Re: Covid vaccine and POIS

[Vandemolen]

I got the AstraZeneca vaccine. I had a few side effects, but I am ok.

[demografx]

Vandemolen, congratulations

[BoneBroth]

The vaccine (all vaccines) stimulates the immune system. People in my surroundings report inflammations starts again in parts of the body where they have old problems, toe nail fungus etcetera. This reaction might be good for some but at the same time it has caused deaths on old people whos bodies are to weak to take this immun reaction. Its just temporary. I dont think healty young people have a need for this vaccine. Antivaxxers are actually healthier then vaccinated according to new research and I know families that hasn't vaccinated themself or their kids even once in their life, and they the ones with least sick leave then the other kids in school. I smell a big rat about the billion dollar vaccine industry, which of cource is the same as Big Pharma.

[Vandemolen]

Vandemolen, congratulations

Thanks! I hope that I will also have a bit less POIS because of the vaccine. I know it is just temporary.

[berlin1984]

"Long Covid symptoms ease after vaccine, say sufferers "
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-vaccine-may-help-long-covid-sufferers-patient-groups/

"Do Vaccines Help COVID Long-Haulers?
— Anecdotal reports say some get relief from their long COVID symptoms after just one dose"
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/91476

Vaccine = triggering Immune Activation?

Immune Activation = Removing transient immune deficiency?

Covid19 vaccine thread
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3639

[maniaqe]

Got vaccinated with Astra - Zeneca. Didn't affect POIS symptoms. Nothing has changed.

[Mr Raba]

I have Pfizer shot available to me Saturday. How did it go for you?   Please state if you have only POIS or CFS also. Much appreciated.

On Saturday i will be in day 2 after O   Typically a harder day for me. Rats!

[berlin1984]

I merged your post with another thread ^
Please see the messages there :-)

In general, I think it would be interesting if you could try to not have this day as your day 2.
Instead, try to see if you get POIS symptoms if you have sex or masturbate on the day after the vaccine (where fever etc might hit you) and see if you get POIS symptoms then.

Reason is those threads:
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=994
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3565

[Quantum]

Hi everyone,

I had the first dose of the Moderna vaccine 11 days ago.   

In the first 24 to 48 hours, the side effect was pain and stiffness in the shoulder who had the shot.  Not much, just a problem if I wanted to raise my arm above shoulder height.   

But the main side effect started around 24hrs after the shot.  For 4 days, I had significant fatigue and exercise intolerance.  I could feel it when climbing stairs, and I was lacking the energy to do what I needed to do.  It was not as severe as a full-blown POIS attack, back when I had not developed my pre-pack yet.  It was like having a cold, but with no sore throat, no running nose, and no fever - just the toll on energy taken from the ongoing production of antibodies by my immune system.   

In the first 3 days of this fatigue, I was at about 60% of my usual energy. I would have prefered lying on the couch rather than going to the grocery store.   On the 4th day, fatigued lifted a bit, I had 75% of my usual energy.  The day after I was back to normal.
Considering most people have only slight pain in the shoulder and arm, I think I can say that I had more side effects than average.  No surprise, I guess, if we consider that the immune system does not seem to have optimal functioning.

[Mr Raba]

I merged your post with another thread ^
Please see the messages there :-)

In general, I think it would be interesting if you could try to not have this day as your day 2.
Instead, try to see if you get POIS symptoms if you have sex or masturbate on the day after the vaccine (where fever etc might hit you) and see if you get POIS symptoms then.

Reason is those threads:
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=994
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3565

 Thanks Berlin.   I appreciate the intention on the merge. And the links. 

I was hoping to hear from people who have both CFS and POIS since that is my cohort It is hard to find it this deep in a thread. Maybe I should repost as its own thread so it prompts replies but being more specific. 

[Investigator]

I got the first Moderna dose 9 days ago. Besides very minor and expected pain in the arm that lasted for just a day and then completely disappeared the day after, like Quantum, I also got some fatigue that lasted for several days. I still have the fatigue but can't distinguish it now from the usual POIS fatigue (I've had two orgasms since I got the shot).

So no, the Moderna vaccine didn't all of a sudden magically cure my POIS. 

[POISonIrvin]

Anybody got the vaccine during a POIS episode?

I Oed yesterday after drinking and having a 3 month streak :/ and now I have a scheduled vaccination (Moderna) for tomorrow and I asking myself if that is a good idea and I maybe should wait until my POIS subsides, as I have anxiety about any adverse reaction with my POIS-state I am currently in.

[Muon]

I will not take the vaccine. They are allowed on the market via Emergency Use Authorization. It hasn't passed all standard trials, it's experimental. EUA is used when there are no alternatives. Ivermectine is a proven alternative against COVID-19 infection, but they deliberately blocked the use of it (you will even get fined in some countries) so that the vaccines can reach the market. Also the average IFR is 0.15% (mainly the elderly) plus you cannot get rid of the virus entirely by mass vaccination because it's mutating too fast just like influenza. Big pharma is corrupt and can't be trusted. They also announced vaccine passports (probably with the goal of creating a medical underclass with unvaccinated people which they will isolate, but this is speculation on my side). The EU ordered 1.8 Billlion vaccines. That's 4 times the total population of the EU (hint: yearly mass vaccinations with experimental mRNA vaccines--->$$$). And on top of that the government here has spent money on various things like test society trials and zero money on expanding IC capacity or trainees, they even refused external help (not even mentioning the list of lies). I'm not going into discussion with people here but just give some arguments why I'm not taking it.

[demografx]

I am beyond thrilled to have gotten 2 Pfizer vaccine shots!

Yesterday, Mother’s Day, I (and my doubly-vaccinated wife) could hug my younger son - -  he’s also doubly vaccinated, as is my older son & daughter in law - - hugging each other for the first time in 14 months!

Now planning a cross-country trip - without major Covid-anxiety! - to see my 2 grandsons!

Even though I am in the highest-risk age group (75).

PLEASE TAKE THE VACCINE SO WE CAN REACH HERD IMMUNITY - - IT’S OUR ONLY CHANCE AT A SOMEWHAT-NORMAL GROUP-SURVIVAL!!

(And I trust the SAFETY statements by scientists whom I respect)

[hurray]

I am beyond thrilled to have gotten 2 Pfizer vaccine shots!

Yesterday, Mother’s Day, I (and my doubly-vaccinated wife) could hug my younger son - -  he’s also doubly vaccinated, as is my older son & daughter in law - - hugging each other for the first time in 14 months!

Now planning a cross-country trip - without major Covid-anxiety! - to see my 2 grandsons!

Even though I am in the highest-risk age group (75).

PLEASE TAKE THE VACCINE SO WE CAN REACH HERD IMMUNITY - - IT’S OUR ONLY CHANCE AT A SOMEWHAT-NORMAL GROUP-SURVIVAL!!

(And I trust the SAFETY statements by scientists whom I respect)

Congratulations Demo! I've also had 2 shots of Pfizer. Great that you can enjoy some time with your family now.

[hurray]

I will not take the vaccine. They are allowed on the market via Emergency Use Authorization. It hasn't passed all standard trials, it's experimental. EUA is used when there are no alternatives. Ivermectine is a proven alternative against COVID-19 infection, but they deliberately blocked the use of it (you will even get fined in some countries) so that the vaccines can reach the market. Also the average IFR is 0.15% (mainly the elderly) plus you cannot get rid of the virus entirely by mass vaccination because it's mutating too fast just like influenza. Big pharma is corrupt and can't be trusted. They also announced vaccine passports (probably with the goal of creating a medical underclass with unvaccinated people which they will isolate, but this is speculation on my side). The EU ordered 1.8 Billlion vaccines. That's 4 times the total population of the EU (hint: yearly mass vaccinations with experimental mRNA vaccines--->$$$). And on top of that the government here has spent money on various things like test society trials and zero money on expanding IC capacity or trainees, they even refused external help (not even mentioning the list of lies). I'm not going into discussion with people here but just give some arguments why I'm not taking it.

I understand your reasoning, but for me getting the vaccination is about helping the most vulnerable people in society.

In January, over 1000 people in the UK died of covid every day. 4 months later, an average of 10 people a day are dying. The only thing that's changed is that the UK have now had 53 million doses of vaccine.

The EU ordered 1.8 Billlion vaccines. That's 4 times the total population of the EU (hint: yearly mass vaccinations with experimental mRNA vaccines--->$$$).

The EU actually ordered 900 million doses of Pfizer. Since Pfizer requires 2 doses for each person, that's enough for 450 million people - which coincidentally is the same as the population of the EU. They have secured an option for another 900 million doses, which would be administered a year later.

I seriously doubt that the EU is interested in making an American corporation richer. They have seen how effective the vaccination programmes in the UK and Israel have been, and they want to protect their own citizens. The numbers speak for themselves:

[Quantum]

I will not take the vaccine. They are allowed on the market via Emergency Use Authorization. It hasn't passed all standard trials, it's experimental. EUA is used when there are no alternatives. Ivermectine is a proven alternative against COVID-19 infection, but they deliberately blocked the use of it (you will even get fined in some countries) so that the vaccines can reach the market. Also the average IFR is 0.15% (mainly the elderly) plus you cannot get rid of the virus entirely by mass vaccination because it's mutating too fast just like influenza. Big pharma is corrupt and can't be trusted. They also announced vaccine passports (probably with the goal of creating a medical underclass with unvaccinated people which they will isolate, but this is speculation on my side). The EU ordered 1.8 Billlion vaccines. That's 4 times the total population of the EU (hint: yearly mass vaccinations with experimental mRNA vaccines--->$$$). And on top of that the government here has spent money on various things like test society trials and zero money on expanding IC capacity or trainees, they even refused external help (not even mentioning the list of lies). I'm not going into discussion with people here but just give some arguments why I'm not taking it.

Yes the vaccine is authorized by an emergency procedure.  Everyone has to decide for themselves if they want to take it or not.
About ivermectin, I am not sure that there is any solid evidence for it against COVID-19, since Merck itself, the company that sells ivermectin, has stated that it is not efficient in this indication ( https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/ ).  Merck has no vaccine to offer, so their statement about ivermectin could hardly be made to clear the way for vaccines.

[demografx]

I will not take the vaccine. They are allowed on the market via Emergency Use Authorization. It hasn't passed all standard trials, it's experimental. EUA is used when there are no alternatives. Ivermectine is a proven alternative against COVID-19 infection, but they deliberately blocked the use of it (you will even get fined in some countries) so that the vaccines can reach the market. Also the average IFR is 0.15% (mainly the elderly) plus you cannot get rid of the virus entirely by mass vaccination because it's mutating too fast just like influenza. Big pharma is corrupt and can't be trusted. They also announced vaccine passports (probably with the goal of creating a medical underclass with unvaccinated people which they will isolate, but this is speculation on my side). The EU ordered 1.8 Billlion vaccines. That's 4 times the total population of the EU (hint: yearly mass vaccinations with experimental mRNA vaccines--->$$$). And on top of that the government here has spent money on various things like test society trials and zero money on expanding IC capacity or trainees, they even refused external help (not even mentioning the list of lies). I'm not going into discussion with people here but just give some arguments why I'm not taking it.

I understand your reasoning, but for me getting the vaccination is about helping the most vulnerable people in society.

In January, over 1000 people in the UK died of covid every day. 4 months later, an average of 10 people a day are dying. The only thing that's changed is that the UK have now had 53 million doses of vaccine.

[emphasis mine - - Demo]

The EU ordered 1.8 Billlion vaccines. That's 4 times the total population of the EU (hint: yearly mass vaccinations with experimental mRNA vaccines--->$$$).

The EU actually ordered 900 million doses of Pfizer. Since Pfizer requires 2 doses for each person, that's enough for 450 million people - which coincidentally is the same as the population of the EU. They have secured an option for another 900 million doses, which would be administered a year later.

I seriously doubt that the EU is interested in making an American corporation richer. They have seen how effective the vaccination programmes in the UK and Israel have been, and they want to protect their own citizens. The numbers speak for themselves:

Thanks, hurray! Worth repeating here

[demografx]

I am beyond thrilled to have gotten 2 Pfizer vaccine shots!

Yesterday, Mother’s Day, I (and my doubly-vaccinated wife) could hug our younger son - -  he’s also doubly vaccinated, as is my older son & daughter in law - - hugging each other for the first time in 14 months!

Now planning a cross-country trip - without major Covid-anxiety! - to see my 2 grandsons!

Even though I am in the highest-risk age group (75).

PLEASE TAKE THE VACCINE SO WE CAN REACH HERD IMMUNITY - - IT’S OUR ONLY CHANCE AT A SOMEWHAT-NORMAL GROUP-SURVIVAL!!

(And I trust the SAFETY statements by scientists whom I respect)

Congratulations Demo! I've also had 2 shots of Pfizer. Great that you can enjoy some time with your family now.

Thanks again, hurray!

Welcome to Pfizer’s Double Vaxx Group!
(Let me know if you grow a 3rd ear.
I’ll do the same! )

[demografx]

In January, over 1000 people in the UK died of covid every day. 4 months later, an average of 10 people a day are dying. The only thing that's changed is that the UK have now had 53 million doses of vaccine.

[emphasis mine - - Demo]