Clomid instead of TRT

[Vandemolen]

My POIS doctor gave me Clomid. He said it might help me a bit against POIS and prostatitis.
I have to take it for 3 to 6 months. And then my testosterone level will go up. Now it’s a bit low.

Link between low testosterone and prostatitis:

https://www.issm.info/news/sex-health-headlines/researchers-find-connection-between-low-testosterone-and-cp-cpps/

Thanks Hurray for the idea.

I started a new topic so everybody will see that Clomid is a potential help.

There is an interesting alternative to traditional TRT injections/gels called clomiphene (Clomid). According to the second link below, it does not have a negative effect on male fertility:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5508437/

https://www.dontcookyourballs.com/can-clomid-treat-male-infertility/

Here's a quote from another paper regarding TRT and fertility:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4854084/

"Alternatively, CC (clomiphene citrate) is commonly used as an alternative to TRT to treat hypogonadism in men wishing to preserve spermatogenesis. The ability to take an oral medicine that is relatively inexpensive and has good long-term safety data and is clinically efficacious at ameliorating hypogonadal symptoms is clearly advantageous."

[Hopeoneday]

Thanks Vander
We looking forward for positive results.

This look realy promising.

Heh like you took words from my mouth, couse thouse days i traying to resarch
naturall wey on how to incriese LH hormone and FSH.

I made comon patern and posible comon patern from poiser medical data.
(wery small amount of test result awalyable from poises)

But from those samall amount of results, a wery big amount of them
hawe a patern low testosterone hi estradiol.
See- https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2695.60
THIS LOOK LIKE SOMEBODY LOCKED OUR RECEPTORS AND TROW THE KEY
FAR FAR OWEY.

Is Clomid KEY for our relefe?


Clomid works by blocking estrogen receptors in the brain, which can increase the production of testosterone and sperm for men. Your body has a complex system for controlling its natural production of testosterone. The pituitary gland works a bit like a thermostat. When estrogen levels are low, it turns on and starts producing luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH). As estrogen levels increase, the pituitary gland shuts down. Clomid blocks the estrogen receptors in the brain and tricks it into thinking estrogen levels are low. In response, the pituitary gland continues to produce LH and FSH.

[Vandemolen]

Thanks Vander
We looking forward for positive results.

This look realy promising.

Heh like you took words from my mouth, couse thouse days i traying to resarch
naturall wey on how to incriese LH hormone and FSH.

I made comon patern and posible comon patern from poiser medical data.
(wery small amount of test result awalyable from poises)

But from those samall amount of results, a wery big amount of them
hawe a patern low testosterone hi estradiol.
See- https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2695.60
THIS LOOK LIKE SOMEBODY LOCKED OUR RECEPTORS AND TROW THE KEY
FAR FAR OWEY.

Is Clomid KEY for our relefe?


Clomid works by blocking estrogen receptors in the brain, which can increase the production of testosterone and sperm for men. Your body has a complex system for controlling its natural production of testosterone. The pituitary gland works a bit like a thermostat. When estrogen levels are low, it turns on and starts producing luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH). As estrogen levels increase, the pituitary gland shuts down. Clomid blocks the estrogen receptors in the brain and tricks it into thinking estrogen levels are low. In response, the pituitary gland continues to produce LH and FSH.

Yes at the medical results topic I saw that I am not the only one that has low testosterone (TRT) level. I think low TRT was one the many triggers why I got POIS. Few months before I noticed that I have POiS I gained 20 kilo (44 lbs) in a few months. I stopped with soccer and had a job inside. So my vitamin D must have dropped. And with the gained weight my testosterone dropped. Because of POIS I don’t excercise. That’s also a reason for low TRT. And I am only once a month sexually active. That’s not good for TRT.

But I don’t expect the same results as Demo and Green. Because they take directly TRT before sexual activity. And Green also takes Tramadol. That’s a heavy medicine. I got that after my tonsils operation. I slept more than 15 hours a day because of the Tramadol.
If Clomid helps me 25% I will be happy. And for me relief from prostitis is more important than POIS.

[Hopeoneday]

Well if you ask me, cronic prostatitis could easly produce pois in some of us.
So if raising tst give some relefe or cure, that will be heudge.

Yeah, low wit d is also comon patern for poisers.

You wright about exercise, i remeber some nice results for owerall health
in times when i did do some body weight execcises.

That help a lot for pots(postural orto...)
I am also wrigt now exersise intolerant.
Because pois damage me so hard, and nerwes do not fire as it should be
ewan out of pois, breathing isues like astma, bloating-romheld syndrome(unable to burp)
and that put preshure on heart(wagus nerwe).....POTS...etc

But i am somehow in recowering lately by my will power and trying some kind of
diets that feet me.

[Vandemolen]

Well if you ask me, cronic prostatitis could easly produce pois in some of us.
So if raising tst give some relefe or cure, that will be heudge.

Yeah, low wit d is also comon patern for poisers.

You wright about exercise, i remeber some nice results for owerall health
in times when i did do some body weight execcises.

That help a lot for pots(postural orto...)
I am also wrigt now exersise intolerant.
Because pois damage me so hard, and nerwes do not fire as it should be
ewan out of pois, breathing isues like astma, bloating-romheld syndrome(unable to burp)
and that put preshure on heart(wagus nerwe).....POTS...etc

But i am somehow in recowering lately by my will power and trying some kind of
diets that feet me.

Excercise makes me sick. I get a runny nose, eyes are irritated. So I don’t go the gym anymore. Now I just walk for two hours. I try to do these walks at least twice a week. Maybe when my testosterone level goes up I can start doing sports again.

[Scrub]

Follow your doctor's advice. I'm interested to see how it goes for you.

[Hopeoneday]

Yeah , i been in a fases when i coldnt get up from bed on my feet an ddo 10m walk to
fazes of 5km yoging, an then again exercise intorlerance( as soon as i started , get dizzy, pois like
symptomes, heating a body make this all worse, extreme temeratue outside 10time worse
(its like i am dehidrated but drinking water), all folowed by hert palpilations,
itss fell like all body nerwes do not work properly, then folow muscule stiffnes ,
endles , endles -you give all your self to get body and mind in balance but noo,
as i trayning more the condition is worse.

hmmmm wery wery nasty conditions.



Rasing T could be solution for relefe all of those symptomes.

[Vandemolen]

Follow your doctor's advice. I'm interested to see how it goes for you.

Yes I will report here how it goes. I have an appointment before Christmas. I think my testestorone will be checked after 3 months. They say the TRT level will double. That would be great. For now I have two bloodtests for my liver, as Quantum said in another topic Clomid is not so good for the liver. But I hope the side effects will not be worse because I only take 25 mg a day. Women normally take 50 mg a day.

[Vandemolen]

I am on day 2. The Clomid gives me hot flushes and I am a bit dizzy. It’s a known side effect of Clomid. Beside that I have no side effects. It’s normal because Clomid blocks estrogen. And estrogen helps against hot flushes. Beacuse the blokkage of estrogen my testosterone will go up.

I want to do this for at least 3 months and tops 6 months. Normally after 4 weeks my testosterone level must have go up.

[hurray]

My POIS doctor gave me Clomid. He said it might help me a bit against POIS and prostatitis.
I have to take it for 3 to 6 months. And then my testosterone level will go up. Now it’s a bit low.

Link between low testosterone and prostatitis:

https://www.issm.info/news/sex-health-headlines/researchers-find-connection-between-low-testosterone-and-cp-cpps/

Thanks Hurray for the idea.

I started a new topic so everybody will see that Clomid is a potential help.

That's great news Vandemolen. I really hope that Clomid can help you with POIS and your prostatitis.

Your POIS doctor sounds like a very helpful and understanding person.

[Vandemolen]

Now I don’t use Nanna’s stack anymore I am also back on Taurine. I read that taurine is good for testosterone. I also use 50.000IE vitamin D once a week.

I will ask my POIS doctor if it’s a good idea to take an extra 25mg of Clomid just before or just after sexual activity. And also extra vitamin D, taurine and Niacin.

Thanks Hurray.

[Nas]

So if we would take testosterone into consideration when we're talking about POIS. One explanation that I have for this, is perhaps testosterone plays a role in the immune reaction that we suffer from. As you know testosterone is a type of steroid and what doctors usually prescribe for cases of chronic inflammation and auto-immune diseases are chorticosteroids, as they inhibit the immune system through and increase of the production of steroids in the body. Thus, the correlation I'm trying to make here is that perhaps low testosterone plays a role in the hyper reaction we experience in POIS. Thus increasing testosterone could have the same effect as when we take a chotricosteroid drug. I'm not sure about the medical validity of this hypothesis so I would appreciate if anyone can confirm it.

[Vandemolen]

So if we would take testosterone into consideration when we're talking about POIS. One explanation that I have for this, is perhaps testosterone plays a role in the immune reaction that we suffer from. As you know testosterone is a type of steroid and what doctors usually prescribe for cases of chronic inflammation and auto-immune diseases are chorticosteroids, as they inhibit the immune system through and increase of the production of steroids in the body. Thus, the correlation I'm trying to make here is that perhaps low testosterone plays a role in the hyper reaction we experience in POIS. Thus increasing testosterone could have the same effect as when we take a chotricosteroid drug. I'm not sure about the medical validity of this hypothesis so I would appreciate if anyone can confirm it.

I don’t think so. Because by using corticosteroids like Prednisone your testosterone level will go down.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7809437

In the medical results topic I saw that a few POIS-patients have low testosterone. And because Demo and Green have benefits from TRT I also want to raise my testosterone level. But I don’t want to use TRT for the rest of my life. So that’s why I use Clomid. Even after I stop with Clomid I will still will able to produce testosterone.

Beside POIS prostatis is my main problem. What kind of men have problems with their prostate? Eldery men. The main reason is that their prostate becomes bigger every year. And it becomes bigger because the testosterone level drops down. So when my testosterone level goes up I hope that I will have less prostatis and UTI. And when I have less prostatis my POIS will also not be so heavy. Because normally I only have 1 day of POIS. But when I am sexually active while my prostate is infected I will be sick for a week.

But I don’t think Clomid will have the same effect as testosterone therapy. Because Demo and Green get the testosterone directly. Clomid only blocks estrogen. So my body will start to produce more testosterone. Some people say that after sexual activity the testosterone level drops ans stays low. At men without POIS your body produces more testosterone after sex. I don’t know it this is true. Anyway I hope that when my testosterone level is higher I will feel beter on non POIS days. And when it also will help me in POIS that would be great.

[Hopeoneday]

Yes Nas, this exectly.

As you can read about testasterone , it is involwed in meny proceses in men, from spermatogenesis to
antiinflamatory, muscule bulding-musculinity, libido,  anti-anxiety.

"In man, ewrything is about testosterone"

But acording to our resarch data from medical test results, it can be visible that comon patern in
big mayority of poisers is low testosterone and probbly hi estradiol.

So big question is- What is locked receptors in thouse people?

Thie simple ansver to this is hi estrogen, and hi estrogen in brain receptors always keap
pituitary gland low, so no signaling testicles to produce testosterone.

[Hopeoneday]

I found nice link and here explanation on estrogen influce- neurotransmitesrs-
especially serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine

https://www.hotzehwc.com/2017/06/the-brain-and-estrogen-dominance/

Can induce hypothayroism, low gaba, panic atac seizures.


Because estrogen is womans dominance hormone.

Is it posible that in our brains estrogen make all this mees?
Vasodilation in pois and migrains?=estrogen couse? =low T

[Nas]

I don’t think so. Because by using corticosteroids like Prednisone your testosterone level will go down.

True but that's because of the abundance of steroid levels in the blood already, it's similar to when the body starts producing steroids less as you continue taking chorticosteroid medications. Right?

[Nas]

I found nice link and here explanation on estrogen influce- neurotransmitesrs-
especially serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine

https://www.hotzehwc.com/2017/06/the-brain-and-estrogen-dominance/

Can induce hypothayroism, low gaba, panic atac seizures.


Because estrogen is womans dominance hormone.

Is it posible that in our brains estrogen make all this mees?
Vasodilation in pois and migrains?=estrogen couse? =low T

If this theory holds true then Clomid should help Vandermolen alot with his brain symptoms. Since it blocks estrogen.

[Vandemolen]

I don’t know the answer of your question Nas.

Well, I will test it abouth a month. After 4 weeks the testosterone level must already go up. But the full effect is after 3 months.

[Hopeoneday]

Nas, i can tell you one thing for shoure , is  that low or lower range testasterone in man is not
normal, espesualy if it hawe hi estrogen.

Evan in womans who hawe elewated estrogen then normal, could hawe meny helt isues in long term.

[Hopeoneday]

My POIS doctor gave me Clomid. He said it might help me a bit against POIS and prostatitis.
I have to take it for 3 to 6 months. And then my testosterone level will go up. Now it’s a bit low.

Link between low testosterone and prostatitis:

https://www.issm.info/news/sex-health-headlines/researchers-find-connection-between-low-testosterone-and-cp-cpps/

Thanks Hurray for the idea.

I started a new topic so everybody will see that Clomid is a potential help.

That's great news Vandemolen. I really hope that Clomid can help you with POIS and your prostatitis.

Your POIS doctor sounds like a very helpful and understanding person.

Hurray , thanks for sugestion.