much fat and normal appearance. I am surprised that I have hyperlipidemia. I suspect it may be related to POIS. I will report the results of taking lipid-lowering drugs in a month.

You may need to be aware that some members connected their POIS development to statins.
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2192.0

Statins can also induce skeletal muscle toxicity, however concomitant intake of quercetin may ameliorate this.
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2192.msg42407#msg42407

You may be also interested to check out PPARA (PPARalpha) agonists as they increase fatty acid oxidation. One classic example is niacinamide.
I believe the metabolic syndrome model laid out in Figure 6 actually applies to my case even though I am neither obese or diabetic.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-08899-7
For a whole month, I only ate a small amount of meat and two eggs a day. As a result, my blood lipid was higher.
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Lihua, did you take antibiotics, change your sexual partner, change your place of residence, take medications shortly before the start of the first POIS?

Did you just drink Coke and get nervous a lot?
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No, but I am taking vitamins zinc selenium SAME fish oil and other kind of things. I recently ejaculated once, and the symptoms have been reduced by 50%, and the duration has been reduced from six days to four days. But this is only one time.
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Hmm, it's important - zinc, selenium. Did you drink only these elements before the start of the first POIS? Or is there a complex of additives? How long have you been drinking them?

I have heard that not everyone and not always can drink zinc outside of the complex with other minerals.
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Hmm, it's important - zinc, selenium. Did you drink only these elements before the start of the first POIS? Or is there a complex of additives? How long have you been drinking them?

I have heard that not everyone and not always can drink zinc outside of the complex with other minerals.
a lot, it is hard for me to list all of them..........
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Thanks for answer!

I read that if you overdo it with any one mineral, the body may fail. The same zinc outside the complex and so on.

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It may be useful for you to take tests: amino acids in blood and urine (the widest list), vitamin B3 (niacin and nicotinamide), and, if available, tests for metabolites of tryptophan, serotonin and catecholamines (urine, It is better to do the daily urine, 24h) (!!!), advanced urine analysis for organic acids.

All this in one day. It is better to take it in a state of POIS and in a completely healthy state (twice, the same).

It all needs to be handed over in one day.

These tests can be informative for correcting your diet and other disorders.

Do not take any supplements/tablets for 5-7 days. Even longer is better.

If you do it, post it here.
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You can also do: fadiatop IgE (!), eosinophilic cationic protein (!), prolactin (!), testosterone, estradiol, TNF-a.
Calcium, magnesium, potassium, sodium, chlorine, phosphorus in the blood and daily urine. Zinc, copper, selenium in blood and urine.

Check the prolactin necessarily. Low testosterone may be because of this.

Steroid profile in saliva (as many hormones as possible).