Observing my self and test on visual sexual arousal

[mike_sweden]

i would also say that arousal induces pois in me

i had sex with girlfriend last night, without ejaculation, and yes i have breathing issues today

very often my chest tightens and i get a bad posture

[Investigator]

I've just read the first two of the 3 articles that Muon suggests. Thanks for sharing them, here are some comments:

1) In the first article, it says that MCs can release vasodilating substances (even though the paragraph is more about women during pregnancy). However, for us POISers, the problem comes from something constricting vessels - vasodilation generally helps. Also, it says that MC activation increases libido - for us, it decreases it. At least from that article, I don't see a link between MC activation and our symptoms.

2) In the second article, I like that POIS is mentioned. This article makes me think: are there women who show (hypersensitivity or some other kind of) reaction after oral sex (or any other type of contact with their partner's seminal fluid or even precum)? One can distinguish two cases:

a) Maybe our sperm contains something bad ("toxic chemicals" - to quote Hom) that triggers an allergic (or better to say - a hypersensitivity) reaction. I wish there were women in contact with my sperm so I can test if they feel any symptoms 2 or 3 days after oral sex with me. I really wish I could make this experiment. That would be evidence there is something wrong with the fluid.

b) Maybe our sperm/precum is just fine, just like everybody else's sperm, but there is something wrong in our body that triggers the reaction. If this is the case, however, then, I would expect there to be a parallel symptom for women developing an allergic reaction when in contact with their partner's seminal fluid. Something like "post-seminal-fluid-contact-illness-syndrome".
So many marriages out there, all women in marriage have a prolonged contact with their partner's seminal fluid over a long period of time, sooner or later (assuming the hypothesis of the body developing an intolerance to the actual liquid), we would hear about women who develop symptoms after contact with their partner's sperm. Do you think there is such a condition for women? Never heard of one. Whether or not there is could be a hint for us. My guess is that there is no such analogue for women (although it may be possible that it is just not documented, as it is easily treatable - just by avoiding contact with partner's sperm).

These are meant to test the hypothesis of something wrong happening as a result of contact with the liquid. Of course, there is also the possibility of something wrong happening during the process of releasing the liquid.

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All in all, yes, I like the idea that the process of ejaculation triggers mast cell activation. Or the activation of some other type of cells that are involved in type-IV allergies.

[Muon]

I do remember a girl from school who showed up one day with a swollen face, especially the lips, at school. She did not know how this happened but she told me, and I was surprised she was so open about it, that she had oral sex for the first time the day before.

[demografx]

I hate POIS so much, it belies logic.  When I found this forum, I thought finally I'll get some solution, but here we are, step 1 on a staircase with 100 floors to go.  Still glad to know that there are people out that understand it.

You just described my 12 years here at the forum.

[Eliasjoelrivera]

I've just read the first two of the 3 articles that Muon suggests. Thanks for sharing them, here are some comments:
por eso muchachos nosotros estamos despertando el pois. es una pregunta casi NEUR?TICA estamos reprimiendo todo pensamiento sexual o tenemos temor y mandamos una se?al a nuestro cerebro que despierta el sistema inmune y produce inflamaci?n del nervio vago.
el pois tiene una causa PSICOSOMATICA.
lo comprobado yo mismo.
es producido por NIVELES DE ESTRES en nuestro cerebro.

esperiencia propia:
comence a tener miedo que mi liquido pre-eyaculatorio fuera de semen. lo revisaba para saber si era semen, lo tocaba, lo miraba. con el tiempo y el temor comence a tener miedo que no saliera semen y me di cuenta que desarrolle pois por pre-eyaculacion. luego comence a tener miedo de que no saliera este y temi por mis pensamientos sexuales .... adivinen que .... desarrolle pois por solo tener los pensamientos.
conclusi?n:
la mente es muy poderosa. nuestros pensamientos tienen poder. nosotros estamos ordenando al sistema inmune que actue este proceso y causa inflamaci?n del nervio vago.
1) In the first article, it says that MCs can release vasodilating substances (even though the paragraph is more about women during pregnancy). However, for us POISers, the problem comes from something constricting vessels - vasodilation generally helps. Also, it says that MC activation increases libido - for us, it decreases it. At least from that article, I don't see a link between MC activation and our symptoms.

2) In the second article, I like that POIS is mentioned. This article makes me think: are there women who show (hypersensitivity or some other kind of) reaction after oral sex (or any other type of contact with their partner's seminal fluid or even precum)? One can distinguish two cases:

a) Maybe our sperm contains something bad ("toxic chemicals" - to quote Hom) that triggers an allergic (or better to say - a hypersensitivity) reaction. I wish there were women in contact with my sperm so I can test if they feel any symptoms 2 or 3 days after oral sex with me. I really wish I could make this experiment. That would be evidence there is something wrong with the fluid.

b) Maybe our sperm/precum is just fine, just like everybody else's sperm, but there is something wrong in our body that triggers the reaction. If this is the case, however, then, I would expect there to be a parallel symptom for women developing an allergic reaction when in contact with their partner's seminal fluid. Something like "post-seminal-fluid-contact-illness-syndrome".
So many marriages out there, all women in marriage have a prolonged contact with their partner's seminal fluid over a long period of time, sooner or later (assuming the hypothesis of the body developing an intolerance to the actual liquid), we would hear about women who develop symptoms after contact with their partner's sperm. Do you think there is such a condition for women? Never heard of one. Whether or not there is could be a hint for us. My guess is that there is no such analogue for women (although it may be possible that it is just not documented, as it is easily treatable - just by avoiding contact with partner's sperm).

These are meant to test the hypothesis of something wrong happening as a result of contact with the liquid. Of course, there is also the possibility of something wrong happening during the process of releasing the liquid.

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All in all, yes, I like the idea that the process of ejaculation triggers mast cell activation. Or the activation of some other type of cells that are involved in type-IV allergies.

When we age, our immune system causes more inflammation and the nervous system generates stress, it is the way the immune system responds to the mind. Our immune system is controlled by the vagus nerve.

Working our mind and emotions with positive practices, such as meditation or equivalent, help health and longevity. If we feel acute anxiety or have a lot of stress, learning vagus nerve stimulation techniques can be very helpful.
Indeed, our experiences or, rather, the way of understanding or assuming day-to-day problems, can lead us to suffer from what is currently known as chronic stress. It is true that maintaining a certain tension can be positive in trying to solve the everyday problems that we can all face, but our inability to deactivate this physiological response will cause the problems to appear soon. This involves the activation of two pathways that start from the brain: Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Adrenal Axis / Brain-Intestine Axis.

 

Chronic stress (caused by great tragedies or overloads maintained over time, including those of physical origin), can greatly influence our immune system, although the mechanisms are not entirely clear, they involve the activation of the hypothalamic-pituitary axis -adrenal. The main response of the brain to stress is the increase in the production of hormones (CRF) that travel from the hypothalamus to the pituitary gland where it induces the release of another hormone (ACTH) which, in turn travels through the bloodstream to the adrenal glands to release cortisol - and adrenaline -, which is a potent immune system suppressant and a precursor to inflammation.

 

This type of chronic stress could have disastrous effects on the body and brain. Chronic adrenaline and cortisol exposure could be related to cardiovascular diseases, visceral obesity, high blood pressure, cancer, immune system problems, diabetes, osteoporosis, deterioration of intestinal flora and increased intestinal permeability. Initially cortisol levels inhibit macrophage activation by blocking the production and action of inflammatory cytokines that initiate the immune response, something essential to "cut off" the inflammatory cascade that starts in response to an aggression, but an exposure Permanent high levels of cortisol could induce desensitization of these glucocorticoid receptors in immune cells by altering control over inflammation and increasing the production of inflammatory cytokines.
the intertwined causes that awaken the real symptoms of pois. that is, our immune system is reacting to our fears of our stress.
are somehow NEUROTIC issues, PSYCHOSOMATIC TYPE, FOR CHRONIC STRESS.
find out. I think I hit the key.

[Spartak]

Testing again.
After 3.5 monnths in hard mode apstinence.

I tested this in relaxed, not stresed state, checked my breathing and ewerything relaxed during test.
I do visal sexual arousal on  max
on , on purpose, to the point of feeling small pre ejaculating muscule yerks.

After 20 min visual sexual arousal
i get 40% pois (my body and brain are in inflamed weak pois state).
After that i get buzzing tinitus
and pois 40% for 1 to 2 days.

So hi sexual arosoul induce
pois in my case,
no masturbation in this test,
no ejaculation.
Arosual imidiatly kick some toxic chemichals wich induce pois in me.
If i did ejaculate after  this,
it will induce full blown pois in me.

Well done, the longest I abstained was month and a half I think.
I can do 3 weeks easy, but after that every day is long like a week.
Not that I have hormonal urge, but simply I get hard to control wish to have O.
 

[dizzy]

Hi,

I didn't report in a while, but I have formulated some rules which (somehow) seem to have greatly improved my problems, and I thought I'd share them. While this works for me, I have no expectation that this works for other people too.

• 10mg of ceterizine every day, before dinner. I started taking this a couple of months ago after reading about it on this forum, and while initially it didn't seem to do much, I now think it is a very useful drug. It causes an irritating/tingling sensation around my temples and ears to go away. On days when I feel especially bad I use benadryl before bed (which is also useful as a sleeping aid). I should be careful though, because long term use of anti-histamines is linked to dementia.
  
  
• Weighted blanket. Since about two months I sleep under a weighted blanket. This is really doing me well, and you can read about benefits online. Basically, the weighted blanket feels like a hug, and I wouldn't be surprised if it affects hormone levels somehow.
  
  
• Rule: when masturbating, don't "lock up". Don't let your brain make the connection between excitement/orgasm and a locked-up body. Instead, I think a better way is to move your body as you would do during sex, so muscles are always loose. The proper technique would be to stand and hold your erect penis with both hands, then make a humping movement with your entire body, while you hold your hands still. So this means to never masturbate in bed, because there is the tendency to lock up.
  
  
• Rule: when masturbating, always be in the "now". This rule might be a bit vague, but I've found this rule to be very important. To explain it, consider two everyday extreme situations. One is when you are daydreaming, and your attention seems to have slipped from what is going on around you. In this situation, it is as if your "self" is located more in the back of your head. Now consider the other extreme, where you are angry at somebody, or you are commanding somebody to do something. In this situation it is as if your "self" is located more to the front of your head, between your eyes even. Maybe you have to try it out to see what I mean. I have found that masturbating while being in the "daydreaming" mode always causes problems, but masturbating while in the "sharply focused" mode causes far less problems, like real sex. This might be the reason why real sex causes less problems than masturbating. Note that you can practice being in the "now", daily (e.g. while commuting), it is very much like meditation.
  
  

By the way, I have dropped all my supplements (was taking more than 10+ a day). It took me a lot of courage to drop them, but within a week or two I found that most of them weren't really doing anything anyway, and some of them were even having some mildly adverse effects.

I hope this is useful information. Don't take it as absolute truth please these are just my experiences written down as rules.

[Hopeoneday]

Jes , if you training your pshyc, it is allways a good thing to do, pshyc is inwolwed in ewry sitiuation.

In my case, ejaculation allways lead to full POIS, no mater how you didi it.

[Hopeoneday]

I did one more test.
I did this test and try to lett go only
small amount of sperm, only tiny amount, then i stoped ejaculation
on purpose.
I did want to see, will i get some pois like symptomes, like prostate pain,
legs jerks, legs weakness, inflamed eays, severe herat palpilations
and breathing dificult...

As i wrote before in my tests,
i get pois symptomes only on arousal, when i did arousal on
purpose(like tinitus, brain fog,
facial and eyes change),
but i do not get symptomes
like prostate pain , weak legs
(like cutted of legs), severe fatigue...
Constipation one day after in booth cases.

Intresting, from only small amout of sperm, i get prostate pain,
inflamed eays , legs jerks, weakness wich is less then from full eyaculation.

I hawe suspicios, i think that cascade
of symptomes starts from place when prostate opened and when sperm hit that area some sort of reaction happend(like inflamation).
( i do not get thouse symptomes
from prejaculate ).

[Hopeoneday]

Guys what is intresting, i abstinence from eyculation  for abouth 30 days, practiced sex with no ejaculation.
Then i decice test low intense OE, no sex, no visual arousall- imidiatly after E(with low amoun of sperm),  i get weaked muscule aroun ayes, loosed skin around ayes, my face llook differet, like tortured.
What did i missed in past is KIDNEYS pain, after eyaculation i get regular prostate disconfort, pain like inflamed, but what is most intristing thing of this observation i get that pain spreaded to KIDNEYS (dull pain to both kidneys) its fels like spreading inflamation!
For this, must be some marker hiden from us!

We must tighten our rows, eliminate what not cousing a pois!

[Muon]

Inflammation at one spot can spread or induce inflammation in distant areas as well as if those were communicating. It doesn't need to be POIS it could be stress as well. Mucosal surfaces, areas that are weak or that have been frequently triggered in the past are more likely to get affected/inflamed. The activity/inflammation can be very subtle. My 2 cents: MC-MC and/or MC-nerve-MC crosstalk.

[Hopeoneday]

Muon , this pain in the kidneys is only happening after ejaculation, only then, never othervise, it
goes from prostate area, then migitate to upper blader erea, then that dull pain migrate on testicles, testicles pain last one day, thouse prostate pain "cutts my legs of" , this is cascade start of pois.

Yeah we know that Muon , from one spot  cascade can start.


We must eliminate is this exsesive cascade of histamine or some other reaction in that moments?

Or it is cytokine storm, if it is cytokine storm, we must fin out whot cytokines are thouse.
200 hundred -200 hundred , we will test them all


Is it exesive cortisol response i the moment of
ejaculation? Then is it cortisol suppress our imunity hardly like in no other humans(so high storm  of cortisol)?
We must test that!

Is it so high storm of prolactin wich couse exsesive inflamation in us?

All this stroms can induce anxiety reaction, aspecially histamine.

Exsesive anexiety on ejaculation then we be sickk from after those?
We must check this somehow,  weaknes and anxiety are secundary in me from pois. While on apstinence i suffer from CFG/ME , i dont hawe anxyety, i dont afraid of enything.

Zilions of people hawe anxiety.

[swell]

HOD, you are not doing bad actually.  Even though, I have managed my POIS 100% now, I still have 24x7 fear and anxiety, specially hate the night time.  My home basement is well lit, but I cant go there except when somebody is around.  I know of temporary solutions for anxiety, but I still have to figure out this intense 'fear'.  Current literature lumps it as anxiety, but that bothers me, as to me anxiety and fear are totally distinct.

[Hopeoneday]

Yeah, i hawe susscesyfuly manage  my pois symptomes by 20-30%
by some of my protocols, we will se how this will go in future.
Wery hot weather is a killer for me.

And yeah, my main wepon against pois is apstinence,
while my worst problems out of pois is CFG/ME and
parcinson, and MG symptomes . Something
disbturb my CNS and that disbturb my digestion
(food stayj in stomach for 5-6 hours , very uncomfortable).

Swell , you see, you manage yours pois olmoust 100% but... you hawe anxiety 24/7 , while some linking anxiety with pois(no logic).

What is intresting in my case , i became BAD ASS because of pois, i did had so meny bad anaphylaxes from pois(close to death), that i became so strong in the head from that! I can deal with most dangerous situations in life and humans to.
Even when pois "cuts my legs off".

My advice to you is to go deal with yours fears and fobias.
If I were you I would go to that basement and raise a tent and spend the night in it (of course, provided that there is no jack belly in the corner of that basement  ...

[swell]

POIS symptoms vs Who you are:
So for POIS, I think one needs to realize and be able to clearly distinguish between competing vectors of health - I think its of utmost importance, otherwise one will always remain in misery of ones own making.  So a person has a personality, one has an existing medical/disease/condition profile, and then one has POIS (3 distinct processes).  For me,  'fear and anxiety' is my first name, nerve and muscle weakness is my 'baseline' - i.e. what I have always experienced.  Now POIS used to bring a host of 'additional/new conditions' (urticaria, skin color change, etc) plus used to severely exacerbate my pre-existing conditions (social anxiety, speech, brain fog, irritability, etc).  It would be fool-hardy if I blame POIS for my ever existing conditions profile.   How could POIS treat things I experienced/developed as a 3 year old (years before I puberty/onset of ejaculation?  So I dont believe there is a 'direct correlative relationship', but it could be argued intelligently maybe as an 'inverse correlation', i.e. my ever existing condition profile maybe contributed to my POIS symptoms to develop.

So what I have been able to do is, that now I no longer have any 'change' in my health/behaviors due to ejaculation, i.e. 100% remission of POIS symptoms.  I no longer seclude myself, life stays same before and after ejaculation.  No more uticaria, no more 'exacerbation' of anxiety, irritability, social, etc.

About those baseline fears and anxiety, that is an ongoing larger struggle, I developed them due to being made to confront them which made things only worse for me.  And then I also have an autistic spectrum profile, i think life is very complex but now that I understand at least the framework of medical sciences, I'll be able to research and hopefully one day conquer that, for now POIS has been a conquest.

Yeah, i hawe susscesyfuly manage  my pois symptomes by 20-30%
by some of my protocols, we will se how this will go in future.
Wery hot weather is a killer for me.

And yeah, my main wepon against pois is apstinence,
while my worst problems out of pois is CFG/ME and
parcinson, and MG symptomes . Something
disbturb my CNS and that disbturb my digestion
(food stayj in stomach for 5-6 hours , very uncomfortable).

Swell , you see, you manage yours pois olmoust 100% but... you hawe anxiety 24/7 , while some linking anxiety with pois(no logic).

What is intresting in my case , i became BAD ASS because of pois, i did had so meny bad anaphylaxes from pois(close to death), that i became so strong in the head from that! I can deal with most dangerous situations in life and humans to.
Even when pois "cuts my legs off".

My advice to you is to go deal with yours fears and fobias.
If I were you I would go to that basement and raise a tent and spend the night in it (of course, provided that there is no jack belly in the corner of that basement  ...

[Hopeoneday]

After long time apstinece i did some tests again..

For science, no masturbation, no eyaculation.


10 min visual sexual arousal induce this in my body:

Start with buzzing tinitus in head, this is a sing that reaction start.

Then during arousal i observe how my body react next..
i noticed that during arousall gut is affected, gut will react
lately delayed reaction( some time 2h, some time 10h or next day)
in drasticly incriese bloating and severe burpung sometimes , gut motility affected.

I noticed that my imunity is affeceted 100% this time after arousal,
after 10 minutes i started sneezing.

Noticed again small pain in prostate area
(because of start semen producing from arousal). Coffe help

Next day i noticed MG, PD like symptomes , are incrised...(affected body motions etc) Coffe help

Next day test( prostate is full of semen) and during ST in the morning
i did small presure with wet paper during cleaning to induce
prostate relese semen.
From some amount of semen relesed
(sperm is not relesed in this test) i didnt get full blown pois
only 10%.

Coffe is still my first wepon (still working) for eny kind of pois symptomes.
Work after eyaculaton to, when full blow pois ocur, i can slowly inhibit
it with coffe.
Not perfect, because i want sometimes drink it before sleep 
(not good solution for sleep)  for
MG like symptomes etc, so not perfect.

Advice , drink it wery solwe and with water after, slowe to not induce
shakines from adrenal brust.

[BoneBroth]

How much is enought, one cup of black coffee with coffeine? Have you tryed if it works without coffeine?

[Hopeoneday]

Yeah, decaf coffe not working as (nearly)good as high presure coffe.
I tested pure cofeine pils , it can be ussefull (take care of miligrams
, why i keep teling you this??? because if you yung and inexpirience, this with pois atak can leed you in to panic atac, so slowly), but not much as prsure cooked
coffe(sinergy of caffeine , antioxidants, cafeic acid small fat milk in is is
crucila for good coffe).

[BoneBroth]

So filtered coffee doesnt work as good as pressured cofffe? You mean naturally antioxidants in pressured coffee?

[Hopeoneday]

And one more thing (important), i induced taurine 3 month ago for my
detox protocol, 3 time a day spreded about 1,5 grams all together.
This go wery well for meny things and also for
caffeine yiters , specialy if you are sensitive to
coffeine etc...