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Covid 19 Long Haulers
« on: July 16, 2020, 01:41:31 PM »
Hi,
I fear I maybe a covid 19 Long Hauler.
March 21 I had suffered from what a cardiologist described as a heart infection. I was admitted to the hospital because of extreme shallow breath and chest pains.

After the diagnosis I suffered from extreme Fatigue, mental confusion, and waves of shallow breath. Fast forward to 3 weeks ago. I develop acid reflux at the age of 28 and have never had problems with diet and am only 125 lbs. Heart burn was excruciating. Went to the hospital because of the pain and they told me it was a viral infection ( which is funny because the symptoms of my heart infection had not gone away)

This whole time I had not been tested for covid because my doctors did not see a fever or see a problem with my lungs.

I'm posting my story here because I have suspected that I may have what some call long haul covid 19. I have watched many videos on the news ( including one last night on CNN) of people with similar stories.

BUT here is where it gets interesting.. minus the degree of shortness of breath and heart burn.. the symptoms just feel like a really bad POIS episode. The cognitive effects people report such as brain fog and ability to find words in speech seem particularly similar!

I am just wondering.. if the immunological response that these people face correlates to POIS. I have heard many doctors mention T cell in their research...

Just a post by someone whose suffered from POIS for 12 years
Symptoms: Brain Fog,  Nausea on 2nd day, Muscle/Joint Pain, Runny Nose, Premature Ejaculation, Fatigue, Depression.
Lasts: 5-8 days
Age: 19

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Re: Covid 19 Long Haulers
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2021, 07:06:44 PM »
There seems to be some similarities between Covid Long Haulers and POIS. Here's a good article about treating Long Covid with Niacin.


https://nkalex.medium.com/the-team-of-front-line-doctors-and-biohackers-who-seem-to-have-solved-long-covid-5f9852f1101d

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Re: Covid 19 Long Haulers
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2021, 07:37:43 PM »
There seems to be some similarities between Covid Long Haulers and POIS. Here's a good article about treating Long Covid with Niacin.


https://nkalex.medium.com/the-team-of-front-line-doctors-and-biohackers-who-seem-to-have-solved-long-covid-5f9852f1101d

Thanks, I have copied your article to the POIS thread on the phoenix rising forum as well:
https://forums.phoenixrising.me/threads/postorgasmic-illness-syndrome-pois.81982/page-2#post-2316968

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Re: Covid 19 Long Haulers
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2021, 11:08:42 AM »
Thanks MrMoonJr.
Yes, the symptoms describe for the Long COVID syndrome looks a lot like POIS symptoms:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_COVID , in particular see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_COVID#List_of_symptoms

Here is another source of data on this topic:
"A follow-up study of COVID-19 consequences in 1,733 patients discharged from the hospital in Wuhan, China after 6 months reported fatigue or muscle weakness (63%), sleep difficulties (26%), and anxiety or depression (23%) were the most common symptoms. Lung function, as measured by CT showing interstitial change and 6-minute walking distance, was less than the lower limit of normal for 22-56% across different severity scales. [168]"( from a site I have access thourgh my profession, so cannot link to the article.  The ref 168 is https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32656-8/fulltext.  OF note is that they cite the psychological problems, not cited much in the wikipedia article. )
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Re: Covid 19 Long Haulers
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2021, 01:13:10 PM »
I think a virus could have reprogrammed mast cells as in changed their phenotype. The long haulers are now stuck with abnormal responding mast cells.

I had a flu back in januari 2020 (could have been COVID i don't know). The strange thing was that, there was emphasis on my lungs. Plus random volumetric distributions of tissue throughout the body were being excited in a domino-like (chaining) fashion, it starts at one spot and then it spreads out like a wave. These things happen less frequently usually by various triggers but whatever virus it was it just sped up the frequency and was going wild. You could call them flares as well.

My two cents is that reactive mast cells responded to the virus and chained neighbouring cells.   
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Re: Covid 19 Long Haulers
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2021, 01:31:39 PM »
I think a virus could have reprogrammed mast cells as in changed their phenotype. The long haulers are now stuck with abnormal responding mast cells.

I had a flu back in januari 2020 (could have been COVID i don't know). The strange thing was that, there was emphasis on my lungs. Plus random volumetric distributions of tissue throughout the body were being excited in a domino-like (chaining) fashion, it starts at one spot and then it spreads out like a wave. These things happen less frequently usually by various triggers but whatever virus it was it just sped up the frequency and was going wild. You could call them flares as well.

My two cents is that reactive mast cells responded to the virus and chained neighbouring cells.
Maybe POIS is this sort of domino activation effect too once initially induced by some infections in the past?

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Re: Covid 19 Long Haulers
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2021, 01:51:07 PM »
Maybe POIS is this sort of domino activation effect too once initially induced by some infections in the past?

That's a possibility.