Niacin vs. Niacinamide

[tantalus]

Daveman is not online unfortionally.....

I am in the mood for a fun trial!!  but dont know how often and how long i can stretch it.

so...: does enybody know how often I can ejaculate after taken niacin and between howmanny hours?
(22:22:09) tantalus: does niacin protect me still after 3 or 6 hours?
(22:22:39) tantalus: so may i have more as only one time an orgasm?
(22:23:38) tantalus: and whot is the maximum time after taken niacine to have sex again?

dont let me wait to long      thanks

[jivetalk]

Daveman is not online unfortionally.....

I am in the mood for a fun trial!!  but dont know how often and how long i can stretch it.

so...: does enybody know how often I can ejaculate after taken niacin and between howmanny hours?
(22:22:09) tantalus: does niacin protect me still after 3 or 6 hours?
(22:22:39) tantalus: so may i have more as only one time an orgasm?
(22:23:38) tantalus: and whot is the maximum time after taken niacine to have sex again?

dont let me wait to long      thanks

Tantalus, sounds like fun:)

My experiences is as many as you can handle in that time. If the current thinking holds true the Niacin should protect you.

JT

[Daveman]

Daveman is not online unfortionally.....

I am in the mood for a fun trial!!  but dont know how often and how long i can stretch it.

so...: does enybody know how often I can ejaculate after taken niacin and between howmanny hours?
(22:22:09) tantalus: does niacin protect me still after 3 or 6 hours?
(22:22:39) tantalus: so may i have more as only one time an orgasm?
(22:23:38) tantalus: and whot is the maximum time after taken niacine to have sex again?

dont let me wait to long      thanks

Tantalus, sounds like fun:)

My experiences is as many as you can handle in that time. If the current thinking holds true the Niacin should protect you.

JT

Perhaps we're each different, but As I understand it, all the niacin is out of the system after 6 hours.

But it seems that there is a peak at about 1 hour and after that it starts to fade off, finally getting to zero after six.

So my guess would be that the best would be within about 3 hrs.

While niacin is in your system, it "Seems" to convert the niacin, during your orgasms, into somethign the system needs. Each orgasm uses up some of the niacin.

I can only do one, more than that and I feel the effects of POIS more strongly. Others have better luck, can do more.

I can do a second orgasm within 2 days (with niacin each time), but then have to wait about a week at least to "catch up".

But that's me.

let us know what happens in your case!!

[tantalus]

h? Daveman, precious  man! Feel  touched by your so honest and precise answer (s). Your wive must have done a verry good choice to choose you as friend. I feel almost  envy.....but serious now....I will keep the forum informed about my niacin adventure. Until now no drama after my orgy yesterday.

[Daveman]

h? Daveman, precious  man! Feel  touched by your so honest and precise answer (s). Your wive must have done a verry good choice to choose you as friend. I feel almost  envy.....but serious now....I will keep the forum informed about my niacin adventure. Until now no drama after my orgy yesterday.

That's great about the no drama after so much actiivty!

Good for you!

[Suppertime]

After the fourth orgasm and fourth intake of Niacin, it's safe to say it actually works quite well. I still feel the POIS but not as significantly.

Question though, how safe is Niacin if I'm taking 100mg 4 times a week? I plan on cutting back to make once every two weeks (I'm single). I read that it can cause liver damage or worse, blindness.

I just had my first flush last night too. My skin was all itchy and it was incredibly uncomfortable. I bared through it though.

[Daveman]

After the fourth orgasm and fourth intake of Niacin, it's safe to say it actually works quite well. I still feel the POIS but not as significantly.

Question though, how safe is Niacin if I'm taking 100mg 4 times a week? I plan on cutting back to make once every two weeks (I'm single). I read that it can cause liver damage or worse, blindness.

I just had my first flush last night too. My skin was all itchy and it was incredibly uncomfortable. I bared through it though.

I THINK 100mg 4 times per week is probably OK, although it wouldn't hurt to check the liver every 4 months or so.

Taking it often might lower your sensitivity to it meaning you may have to start taking more to get the same effects.

As far as the itch and burning sensation, it seems you start to get used to it.

[Egordon]

Hey Guys,

Dropping by because i've gotten some requests for an update on my Niacinamide use.

I've pretty much discontinued use altogether. From the few months that I used it, I did find that it was a semi effective way to mitigate symptoms when you found yourself in the midst of POIS. But I also found that it wasn't a very effective way to prevent the onset of those symptoms. To get relief I used to take between 200 and 400mg.  I'd always start with 200 and elevate depending on how I felt.

[Daveman]

Thanks EGordon,

Those who have found it effective have taken for 1000mg to 1500mg. I don't know if it works only for those that also have success with niacin and / or to the same degree, or if it works even for those for which niacin doesn't work.

Still more work to do with niacinamide testing I'm afraid!

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[Jon]

Guys, I believe that niacin has helped in my case as have other supplements.

I believe that inflammation is one of the primary causes for my POIS in my case. I am 25 years old and doing my best to work in my family's business. My groin discomfort, Eye inflammation and cognitive symptoms seem to go hand in hand. These things are especially bad the first day after orgasm with my hardly able to open my eyes outdoors. I also have cardiovascular problems with improper breathing and so fourth. Whether the inflammation is caused by an allergic reaction I have yet to discover. I have not had much relief from benadryl but Niacin has helped me. My groin discomfort feels like a very inflamed prostatitis but I have had it checked.

As I mentioned before, My cognitive symptoms are pretty sever and can be almost schizophrenic like. There was a span of about 5 or 6 months where I was taking Niacin prior to orgasm and some vitamins afterwards and I had no discomfort/flu symptoms and I had reduced cognitive symptoms.

Niacin has without question helped me, but more so before than now. Sometimes I must take 200 to get a flush other times I must take 500 to get a flush. I still am not sure what the root cause of the problem is. When I was feeling better I began to realize just how mentally debilitated I was. Inflammation is definitely a big part of it for me, whether or not it is caused by allergic reactions I am not sure. These things could lead to circulation issues and other things. The catecholamines, as kurtosis had mentioned, also has a lot to do with orgasm.

I also wonder how a possible allergic or inflammation problems could hurt dopamine during orgasm. While we haven't found a cure, we are getting closer.

If anybody would like to chat message me.

Jon.

[Going less Crazy]

Jon I was like you a while ago with all of the eye symptoms.  My eyes looked bloodshot as if I just got high off of something.  I guess just managing my condition is making it better.  I no longer get the eye problem.  The different dosages you are describing probably has to do with what you had previously eaten (obviously not telling you something you don't know).  As for the dopamine I don't think it hurts it.  But if the area is inflammed it might do something to it, like alter its pathways or production.

In response to a previous post.  I think Niacin makes POIS worse if you take it after orgasm.  At least that is how it is for me.  I guess it might be circulating more histamine, leading to a more aggravated response.  That is why using it beforehand works the best.  It uses all of it up for nothing but a niacin flush.  Taking niacin first, and than having the big "O", the sperm allergy or whatever it is is not met with histamines, leading it to further and be easily expelled by the body whether that is through the blood stream or bowels.

[Daveman]

Guys, I believe that niacin has helped in my case as have other supplements.

I believe that inflammation is one of the primary causes for my POIS in my case. I am 25 years old and doing my best to work in my family's business. My groin discomfort, Eye inflammation and cognitive symptoms seem to go hand in hand. These things are especially bad the first day after orgasm with my hardly able to open my eyes outdoors. I also have cardiovascular problems with improper breathing and so fourth. Whether the inflammation is caused by an allergic reaction I have yet to discover. I have not had much relief from benadryl but Niacin has helped me. My groin discomfort feels like a very inflamed prostatitis but I have had it checked.

As I mentioned before, My cognitive symptoms are pretty sever and can be almost schizophrenic like. There was a span of about 5 or 6 months where I was taking Niacin prior to orgasm and some vitamins afterwards and I had no discomfort/flu symptoms and I had reduced cognitive symptoms.

Niacin has without question helped me, but more so before than now. Sometimes I must take 200 to get a flush other times I must take 500 to get a flush. I still am not sure what the root cause of the problem is. When I was feeling better I began to realize just how mentally debilitated I was. Inflammation is definitely a big part of it for me, whether or not it is caused by allergic reactions I am not sure. These things could lead to circulation issues and other things. The catecholamines, as kurtosis had mentioned, also has a lot to do with orgasm.

I also wonder how a possible allergic or inflammation problems could hurt dopamine during orgasm. While we haven't found a cure, we are getting closer.

If anybody would like to chat message me.

Jon.

As far as the change in dosage, I found the same. I seemed to go on a run of needing to take at least 500mg just to get a light flush.

But it seemed to boil down to two things:

The niacin has to be fresh, and when not used kept WELL sealed and in a cool dark place. I got a new supply and BAM super effective.

Also there is no way around the fasting limitations. AT LEAST 4 hrs if you want to do it with 200mg or less. (It seems this includes alcohol) Any liver intensive consumption may require even more abstencion prior.

I was quite worried that it was wearing off, until I tested at 7 am after getting up (and fasting for 10 hours). Thank goodness I only took 100mg. I got a good solid flush and had next to no POIS.

[Jon]

Daveman and Going less crazy, Thank you for the responses.

Yes, I have been taking the niacin before orgasm. It is much more effective this way as you have stated.

Going less crazy, How have you stopped the eye problems? The burning, swelling and such is driving me crazy.

[jivetalk]

Just came across a very interesting article on Niacin and Slow release forms of Niacin. In it, he argues that the Immediate release (nicotinic Acid) is not only safe but VERY beneficial when taken at higher doses than the Recommended Daily Allowance. However the danger to the liver is not with the Immediate release, but rather the Slow release forms.

Check it out.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2007/mar2007_atd_01.htm

Cheers,,

JT

[Daveman]

Just came across a very interesting article on Niacin and Slow release forms of Niacin. In it, he argues that the Immediate release (nicotinic Acid) is not only safe but VERY beneficial when taken at higher doses than the Recommended Daily Allowance. However the danger to the liver is not with the Immediate release, but rather the Slow release forms.

Check it out.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2007/mar2007_atd_01.htm

Cheers,,

JT

Thanks JT,

I bought some 500mg capsules, that didn't say slow release, but were! I took 500mg, in 200 mg amounts (the last 100 of course) and when I didn't get a flsuh I stopped. About 1 our later I started to get a flush which lasted longer than normal.

I didn't have an orgasm, because had given up for the night, but the next day my liver was very sensitive. Could hardly eat for the whole day!!

Even for the next 2 days I was out of sorts!!

Very surprised that the bottle didn't say slow release anywhere. even warned of the potential for light flush.

[vetrofragile79]

niacinamide is or not the long term release niacin ?? or non flush version.. i'm confused

[Daveman]

There are roughly four types:
Pure niacin
Buffered naicin
chemically altered naicin
Niacinamide

The Buffered is regular naicin with a coating that prevents quick integration into the system, and releases amounts slowly over time.
Chemically altered are chemicals based on niacin but designed not to flush (among other things.)
And niacinamide which I guess is a chemically altered naicin too but with the difference that it does seem to be effective (for our purposes)

The chemically altered (not niacinamide) works porrly if at all for POIS. They say that it doesn't really even work for the typical function of reducing cholesterol.

The buffered is complicated becasue it realeases the niacin slowly and really makes it difficult for it to do the conversions it needs to do to help prevent POIS symptoms.

Niacinamide, most who have tried it say, works well if taken in doses of over 1000mg. Since it doesn't give a flush, it's hard to measure if you've taken enough. But it seems that it is much less dependent on stomach content. If I remember well, niacinamide  can be take daily reducing the need to take it exactly one hour before orgasm... but I'm not real sure of those details. We really need to work more with niacinamide.

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[poisioq]

what is for you guys a good flush? and a light one?