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Guys, I think you should read this...
« on: August 20, 2018, 10:35:01 AM »
I think it might explain a lot...

The Damage of Orgasms
The Damage of Orgasms: "The Damage of Orgasms

Over-masturbating/over-ejaculation at young ages consumes too much Human Growth Hormone, testosterone, and DHEA (which as you can guess is extremely harmful). It also discharges the central nervous system potential, loads too much stress and DHT hormone in the prostate, kills the brain function which is responsible for driving the endocrine function to produce certain hormones and neurotransmitters.

The result of the additional DHT hormone and testosterone receptors in the prostate is PREMATURE EJACULATION (due to the over-enlargement and the excessive burning of testosterone in the prostate). Also a possible premature ejaculation cause is high levels of Epinephrine(adrenaline). Actually a high level stress hormone in the prostate can trigger 'Flight and Fight' - 'Erection Withdrawal and Ejaculation' at the same time.

Over-ejaculation and/or over-masturbation first melts down the acetylcholine-parasympathetic nervous functions and then the liver functions that release essential enzymes for the syntheses of certain neurotransmitters, namely: acetylcholine, dopamine and serotonin. It(over-ejaculation and over-masturbation) causes the brain and adrenal functions to perform additional and excessive dopamine-norepinephrine-epinephrine conversion, which causes the brain and body functions to be extremely sympathetic. It results in the brain's and nervous dysfunctions, stress, anxiety, impatience, eye floaters or fuzzy vision, buzzing (noisy) ears, cardiovascular irregularities, urinary incontinence, prostatitis, weak kidney functions, pain or cramp in the pelvic cavity or/and tail bone, weak muscles or ligaments, and so on. The solution is to certain formulas to power and restore the brain's naturally healthy levels of - acetylcholine, dopamine, serotonin, GABA, and reduce the stress hormone levels.

In addition, semen has high concentrations of potassium, calcium, zinc, magnesium, citric acid, phosphorylcholine, fructose, spermine, prostatic acid phosphatase, free amino acids, prostaglandins and enzymes, which nourish and protect the sperm. Semen also contains a lot of GABA and beta-endorphin, both of which are calm-inhibitory neurochemicals. When a healthy man ejaculates he triggers a glutamate-GABA conversion with the liver enzyme glutamate decarbozylase. In a male model, the cerebrospinal fluid(CSF)'s GABA and asparagine-glutamate concentration increases with 1000% and 200%, and there is a small decrements in amino accids such as serine, arginine, alanine and leucine. If there is a lack of the liver enzyme glutamate decarbozylase, glutamate in CSF becomes too high and GABA becomes too low. This is why ejaculation causes deficiency of GABA and excessive glutmamte for the brain, nervous instability and sympathetic nervous Fight or Flight responses. Also a persistent sexual arousal can be observed if a person lacks GABA and beta endorphin, but has a high level of dopamine, glutamate, epinephrine, norepinephrine, and/or histamine. A person with a lack of GABA, serotonin and beta-endorphin will experience severe anxiety, depression, mood swing, de-realization, mood swing, irritation, panic responses, premature ejaculation, penile or clitoral over-sensitivity, and overall pains. Over-masturbation, excessive sex, excessive orgasm or drug abuse can also induce brain arterial inflammation, which will narrow down the arteries and to constrict the blood flow to the brain. The narrowed arteries in the brain will surely require a higher blood pressure to pump blood up to your brain. This will result in a hypertension, headaches, migraines, gum inflammations, blurred version, sleeping disorders, ear ringing, body or joint pains, inflammation, liver and kidneys fires, and prostate-bladder-urethral disorders.

Overmasturbation/ejaculation will constrict your arteries and create inflammatory narrowness in your brain and plevic organs(testicles, prostate, seminal vesicles and penis) due to excessive release of prolactin, norepinephrine, and epinephrine, excessive binding of norepeinephrine/epinephrine on the alpha-adrenergic receptors. Excessive prostaglandin E2 is released then into the bloodstream and deficiency of nitric oxide and prostaglandins E1/E3 production occurs. All this castrates your hypothalamus-pituitary-testicular(ovarian) axis. Once your hypothalamus-pituitary-testicular(ovarian) axis is locked, you will lack the essential androgen hormones DHEA , testosterone and DHT to unlock it. To prevent the castration effects(if you are overmasturbating), you have to keep your blood flow to your brain and testicles after having sexual activities and experiencing sex-induced stress. To keep arterial dilation via the nitric oxide and cGMP release from the vegal/parasympathetic nervous endings you need the post-sex androgen hormones and oxytocin, as well as the action of the stress hormones norepinephrine and epinephrine on the sympathetic nervous beta-adrenergic receptors where partially blocking the alpha-adrenergic receptors may be required.

A generally good way to rejuvenate your sexual function is by using right combination of amino-acids, herbs, and vitamins & minerals.

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Re: Guys, I think you should read this...
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2018, 01:10:48 PM »
SCRUB

It is not just the excess of masturbation that causes POIS.
I do not remember having more than 2 or 3 orgasms in 1 day never in my life.
The excess would be how much? Maybe 5 or more? I have friends who said that for a long time they had more than 2 orgasms a day and did not develop POIS.
In addition to excess masturbation there is likely to be a physical cause such as muscle, neurological or vascular problems (and perhaps a psychological cause, such as stress, depression, anxiety, trauma).
There is a great relationship with chronic inflammation: some with intestinal problems, others with spinal problems (my case), others with cranial nerve blocked, others have genital issues (NAS)....
That is, it is not just excess masturbation.
My POIS only happens with masturbation. Normal sex does not generate POIS symptoms. My POIS is related to me mood and the health of my cervical spine. Dopamine/Inflammation/Body constitution (genetics) are factors that contribute to POIS.

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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2018, 01:32:50 PM »
Sounds like Dr Lin theory  ;D
The problem is he goes in all direction but there is not a real explanation of Pois mechanism.
Each element are discussed on our forum.
Problem is for dr Lin all elements are the culprit (and so you should buy all supplement for each ones !). That's sumply impossible for me.

I prefer to test one by one.
Anyway I'm not opposed to the "over mastubation"or "excessive ejaculation"
because my mg defiency came at a time where I a lot of sexual activity.
Taurine = Anti-Pois

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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2018, 05:12:05 PM »

Sounds like Dr Lin theory  ;D


Dr Lin? Complete faker/quack, in my opinion :)

His only wish/desire is to sell his own supplements!


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10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2018, 06:16:15 PM »
Nothing personal Scrub but this thread jumps in all directions un-f***ing-believable, it's like Dr. ADHD came up with this explanation.
But anyway I have read this, now what?

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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2018, 10:50:37 AM »
As today, we have no explanation to POIS, nor a cure and I'd bet that no one involved in medical research is even trying to find out an answer. So, I found this interesting about a few things, I'm open to every possible cause and this "article" came out with some things that really makes me think some possibilities.

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Over-masturbating/over-ejaculation at young ages consumes too much Human Growth Hormone, testosterone, and DHEA. It also discharges the central nervous system potential, loads too much stress and DHT hormone in the prostate, kills the brain function which is responsible for driving the endocrine function to produce certain hormones and neurotransmitters.

Dunno if this "overmasturbating/overejaculation" thing even has some scientific background, but at least I used to did it while I was a teenager.

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semen also contains a lot of GABA and beta-endorphin, both of which are calm-inhibitory neurochemicals. When a healthy man ejaculates he triggers a glutamate-GABA conversion with the liver enzyme glutamate decarbozylase.]

This is what caught my attention, has anyone affected by POIS has been tested for Glutamate Descarboxilase (GAD)?

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If there is a lack of the liver enzyme glutamate decarbozylase, glutamate in CSF becomes too high and GABA becomes too low. This is why ejaculation causes deficiency of GABA and excessive glutmamte for the brain

I always, since I realized that something was wrong with me, found that alcohol (ethanol) was 100% effective preventing and fixing POIS. Then, I found that alcohol being useful to prevent an fix POIS is the closest I've been to find a pattern in most POIS cases. Alcohol binds to GABA receptors stimulating them, is a powerful NMDA receptor blocker and, BIG AND, supress and inhibit glutamate release. Taurine and many other NMDA blockers seems to be useful to prevent POIS from trigger.

As I said before, I have no profesional background on medicine, biology or biochemstry, I'm just a POIS affected trying to find an answer.

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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2018, 12:04:58 PM »
Scrub,

Do you have a protocol that others can follow for the alcohol treatment? Things like the type of alcohol beverage you use, percentage of alcohol in that beverage, how much do you drink, when do you drink it.

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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2018, 12:20:19 PM »
No offence Scrub  ;D Lot of us  started Pois search with dr Lin articles ;)

To be serious, i have to say Taurine helps me a lot and yes it's a Gaba-like substance (we a lot of other chemical proprieties).

I"m very sensible to alcohol (1/2 glass is enough to "kill" me). I feel very depressed with alcohol and it drains energy in my legs.
I have never been drunk all my life.
I never tried alcohol to test effects on pois.

The point I never checked is the argument of Lin that sement countains GAbA.
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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2018, 12:28:27 PM »
@b_jim Found here an article linking taurine (but also b6, magnesium, zinc, glutamine) to GABA:

https://drjockers.com/gaba/
Male, INTJ. POIS symptoms: red eyes, ear-pain, anxiety, speech problems, pale/ugly skin, stiff neck, double chin, tinnitus, light sensitivity. POIS even after stimulation without O.

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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2018, 01:04:45 PM »
It's made for me this one ! All my life is here ! (except the Pois!)
Thanks ;)

One of our member posted only 2 times but very nice things about gaba and Pois :
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=792.msg7210#msg7210
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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2018, 05:34:22 PM »
Scrub,

Do you have a protocol that others can follow for the alcohol treatment? Things like the type of alcohol beverage you use, percentage of alcohol in that beverage, how much do you drink, when do you drink it.

Thanks

Not really. If I have an orgasm while being drunk, next day, I'll wake up with hangover but no POIS symptoms. If I'm experiencing POIS symptoms and drink until get drunk, next day I'll wake up with no POIS at all.

No offence Scrub  ;D Lot of us  started Pois search with dr Lin articles ;)

To be serious, i have to say Taurine helps me a lot and yes it's a Gaba-like substance (we a lot of other chemical proprieties).

I"m very sensible to alcohol (1/2 glass is enough to "kill" me). I feel very depressed with alcohol and it drains energy in my legs.
I have never been drunk all my life.
I never tried alcohol to test effects on pois.

The point I never checked is the argument of Lin that sement countains GAbA.

I tried Taurine since I read that it worked for you when I came here to poiscenter, I must say it also works for me about, let's say Taurine can prevent 75% of my POIS. Next time I'll try 1g. per day to see how it goes.

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No idea who this guy is. I'm not from the US or EU.

@b_jim Found here an article linking taurine (but also b6, magnesium, zinc, glutamine) to GABA:

https://drjockers.com/gaba/

Very nice. Even though this Dr's website looks like a big advertisement, it says interesting things tho.

It's made for me this one ! All my life is here ! (except the Pois!)
Thanks ;)

One of our member posted only 2 times but very nice things about gaba and Pois :
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=792.msg7210#msg7210

Would try picamilon, however, doesn't seem to be available in my country. :(


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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2018, 08:58:54 PM »
Very interesting that dr jockers link. It says lactobacillus gut bacteria is needed for GABA production.

I tested my gut and have no Lactobacillus bacteria.
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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2018, 09:20:56 AM »
Yes, I tried to make my own yogurts for probiotics but it's very acid for my stomach :/ Same for fermented cabbage ("choucroute" or "kimchi" in Korea).

It's not sure that probiotics can go to the gut without be killed by stomach acidity. Maybe should we try (another) supplement gastro-resistant ?
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« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2018, 10:01:16 AM »
I think food is the best form of probiotic, I have some fermented sauerkraut that I bought. I get a bad initial reaction but possibly after 2 days things improve. I have only recently started so can't be sure yet.

Probiotic supplements are supposedly not great because they can't colonise the gut. They have a transient benefit as they pass through the body.
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« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2018, 02:46:33 PM »
I learned a lot of things today about probiotics. Clearly gut is the center of health and lot of disease are linked to microbiota.
Some probiotic are enough effective to modify nervous system balance and are called "psychobiotics".
I will try homemade yogurts again and homemade lectofermented vegetables (carots + cabagge  salt + water).
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« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2018, 04:46:08 PM »
Well, today I went to the lab and got tested for GAD Antibodies and Antinuclear antibodies. I'll be telling you my lab results in 10 days.

I'm interested too in all of these probiotics thing, but probiotics supplementation are quite expensive here, so, I guess I'll have to wait until find one or start looking into pre/pro biotic foods.

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« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2018, 05:15:16 PM »
Hi Scrub,

Could you put the results into this thread when you have received them (even when it's negative)?
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2684.0

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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2018, 05:21:07 PM »
Hi Scrub,

Could you put the results into this thread when you have received them (even when it's negative)?
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2684.0

Thanks

Yes, oc. I'll also upload my blood test results too.

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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2019, 11:57:15 AM »
I think it might explain a lot...

The Damage of Orgasms
The Damage of Orgasms: "The Damage of Orgasms

Over-masturbating/over-ejaculation at young ages consumes too much Human Growth Hormone, testosterone, and DHEA (which as you can guess is extremely harmful). It also discharges the central nervous system potential, loads too much stress and DHT hormone in the prostate, kills the brain function which is responsible for driving the endocrine function to produce certain hormones and neurotransmitters.

The result of the additional DHT hormone and testosterone receptors in the prostate is PREMATURE EJACULATION (due to the over-enlargement and the excessive burning of testosterone in the prostate). Also a possible premature ejaculation cause is high levels of Epinephrine(adrenaline). Actually a high level stress hormone in the prostate can trigger 'Flight and Fight' - 'Erection Withdrawal and Ejaculation' at the same time.

Over-ejaculation and/or over-masturbation first melts down the acetylcholine-parasympathetic nervous functions and then the liver functions that release essential enzymes for the syntheses of certain neurotransmitters, namely: acetylcholine, dopamine and serotonin. It(over-ejaculation and over-masturbation) causes the brain and adrenal functions to perform additional and excessive dopamine-norepinephrine-epinephrine conversion, which causes the brain and body functions to be extremely sympathetic. It results in the brain's and nervous dysfunctions, stress, anxiety, impatience, eye floaters or fuzzy vision, buzzing (noisy) ears, cardiovascular irregularities, urinary incontinence, prostatitis, weak kidney functions, pain or cramp in the pelvic cavity or/and tail bone, weak muscles or ligaments, and so on. The solution is to certain formulas to power and restore the brain's naturally healthy levels of - acetylcholine, dopamine, serotonin, GABA, and reduce the stress hormone levels.

In addition, semen has high concentrations of potassium, calcium, zinc, magnesium, citric acid, phosphorylcholine, fructose, spermine, prostatic acid phosphatase, free amino acids, prostaglandins and enzymes, which nourish and protect the sperm. Semen also contains a lot of GABA and beta-endorphin, both of which are calm-inhibitory neurochemicals. When a healthy man ejaculates he triggers a glutamate-GABA conversion with the liver enzyme glutamate decarbozylase. In a male model, the cerebrospinal fluid(CSF)'s GABA and asparagine-glutamate concentration increases with 1000% and 200%, and there is a small decrements in amino accids such as serine, arginine, alanine and leucine. If there is a lack of the liver enzyme glutamate decarbozylase, glutamate in CSF becomes too high and GABA becomes too low. This is why ejaculation causes deficiency of GABA and excessive glutmamte for the brain, nervous instability and sympathetic nervous Fight or Flight responses. Also a persistent sexual arousal can be observed if a person lacks GABA and beta endorphin, but has a high level of dopamine, glutamate, epinephrine, norepinephrine, and/or histamine. A person with a lack of GABA, serotonin and beta-endorphin will experience severe anxiety, depression, mood swing, de-realization, mood swing, irritation, panic responses, premature ejaculation, penile or clitoral over-sensitivity, and overall pains. Over-masturbation, excessive sex, excessive orgasm or drug abuse can also induce brain arterial inflammation, which will narrow down the arteries and to constrict the blood flow to the brain. The narrowed arteries in the brain will surely require a higher blood pressure to pump blood up to your brain. This will result in a hypertension, headaches, migraines, gum inflammations, blurred version, sleeping disorders, ear ringing, body or joint pains, inflammation, liver and kidneys fires, and prostate-bladder-urethral disorders.

Overmasturbation/ejaculation will constrict your arteries and create inflammatory narrowness in your brain and plevic organs(testicles, prostate, seminal vesicles and penis) due to excessive release of prolactin, norepinephrine, and epinephrine, excessive binding of norepeinephrine/epinephrine on the alpha-adrenergic receptors. Excessive prostaglandin E2 is released then into the bloodstream and deficiency of nitric oxide and prostaglandins E1/E3 production occurs. All this castrates your hypothalamus-pituitary-testicular(ovarian) axis. Once your hypothalamus-pituitary-testicular(ovarian) axis is locked, you will lack the essential androgen hormones DHEA , testosterone and DHT to unlock it. To prevent the castration effects(if you are overmasturbating), you have to keep your blood flow to your brain and testicles after having sexual activities and experiencing sex-induced stress. To keep arterial dilation via the nitric oxide and cGMP release from the vegal/parasympathetic nervous endings you need the post-sex androgen hormones and oxytocin, as well as the action of the stress hormones norepinephrine and epinephrine on the sympathetic nervous beta-adrenergic receptors where partially blocking the alpha-adrenergic receptors may be required.

A generally good way to rejuvenate your sexual function is by using right combination of amino-acids, herbs, and vitamins & minerals.

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Source: http://boys-private-health.blogspot.com/2010/07/damage-of-orgasms.html?m=1

Wow that's one of the best write ups I've seen. Too bad they don't offer any specific solutions. They really seem to know what's happening.

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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2019, 12:23:13 PM »
Almost nothing of this has been proven and most of the hormones you described stay normal or have a slight fluctation . There are about 50 more neurotransmitters and all are involved with orgasm, just boiling it down to NE, DE, 5HT, ACTH is ignorant.

Alot of chronic masturbators and porn addicts don't develop POIS, even the ones that masturbate 10 times a day. odybuilders who uses all kinds of growth hormones and drugs don't get POIS when they quit cold turkey.  Neurotransmitter receptor agonist always relieve symptoms of any disease, Benzodiazapines and 5HT agonists are prescribed for like 50 % of diseases if not more. If you increase dopamine you always feel good, that's why drug addicts use DE agonists.

If you have stage 5 cancer but use a load of heroin you also get high and will feel good. There is a difference between feeling good and pinning down the underlying mechanism of chemical factors and cofactors that contribute to POIS. Orgasm doesn't deplete testosteron this is utter nonsense, this already got debunked by science. There are thousand if not more components in sperm and this haven't been explored by science, almost nothing is known about it.

''Also a persistent sexual arousal can be observed if a person lacks GABA and beta endorphin,''

People who use GABA agonists like GHB get sexually aroused... alot of GABA agonists are known for sexual arousal. Again this is utter nonsense, people are getting laid faster on alcohol because its a GABA-B agonist.

IF something sounds right it doesn't mean it's right i don't care how good it sounds.

There are POIS patients who at most masturbate once weekly throughtout their life, some POIS sufferers have an active career and barely persuit sexual activity. At most i masturbated twice or 3 times a week but this is not consistent sometimes i would skip for weeks. I also had layoff periods of 1 & 2 years or multiple months. I tried masturbating daily to see if i could desensitize POIS but this was a stupid assumption/strategy and failed miserably. 

Orgasm doesn't cause damage.. if it would throughout history people would get ill and drop dead...
I don't think masturbation or porn is healthy because its unnatural and everything unnatural usually is unhealthy, but saying to a healthy person  that you get damage from orgasm is beyond ridicilious. You can get damage from too much of everything but that's not what we are talking about here.

Articles like this only make people feel guilty or ashamed like if they masturbated too much or masturbated at all.
you cannot rejuvenate sexual function... this feat is simply not possible, you can normalize it but this alone means you have unhealthy lifestyle which impairs sexual function.

Even if all of this is true it still doesn't explain the immune components and symptoms that are similar to disease like mastocytosis and many other auto immune diseases.
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