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Lung inflammation / reduced absorption of oxygen
« on: November 14, 2021, 06:03:16 PM »
Long time lurker and first time poster here. This may be long, but I'll keep it as short as possible...

So I've been suffering from this curse for as long as I can remember. I've tried countless supplements and tried addressing numerous theories including methylation, deficiencies, etc, you know them all. A lot of things like taurine, niacin, NSAIDs, etc, didn't help at all. I've noticed the supplements that did help me seemed to address the problems with inflammation and blood/blood circulation like omega 3s, methyl folate and B12, garlic oil. I will say that Ive been a lifelong sufferer of airborne allergies as well, and am all too familiar with what they do to the lungs and throat.
Now I bring that up because I feel like I've made a huge realization...

My current hypothesis is that orgasm causes an inflammation response in the body, but for my purposes here, it affects the lungs, and that lung inflammation reduces absorption of oxygen and that lowered oxygen level is at the core of this disease, at least for me.

I've always noticed a heaviness in my chest, phlegm in chest and throat, deep gravely voice, and a constant shortness of breath. I never paid much attention to it until a few days ago after I O'ed I had the same chest reaction and tried doing very long, deep, holding breaths to try to counteract that. And it helped, noticeably. So I O'ed again this morning and immediately started looking for changes in lung behavior and sure enough I immediately got the all the same lung changes that also happen when I encounter high doses of airborne allergens like dense pet dander and bug spray... The same reactions I now realize happen after orgasm.

Trouble absorbing oxygen can explain so many of the symptoms of this disease. The fatigue, lowered stamina, achy and weak muscles and joints, cognitive problems, shortness of breath... These can all be explained by lowered levels of oxygen. One thing that always happens to me in a POIS state is a certain feeling in my eyes. A Google search of lower oxygen level's effects on the eyes revealed this..."blurred vision, burning, excessive tearing and a scratchy feeling, almost like there is sand in the eye". This EXACTLY PERFECTLY describes how my eyes feel.

As I said, I've been doing really long, deep breaths as much as possible to get my oxygen into my blood and so far it's been helping. I'll continue to update as I build on this hypothesis.

My hope is to get ideas about this from others and see if anybody else wants to try their own experiments.

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Re: Lung inflammation / reduced absorption of oxygen
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2021, 07:15:09 PM »

…lowered oxygen level is at the core of this disease, at least for me…


This might explain my recent POIS improvement with my new CPAP machine.




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Re: Lung inflammation / reduced absorption of oxygen
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2021, 08:28:07 PM »
I guess I should say since I realize now that I'm having what feels like an allergy attack like reaction in my lungs, what can be done to address that and how can I get more oxygen into my system? I've been taking antihistamines my whole life so I know that those don't help.

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Re: Lung inflammation / reduced absorption of oxygen
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2021, 12:32:25 PM »
Ever since my POIS started, I get immensely short of breath just from running a couple of minutes or going up the stairs. This doesn't happen to anybody my age, the difference is extremely noticeable, and it was my first symptom ever, it appeared even before the adverse reactions after orgasm. I don't suffer from any known allergy, the only thing that was wrong with my health at the time was that I was recovering from 4 months of diarrhea due to my soy intolerance, that I wasn't yet aware of. It was almost as if the inflammation of the intestines had spread to the lungs somehow. No idea how to explain it, but I'm sure it was the thing that started it all.
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Re: Lung inflammation / reduced absorption of oxygen
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2021, 12:34:06 PM »
Has anybody here ever measured their O2 saturation in blood using an oximeter? I'm planning on buying one of those easy-to-use ones that can be put on a fingertip and measure pulse and oxygen saturation.
26-year-old Spanish woman with POIS symptoms for the last 13 years.
Suffering from exercise intolerance since April 2020.
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Re: Lung inflammation / reduced absorption of oxygen
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2021, 01:59:16 PM »
Ever since my POIS started, I get immensely short of breath just from running a couple of minutes or going up the stairs. This doesn't happen to anybody my age, the difference is extremely noticeable

Same happens to me. The shortness of breath is nonstop in a POIS state and I get winded very easily and my muscles scream to stop. This is definitely a need for oxygen. Outside of POIS I have pretty good endurance since I work out regularly and stay active.  I noticed there's a heavy overlap between how I feel during an acute airborn allergy attack and during POIS. Even taking a deep breath triggers a strong need to cough. Could this be evidence for the allergy theory?

Has anybody here ever measured their O2 saturation in blood using an oximeter? I'm planning on buying one of those easy-to-use ones that can be put on a fingertip and measure pulse and oxygen saturation.
 

This definitely needs to be tested. I feel it should be worn during both rest and physical activity.
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Re: Lung inflammation / reduced absorption of oxygen
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2021, 01:43:59 PM »
Has anybody here ever measured their O2 saturation in blood using an oximeter? I'm planning on buying one of those easy-to-use ones that can be put on a fingertip and measure pulse and oxygen saturation.

I'm above 98% most of the time

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Re: Lung inflammation / reduced absorption of oxygen
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2021, 05:35:44 PM »
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Has anybody here ever measured their O2 saturation in blood using an oximeter? I'm planning on buying one of those easy-to-use ones that can be put on a fingertip and measure pulse and oxygen saturation.

I'm always around 98-99%. When I take some extra deep breaths or jump up and down a few times it quickly reaches to 99%. I havn't evaluated the saturation during POIS state though, but I have a feeling it's not diffrent then either. Perhaps POIS affects the lungs in other ways then just changing the O2 saturation. My mom has bronchitis (had a horrible cought) and O2 saturation of 89-95% but that does not have any hughe noticable health impacts. When we installed a ultrasound humidifier and put colloidal silver into it, the cough almost disappeared over one night though. Dont know if it has changed the O2 though.

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Re: Lung inflammation / reduced absorption of oxygen
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2021, 08:21:07 PM »
Has anybody here ever measured their O2 saturation in blood using an oximeter? I'm planning on buying one of those easy-to-use ones that can be put on a fingertip and measure pulse and oxygen saturation.

I just ordered one and will use it during different stages of POIS.

I've been doing a whole lot of deep breathing exercises this time and this has been one of the easiest POIS periods I can remember. How much of a dip in oxygen level could cause such a severe reaction? I'm sure an inflammation response would contribute to the symptoms too.

I also tried menthol cough drops and I feel like those helped some. I'm planning on getting one of those OTC asthma inhalers and trying that too.
« Last Edit: November 16, 2021, 08:24:01 PM by JayDeeSee »

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Re: Lung inflammation / reduced absorption of oxygen
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2021, 05:50:08 AM »
There are also salt-inhalators that are suppose to help the lungs.

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Re: Lung inflammation / reduced absorption of oxygen
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2021, 02:34:03 AM »
Quick update...

Still doing my deep breathing exercises and my symptoms are enormously improved. Sometimes I don't notice any symptoms at all except for the lung issues, but these lung issues are now more apparent because there aren't any stronger symptoms to cover it up.

I'm currently at the end of the third POIS day (my symptoms last 3 days, the third day usually being the worst), I've felt good all day until recently when my lungs felt like the inflammation spiked. I'm having frequent deep coughs like my lungs are desperately trying to get the air out, short quick breaths, and my chest feels like it wants to cave in. I got an blood oxygen saturation reader and put it on for a few minutes and it fluctuated a lot, mostly sitting around 95-97%, but at one point dipped as low as 89% (I did have to wait til I got home to get it and by that point felt like I was starting to improve).  Still not much symptoms other than the lung issues.  I'm starting to think it's prolonged oxygen issues that cause my problems since my symptoms don't come on right away.

I'll continue to update. I'd like to if anybody has tried the deep breathing exercises and what they did for you.

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Re: Lung inflammation / reduced absorption of oxygen
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2021, 06:28:14 AM »
Second day of POIS (NE) here now and the oxymeter shows 98% on right finger and 99% on left.

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Re: Lung inflammation / reduced absorption of oxygen
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2021, 04:08:18 PM »
Second day of POIS (NE) here now and the oxymeter shows 98% on right finger and 99% on left.

What are your POIS symptoms?

I've only used the reader through one POIS episode so far and the symptoms were very mild but even then my blood oxygen sat at around 95%. Doing deep breathing exercises would quickly bring it up to 98-99%. Now that I'm out of POIS it gives a consistent 98-99%. I'll have to use it again when I'm having worse symptoms, especially shortness of breath.

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Re: Lung inflammation / reduced absorption of oxygen
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2021, 07:27:20 AM »
Hi JayDeeSee,

I got 98% oxygen saturation today, after O tonight. I dont think it affects my lungs so much, but for others it might very well do that since I belive that the POIS inflammation acects every organ that has a blood supply, witch, of course, every organ has. Maybe all the supplements I take, never smoked, using a air cleaner 24/7 and air humidifyer during winter, for a long time, protects my lungs. But I will keep noticing the values.

My symptoms development are in my info-page here. They vary a little depending on the nature of the O (sex/NE), period of restrain (its better after 1 month without any O) and probably better if I had an anti-stress period some weeks before. It's worse if ate something that produced many days of gas / bloating.

However the always present symptoms are more or less (sorted from worst to least worst):

- Heavy headache/brainfog originating from the center of the brain behind the eyes, difficult to think in combination with raging brain (difficult to sleep). After 1-2 weeks the headache can be gone or change to a horrible tension headache spreading down the neck which makes it very difficult to sleep.
- Lack of social skills, self-confidence, bad and breaking voice. Isolation. However I'm rarely affected by psychological depression even in this state. I guess I always had a positive attitude.
- Redness and itchy skin mostly on forehead (feels like something crawling under the skin) in combination with bulging blood vessels.
- Dry, cold eyes. Probably the dryness in the whole body is most noticebly in the eyes. The cause might be compromised production of aldosterone / antidiuretic hormone.
- Excess cortisol production. The body try to lower the POIS-inflammation by producing loads of cortisol. This is good in the short time, but has horrible consequenses for the body in the long run. Cortisol takes all raw material from the other hormons (Google "the cortisol steal"), breaks down collagen/elastine, increases blood sugar levels and causes damage all over the body.
- Weight loss and collagen loss. It seems like the body cannot absorb proteins and gain weight during POIS. Probably because of inflammation in organs responsibly for uptake and digestion. I've managed to gain collagen again after heavy supplementation with collagen peptides and glucosamine (it actually works!)
- Muscle pain. I get pain in any muscle doing some extra work during POIS. Specifically the neck and tights. It takes weeks before this pain is gone.
- Acne (comes from within). However now I've manage to almost stop this with increaed vitamin C (2-5 grams/day), Omega 3, water, collloidal silver intake and cleaning / massageing the face/scalp many time a day too stop the acne producing bacteria / hormones to settle in the skin for too long time. The downside is that you skin becomes even more dry when you wash it all the time so you have to replace with some face/cream and use a face friendly soap.
- Hot feeling (originating from the heart, spreading to the whole body)
- Bigestive issues: Bloated abdomen, mustard colored loose stool followed by a period of constipation
- Dull pain in the right kidney area, sometimes stinging (it almost gone now, after drinking more water and possibly taking omega 3/vitamin C)
- Increased seebum production on head
- Irregular heart beat the first night, directly after O/NE, then I can have a period of 1-2 week with when the heart skips every 10:th beat, most noticeble during bedtime/night.
- Cold fingers / feets. Now I've put a heat-blanket on the floow at my working place, it helps a lot.

My hypothiesis is that all theese symptoms are caused by diffrent organs that are temporarily comrimised because of inflammation. Each organ / gland, gives it own symptoms as described in more detail my info below.

The things that works for me is restraining from O/NE for an extended time, avoid dopamin producing activities (porn, facebook, tv etcetera), supplements, gas minimizing diet, destress like walk in nature, planning the day/week, deep breathing and avoiding too many fights with your GF :)

 I belive the main cause of POIS is a combination of stress, bad gut health (SIBO), sedimentary lifestyle and dopamin excess (porn, social media, too many nocturnal emissions, orgasms) or just thinking about something that stimulate dopamin too much time.
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Re: Lung inflammation / reduced absorption of oxygen
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2021, 01:39:06 PM »
Hi JayDeeSee,

I got 98% oxygen saturation today, after O tonight. I dont think it affects my lungs so much, but for others it might very well do that since I belive that the POIS inflammation acects every organ that has a blood supply, witch, of course, every organ has. Maybe all the supplements I take, never smoked, using a air cleaner 24/7 and air humidifyer during winter, for a long time, protects my lungs. But I will keep noticing the values.

My symptoms development are in my info-page here. They vary a little depending on the nature of the O (sex/NE), period of restrain (its better after 1 month without any O) and probably better if I had an anti-stress period some weeks before. It's worse if ate something that produced many days of gas / bloating.

However the always present symptoms are more or less (sorted from worst to least worst):

- Heavy headache/brainfog originating from the center of the brain behind the eyes, difficult to think in combination with raging brain (difficult to sleep). After 1-2 weeks the headache can be gone or change to a horrible tension headache spreading down the neck which makes it very difficult to sleep.
- Lack of social skills, self-confidence, bad and breaking voice. Isolation. However I'm rarely affected by psychological depression even in this state. I guess I always had a positive attitude.
- Redness and itchy skin mostly on forehead (feels like something crawling under the skin) in combination with bulging blood vessels.
- Dry, cold eyes. Probably the dryness in the whole body is most noticebly in the eyes. The cause might be compromised production of aldosterone / antidiuretic hormone.
- Excess cortisol production. The body try to lower the POIS-inflammation by producing loads of cortisol. This is good in the short time, but has horrible consequenses for the body in the long run. Cortisol takes all raw material from the other hormons (Google "the cortisol steal"), breaks down collagen/elastine, increases blood sugar levels and causes damage all over the body.
- Weight loss and collagen loss. It seems like the body cannot absorb proteins and gain weight during POIS. Probably because of inflammation in organs responsibly for uptake and digestion. I've managed to gain collagen again after heavy supplementation with collagen peptides and glucosamine (it actually works!)
- Muscle pain. I get pain in any muscle doing some extra work during POIS. Specifically the neck and tights. It takes weeks before this pain is gone.
- Acne (comes from within). However now I've manage to almost stop this with increaed vitamin C (2-5 grams/day), Omega 3, water, collloidal silver intake and cleaning / massageing the face/scalp many time a day too stop the acne producing bacteria / hormones to settle in the skin for too long time. The downside is that you skin becomes even more dry when you wash it all the time so you have to replace with some face/cream and use a face friendly soap.
- Hot feeling (originating from the heart, spreading to the whole body)
- Bigestive issues: Bloated abdomen, mustard colored loose stool followed by a period of constipation
- Dull pain in the right kidney area, sometimes stinging (it almost gone now, after drinking more water and possibly taking omega 3/vitamin C)
- Increased seebum production on head
- Irregular heart beat the first night, directly after O/NE, then I can have a period of 1-2 week with when the heart skips every 10:th beat, most noticeble during bedtime/night.
- Cold fingers / feets. Now I've put a heat-blanket on the floow at my working place, it helps a lot.

My hypothiesis is that all theese symptoms are caused by diffrent organs that are temporarily comrimised because of inflammation. Each organ / gland, gives it own symptoms as described in more detail my info below.

The things that works for me is restraining from O/NE for an extended time, avoid dopamin producing activities (porn, facebook, tv etcetera), supplements, gas minimizing diet, destress like walk in nature, planning the day/week, deep breathing and avoiding too many fights with your GF :)

 I belive the main cause of POIS is a combination of stress, bad gut health (SIBO), sedimentary lifestyle and dopamin excess (porn, social media, too many nocturnal emissions, orgasms) or just thinking about something that stimulate dopamin too much time.

My deep breathing exercises are still doing wonders for me. Maybe this is evidence that POIS isn't just one thing but multiple related conditions. I used to get that weak, cracking voice because I get a lot of chest phlegm in POIS. One thing I've noticed from my deep breathing is that it feels like it stretches my tightened lungs/airways and opens them up and helps clear out some of the phlegm in there, and it has much improved my voice issues. I used to get that crippling brain fog too but methyl folate/B12 cleared that up.


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Re: Lung inflammation / reduced absorption of oxygen
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2021, 02:49:12 PM »
My poop analys detected no B12 producing bacteria so I take a sublingual B12 supplement. I never get phlegm/ mucus from my lungs.

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Re: Lung inflammation / reduced absorption of oxygen
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2021, 07:45:29 PM »
My poop analys detected no B12 producing bacteria so I take a sublingual B12 supplement. I never get phlegm/ mucus from my lungs.

I suspect there's a B vitamin issue as well and also take sublingual B12 and it has made a difference.

I get quite a bit of chest phlegm and there's a constant tightness, clearing of throat,  and feeling like I need to cough (and a lot of actual coughing) through my 3 day POIS period. I'm not even gonna attempt to speculate on what would cause that

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Re: Lung inflammation / reduced absorption of oxygen
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2021, 05:36:56 AM »
Get an ultrasound humidifyer like this and put 1 dl colloidal silver in the water. Put it no more then 3 meters from the bed during night. If the condition improves it might be a bacteria/virus issue. I know a few people who tryed this and is free from cough when using the machine. An inhalator like this might also do the trick, but then you can only inhale during the day, and have to do it every hour.
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Re: Lung inflammation / reduced absorption of oxygen
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2021, 11:04:52 AM »
Get an ultrasound humidifyer like this and put 1 dl colloidal silver in the water. Put it no more then 3 meters from the bed during night. If the condition improves it might be a bacteria/virus issue. I know a few people who tryed this and is free from cough when using the machine. An inhalator like this might also do the trick, but then you can only inhale during the day, and have to do it every hour.

Thanks for the recommendation. I'll check that out

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Re: Lung inflammation / reduced absorption of oxygen
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2021, 11:49:17 AM »
This thread resonates with my POIS symptoms.  My biggest issue was that POIS seems to attack my lungs.  The shortness of breath is annoying during the day, but it's hell when I'm trying to sleep. And the lack of sleep caused more issues, it was like a chain reaction.  I was diagnosed with sleep apnea 2 years ago, and I had to see many doctors because they didn't think I had it since I'm fairly young and within the normal weight. However one doctor prescribed me medrol dose pack (prednisone).  It's used to treat inflammation but it also lowers the immune system and it does something with cortisol as well. The crazy part is, when I'm on prednisone, I don't need to use the CPAP machine. This tells me that my POIS is causing sleep apnea or sleep apnea like symptoms. But unfortunately it's just a band-aid, and not something I should be using regularly.  So atm I'm cycling off it, but it's the only thing that works for me.

I also do believe our gut health has something to do with it. And I'm pretty sure I have guy issues. I often get bloated and have gas. Currently on a b- complex, acv, magnesium, probiotics, and betaine hcl. My heart burns are now much less severe. And I don't have as much gas as before.  I wonder if something like nitric oxide will beneficial for those experiencing shortness of breath from POIS?