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Re: New study shows Gum disease link to Alzheimer’s
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2020, 08:33:24 AM »
Hi I will beat this,

I can concur, I get great after effect from getting a general clean up with the dentist and also suspect there is some kind of link to which you are referring.

I also , just posted about OVEX threadworm/parasite treatment , this helps and I think there are links with both of these things.

I am not a Dr, but these two things assist very positively.

I have a host of natural mouthwashes i lean towards , I have seen threads on candida being a potential cause too, and bucket all these things together as having some part in the picture.


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Re: New study shows Gum disease link to Alzheimer’s
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2020, 02:57:00 PM »
Apparantly all kind of pathogens can leak down from the mouth :-(

Personally, I have an inflamed/painful mouth feeling one day(?) after O.

I went to a different dentist now and got a bacteria check done (not paid by German insurance, done by the IMD berlin lab that was mentioned quite a few times in this forum https://www.imd-berlin.de/fachinformationen/diagnostikinformationen/parodontitis-molekularbiologischer-nachweis-parodontitis-assoziierter-markerkeime.html ).
I will post the results into the medical results thread at a later point (still waiting for some other results).

Conclusion is: Dentist wants me to take antibiotics. (And this is a dentist more in the natural corner of doctors, so I guess he wouldn't easily suggest this).
Metronidazol and Amoxicillin.

Related snippet, in my opinion:
"In addition, compared to controls clearance of bacteria from the blood was delayed in ME/CFS patients following exercise.. These findings suggest a role for an altered gut microbiome and increased bacterial translocation following exercise in ME/CFS patients that may account for the profound post-exertional malaise experienced by ME/CFS patients."
(My theory: Bad mouth bacteria -> bad gut bacteria -> exercise or orgasm -> bacteria going all around the body?!)

Let's see where this goes. (I will have time to only take them sometime in the next weeks. And I guess I should read through threads like https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2775.0 before).
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Re: New study shows Gum disease link to Alzheimer’s
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2020, 03:06:33 PM »
Metronidazol and Amoxicillin.
Internist put me on 11-day Metronidazol I believe for positive lactose hydrogen breath test. It didn't do anything for me. Mast cells or other immune cells activating in your mouth could be responsible for poor oral health, inflaming stuff. I believe MMP-8 is an inflammation marker for periodontitis.
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Re: New study shows Gum disease link to Alzheimer’s
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2020, 03:17:21 PM »
Internist put me on 11-day Metronidazol I believe for positive lactose hydrogen breath test. It didn't do anything for me.

Just for completeness sake: There is the therapy recommendation here: https://www.imd-berlin.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Diag_Info/139_Parodontitis_Markerkeimanalyse_Rueckseite.pdf

If one has high values for A.actinomycetemcomitans (i do) then you also need Amoxicillin or Ciprofloxacin in addition to Metronidazol
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Re: New study shows Gum disease link to Alzheimer’s
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2020, 11:24:04 AM »
Hi Berlin- Re ? Conclusion is: Dentist wants me to take antibiotics. (And this is a dentist more in the natural corner of doctors, so I guess he wouldn't easily suggest this).
Metronidazol and Amoxicill?

All I can say is I had a bad experience with antibiotics and would strongly avoid if at all possible.

Also , I have tried the following and it has helped my gums immensely-

Gargle with boiled water (add some cold to make it bearable , but still warm) + salt/turmeric and sometimes lemon.

I am no doctor , but this gargle morning/evening does me wonders if I feel my mouth is getting plaquey/too much.

A good plaque clean up by the dentist is always great too in general.

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Re: New study shows Gum disease link to Alzheimer’s
« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2020, 01:47:32 PM »
All I can say is I had a bad experience with antibiotics and would strongly avoid if at all possible.

I'll try to counter potential problems by taking NAC (I've read this makes them have less side effects) and usual multivitamins.
I'll also take several different probiotics (and fermented foods)..
hopefully it works out.

If you have more details on what you took and what the result was, I'm curious.
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Re: New study shows Gum disease link to Alzheimer’s
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2020, 12:37:00 PM »
I can?t remember the name of the antibiotic , I think it may have been amoxicillin..

My recollection was , my gut and stomach power reduced , and I just felt low on energy after it for quite some time..
not sure if it was placebo effect , but am sure it negatively effected my gut microbiome.

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Re: New study shows Gum disease link to Alzheimer’s
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2020, 01:27:26 PM »
So I took the Amoxicillin+Metronidazol some time ago. The Metronidazol I think messes your brain up quite a lot. I would recommend not expecting to be able to work much. I was even too scared to drive a car. (google for the words Metronidazol confusion, it apparantly even has the power to destroy dopamine+serotonine..)

But I pushed through it and survived the 7 days.
I took plenty of probiotics (both food probiotics and probiotic drops from the pharmacy) once per day, some hours away from the previous and next antibiotic dose.
I also took NAC and Vitamin B to counter the Metronidazol effects.

So I think my digestion is fine, It didn't havoc my gut.

My gums don't bleed anymore when flossing and also don't seem to feel inflamed and hurt anymore. I also didn't get headache anymore since then.

For POIS it did not change that much, maybe I don't get sore throat anymore?
It's definitely a piece in the puzzle (making POIS worse) but not the root cause for sure.

The biggest positive health effect I have right now is still the increased salt+electrolytes+fluid(German alcohol free wheat beet) intake I'm doing.
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Re: New study shows Gum disease link to Alzheimer’s
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2020, 04:58:43 PM »
It sounds like a positive outcome .. v positive .. glad your gums are better , it must be a great feeling .

I personally feel it is like a tapestry and a wholistic healing , you have to concentrate on all parts of your health and fitness to be optimal to stand a chance of getting through it ... and even if there is a cure , a lot of us will still take months to be able to process it , because of our old patterns and maybe other health issues ..

I think to stand a chance of getting over the line with pois , then we do also need to work on a base level of good fitness & health .

It takes me a long time to get to good levels of running and many times after a pois state all of my gains in running are gone and I have to start again from square one it feels like .. but I am taking this all a lot more conciuosly  now ..

I am working on building my vitamin D levels up , which I knew was low .. and I want to maintain them.. this is something totally new for me, but I think it?s crucial.

I have to keep on top of gum and mouth health .. this is a reminder for me to mouthwash before going to bed !

I haven?t tried regular niacin yet.. but maybe I will add that into my routine in October .. already have a lot of things I am supplementing right now.