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« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2019, 10:58:42 AM »
Just a crazy idea: do you think it may be possible to test for mercury ... our sperm?

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« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2019, 03:51:21 PM »
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Look up Andy Cutler, he thought mercury was likely behind a number of mysterious diseases.

Yes, it seems there are certain ways to get mysterious diseases. I visited a neurologist recently, and he asked me a bunch of questions that have been discussed here in the forum. I include some that I remember:
-- have you had exposure to heavy metals?
-- have you been beaten by a thick?
-- do you have a dog?

What does one need to do in order to properly get tested for levels of mercury? I understand now that it is not just a simple blood or urine test, unfortunately. But what kind of doctor should one visit?

Andy thought the best test was any reaction to ALA (Alpha Lipoic Acid), either a positive or negative,  preferably dosed according to his protocol. ALA must not be taken until you have removed all amalgam, including any amalgam specks left over after drilling, and this is confirmed by a intra-oral bitewing X-ray by a dentist trained in amalgam removal.

Just a crazy idea: do you think it may be possible to test for mercury ... our sperm?

Maybe, but I think POIS is caused by mercury damaging the nervous system and/or brain and it isn't the sperm that causes POIS but the interaction of mercury with the neurochemical/hormonal systems involved in ejaculation.

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Re: POIS - a complication of Mercury Toxicity? Porphyria?
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2019, 01:04:46 AM »
Apparently, though, it is extremely difficult to have all of your amalgam leftovers completely removed. I checked with a dentist. The reason is that sometimes we may have leftover amalgam pieces underneath crowns, from old fillings on top of which crowns were placed. Thus, to have all amalgams absolutely and completely removed, one must first replace all of their crowns. This is really difficult and costly.

Isn't there another reliable way to test for mercury, without first removing all of your amalgams?

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Re: POIS - a complication of Mercury Toxicity? Porphyria?
« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2019, 10:11:24 AM »
i had braces for 4 years, might have been the case that it released chems

i also got stung on my gf copper spiral once, hurt a lot in the dick, could be something

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« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2019, 10:42:19 AM »
I found some more support for a possible mercury explanation. According to p. 500-501 in this book https://books.google.ch/books?id=EMpUAgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false,
, mercury poisoning can cause 4 types of symptoms:

1) neurological (some nerves not functioning properly, causing things like depression, fatigue),
2) reproductive (reduced numbers of sperm, testicular atrophy),
3) cardiovascular (abnormal heartbeats, reduced sympathetic and parasympathetic functions of the heart, atherosclerosis),
4) autoimmune reactions.

These have all been appearing in this forum. Possibly the truth would be in one of these four, with the underlying cause being mercury (at the moment, I support 3, the cardiovascular theory).

I've read that while indeed urine and blood are not reliable tests for mercury, it seems that hair or nails are considered actually relatively reliable. These are easy to test. I will try with nails, since it would be harder for me to take a hair sample, it has to be from the back of my head. It's too bad I cut my fingers yesterday, I am really impatient to see them grown again, then I will immediate send nail samples to a lab (I found a fancy and expensive, hopefully good one) for inspection. It will be a test not only for mercury, but also for a bunch of about 50 other heavy metals. This is my top priority. I will then report the results here in the forum.

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« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2019, 10:55:55 AM »
*cut my nails, I mean.

Here is another interesting read, with brain fog caused by heavy metals: https://medium.com/better-humans/how-to-test-for-heavy-toxic-metals-and-why-its-a-good-idea-4d683e3a0e47

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« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2019, 12:06:23 PM »
Hi, Yohhn from ns did it, provoked one showed wery high lewels.
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2695.msg25353#msg25353
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« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2019, 03:51:06 AM »
My POIS started on a very specific date that I was able to look up through my sms history. Through my google calendar, I looked up my last dentist appointment before that. And yes, the onset of my POIS was right with the first or second orgasm after a 1-hour dentist appointment. I can't recall what that appointment involved, though - maybe an amalgam removal.

Can anyone else connect the onset of their POIS with a dentist visit?

Maybe this is just a coincidence, or maybe it is further support for the mercury theory. I am taking this thread extremely seriously, thanks a lot for posting here and sharing the mercury theory insights.  Again, my next step is to do the nails test and to read some of Andy Cutler's books.

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« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2019, 07:18:24 AM »
My POIS started on a very specific date that I was able to look up through my sms history. Through my google calendar, I looked up my last dentist appointment before that. And yes, the onset of my POIS was right with the first or second orgasm after a 1-hour dentist appointment. I can't recall what that appointment involved, though - maybe an amalgam removal.

Can anyone else connect the onset of their POIS with a dentist visit?

Maybe this is just a coincidence, or maybe it is further support for the mercury theory. I am taking this thread extremely seriously, thanks a lot for posting here and sharing the mercury theory insights.  Again, my next step is to do the nails test and to read some of Andy Cutler's books.

I never connected this at the time but I used to get terrible headaches which slowly progressed to POIS when I was 13. Around that time was when I had my first and only amalgam in.
I found some more support for a possible mercury explanation. According to p. 500-501 in this book https://books.google.ch/books?id=EMpUAgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false,
, mercury poisoning can cause 4 types of symptoms:

1) neurological (some nerves not functioning properly, causing things like depression, fatigue),
2) reproductive (reduced numbers of sperm, testicular atrophy),
3) cardiovascular (abnormal heartbeats, reduced sympathetic and parasympathetic functions of the heart, atherosclerosis),
4) autoimmune reactions.

These have all been appearing in this forum. Possibly the truth would be in one of these four, with the underlying cause being mercury (at the moment, I support 3, the cardiovascular theory).

I've read that while indeed urine and blood are not reliable tests for mercury, it seems that hair or nails are considered actually relatively reliable. These are easy to test. I will try with nails, since it would be harder for me to take a hair sample, it has to be from the back of my head. It's too bad I cut my fingers yesterday, I am really impatient to see them grown again, then I will immediate send nail samples to a lab (I found a fancy and expensive, hopefully good one) for inspection. It will be a test not only for mercury, but also for a bunch of about 50 other heavy metals. This is my top priority. I will then report the results here in the forum.
Hair tests can show low mercury and you still can be toxic and are not definitive, Andy has a set of rules for diagnosing mercury toxicity through hair tests, I don't know them.

Apparently, though, it is extremely difficult to have all of your amalgam leftovers completely removed. I checked with a dentist. The reason is that sometimes we may have leftover amalgam pieces underneath crowns, from old fillings on top of which crowns were placed. Thus, to have all amalgams absolutely and completely removed, one must first replace all of their crowns. This is really difficult and costly.

Isn't there another reliable way to test for mercury, without first removing all of your amalgams?
It is extremely difficult, but you can find a IAOMT certified dentist who knows the SMART procedure for removal. Unfortunately it can be expensive but experience shows time and time again from other cases absolutely every single tiny speck needs to be removed, otherwise you don't improve and may get worse.
« Last Edit: August 30, 2019, 07:20:25 AM by JohnJames »

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Re: POIS - a complication of Mercury Toxicity? Porphyria?
« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2019, 10:55:00 AM »
Intresting, poisers and comon premature ejaculation...
https://www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=1639907
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Re: POIS - a complication of Mercury Toxicity? Porphyria?
« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2019, 05:35:08 PM »
Intresting, poisers and comon premature ejaculation...
https://www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=1639907
Interesting, though I have no Mercury amalgam. He did mention a bit about his lower abdomenal muscles getting stronger after removing the amalgam. Maybe strengthening this muscle could be beneficial for premature ejaculation?

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Re: POIS - a complication of Mercury Toxicity? Porphyria?
« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2019, 06:15:52 PM »
Is mercury redistibution in body, brain, cbf-fluid  our answer?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/037842749390022P

A we hawe mercury retention and redistribution on
exscesiwe neurohormonal exchange during normall body
reaction after ejaculation?

Since small amouts of mercury is wery neurotoxic...
So... to some of us acts on dopamine , some of on acetylcholine,
some on serotonin, norepinephrine...
Is this why we all different in type of pois? I wonder?
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« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2019, 05:07:02 AM »
Intresting, poisers and comon premature ejaculation...
https://www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=1639907

I wish this were true, but I am a little skeptical because any health problems due to mercury would be due to mercury in the organs (including brain) and not so much due to mercury currently in the amalgam fillings in the mouth. Even the most fierce proponents of the mercury toxicity/amalgam illness theory say that one should not expect immediate health improvements right after the removal of the amalgams - those would only come on a next stage with the detoxification.

But, who knows - interesting link, giving some encouragement.



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« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2019, 04:05:27 PM »
There we go, I got my nails mineral analysis test results. They do show that I have some mercury - within limits (20% of what the lab range regards as safe). However, as was pointed out above in this threat, mercury will not show up as elevated in a hair/nails (let alone blood or urine) mineral analysis test even if it is. Moreover, it may be an allergy/hypersensitivity to mercury that is causing the mercury poisoning symptoms, so it doesn't have to be off limits to bring problems. 

Significantly, a bunch of my other essential and other micro elements are below the lower limit. Namely, chromium, vanadium,molybdenum,cobalt, iron are all below the norm. Germanium is quite low, almost hitting the blue zone, though still in the green.

In his book on hair test interpretation (https://books.google.ch/books/about/Hair_Test_Interpretation.html?id=U765adeBPlEC&redir_esc=y), Andy Cutler talks about "deranged mineral transport." He looks at a list of 23 "essential and other" micro elements (tested in popular labs in the US) and gives 5 counting rules for determining if one has deranged mineral transport. The elements that my lab (it's in Germany) tested are not exactly the ones listed by Cutler in his book, so I can't apply all of his rules. However, I can still test his counting rule 3, according to which, if one has 4 or more essential elements in the extreme, this plainly means deranged mineral transport. I have, in fact 5 at the extreme (in the low end), and maybe I should even count 6, if I include germanium. Therefore, my test results imply deranged mineral transport.

Cutler says that mercury can cause such deranged mineral transport - it is the root cause for this. Come on, I eat meat every single day, why do I have low iron? This doesn't make sense. I am not going to be taking molybdenum tablets, obviously - a healthy person would have sufficient molybdenum (haven't even heard of it until now). I eat lots of cheese, so I should be doing fine with cobalt and chromium. I am not. The point Cutler makes is that strange-looking hair test results may be (not sure of his language: "may be" vs. "is" vs. "is likely to be") due to mercury.

I have to say, I've been reading a lot about Andy Cutler and a lot from his book on Amalgam Illness. I am not going to trust everything he says 100%, but I think he is a very smart person with a significant contribution to the health of many. His thesis is simply that there is a lot of undiagnosed mercury toxicity out there and the proof for this is that mercury toxicity treatment simply gives positive results. I now plan to start the process, first step being the removal of all amalgam specks in my mouth. Thanks for starting this threat and for contributing to it, I will add updates when I have any.




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« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2019, 01:36:06 PM »
There we go, I got my nails mineral analysis test results. They do show that I have some mercury - within limits (20% of what the lab range regards as safe). However, as was pointed out above in this threat, mercury will not show up as elevated in a hair/nails (let alone blood or urine) mineral analysis test even if it is. Moreover, it may be an allergy/hypersensitivity to mercury that is causing the mercury poisoning symptoms, so it doesn't have to be off limits to bring problems. 

Significantly, a bunch of my other essential and other micro elements are below the lower limit. Namely, chromium, vanadium,molybdenum,cobalt, iron are all below the norm. Germanium is quite low, almost hitting the blue zone, though still in the green.

In his book on hair test interpretation (https://books.google.ch/books/about/Hair_Test_Interpretation.html?id=U765adeBPlEC&redir_esc=y), Andy Cutler talks about "deranged mineral transport." He looks at a list of 23 "essential and other" micro elements (tested in popular labs in the US) and gives 5 counting rules for determining if one has deranged mineral transport. The elements that my lab (it's in Germany) tested are not exactly the ones listed by Cutler in his book, so I can't apply all of his rules. However, I can still test his counting rule 3, according to which, if one has 4 or more essential elements in the extreme, this plainly means deranged mineral transport. I have, in fact 5 at the extreme (in the low end), and maybe I should even count 6, if I include germanium. Therefore, my test results imply deranged mineral transport.

Cutler says that mercury can cause such deranged mineral transport - it is the root cause for this. Come on, I eat meat every single day, why do I have low iron? This doesn't make sense. I am not going to be taking molybdenum tablets, obviously - a healthy person would have sufficient molybdenum (haven't even heard of it until now). I eat lots of cheese, so I should be doing fine with cobalt and chromium. I am not. The point Cutler makes is that strange-looking hair test results may be (not sure of his language: "may be" vs. "is" vs. "is likely to be") due to mercury.

I have to say, I've been reading a lot about Andy Cutler and a lot from his book on Amalgam Illness. I am not going to trust everything he says 100%, but I think he is a very smart person with a significant contribution to the health of many. His thesis is simply that there is a lot of undiagnosed mercury toxicity out there and the proof for this is that mercury toxicity treatment simply gives positive results. I now plan to start the process, first step being the removal of all amalgam specks in my mouth. Thanks for starting this threat and for contributing to it, I will add updates when I have any.

Thanks, please keep us updated. I thought Cutler was a quack too when I first heard his work, but the proof is in the pudding, and theres a number of people who got their lives back due to Andy Cutler.

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« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2019, 03:22:54 AM »
Another important update: I took the MELISA test for metal allergies and I tested STRONGLY POSITIVE against inorganic mercury (this is the mercury found in amalgams).

Few people (like me) can have strong allergic reactions even to mini doses of mercury. What is considered a "safe limit" of mercury exposure does not apply to me.

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« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2019, 04:01:19 AM »
Yes, this can only happen if we hawe some tipe of hypersensitivity
to some metal , mercury for exemple...
There is a topic about hypersensitivity, tipe IV etc...
There is loads amounts of web pages about this and autoimunity ...
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« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2019, 08:27:28 AM »
Type IV hypersensitivity to heavy metals and dental materials can be tested. See second link below for more info.

LTT in allergology

Allergies to dental restorative and implant materials

You can do a second test by in vitro antigen th1/th2 cytokine testing. Link
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« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2019, 01:00:30 PM »
Muon, is melisa test wich he did acurate for this?
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« Reply #39 on: September 18, 2019, 01:30:37 PM »
Muon, is melisa test wich he did acurate for this?

No idea. The technique seems to be similar as LTT though: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MELISA