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Nas

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Re: Ideas on Endothelial Dysfunction
« Reply #100 on: January 11, 2019, 11:58:26 AM »
Guys, the bottom line is; We will need testing/research, these will give us answers. Without research, we will continue to speculate in circles for years here on this forum.
I'm getting NO supplements soon, that'll be my part.

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Re: Ideas on Endothelial Dysfunction
« Reply #101 on: January 11, 2019, 12:08:13 PM »
Guys, the bottom line is; We will need testing/research, these will give us answers. Without research, we will continue to speculate in circles for years here on this forum.
I'm getting NO supplements soon, that'll be my part.
I have read something about it that it's not known whether taking them in supplement form can also have an impact on NO synthesis. The drugs stated in the paper are different than the 'NO' supplements which you can buy in store.

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Re: Ideas on Endothelial Dysfunction
« Reply #102 on: January 11, 2019, 12:51:07 PM »
So one of the biggest mysteries about POIS that I just simply cannot decipher, is the type of immune response that is suggested to cause the symptoms. On one hand, Waldinger tested positive for semen prick tests, but is this an indication of auto-immune disease? In that I question, whether normal people also can test positive for semen prick test without having POIS? Then I ask about the type of immune response in POIS, if it is MCAS related, then why does usual MCAS treatment which comprises of anti-histamine treatment not work for me? When I try to think about possible reasons I can not find any other explanation to MCAS. Yet when I ask MCAS sufferers who suffer from Neuropsychiatric symptoms about what they take as remedy they say that usual MCAS treatment gave them back their brain, yet it clearly fails in my case. In fact I question if there was an immune response at all?
I know that Muon always suggests doing tests but where have tests lead us so far? We need a better theoretical frame to base our tests on. Currently I find the Mast Cell theory to be the most testable of the other theories. But I find that the lack of effect the MCAS treatment regiment had on me is starting to give me doubts. This illness is nothing less than a curse, one that is more seen in the world of the metaphysical. Sigh.


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Re: Ideas on Endothelial Dysfunction
« Reply #104 on: January 22, 2019, 10:34:39 AM »
Nebivolol: The Somewhat-Different β-Adrenergic Receptor Blocker

Comparison of Beta blockers on endothelial function

''In conclusion, nebivolol has beneficial effects on endothelial function mainly by increasing NO bioavailability.''
Nebivolol and Endothelial Dysfunction in Patients With Essential Hypertension: A Reputation Saver of β‐Blockers?
Again, I'm not really sure about this, wouldn't lowering the blood pressure be bad for POTS? If not it would also be bad for inflammation? Since more vasodilation means more penetration?

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Re: Ideas on Endothelial Dysfunction
« Reply #105 on: January 22, 2019, 10:47:24 AM »
Again, I'm not really sure about this, wouldn't lowering the blood pressure be bad for POTS? If not it would also be bad for inflammation? Since more vasodilation means more penetration?

Nebivolol has beneficial effects on endothelial function so I will place this here. There are always side effects involved with medicine. The point is whether these benefits are outweighing the negative side effects. This might be useful for people who want to increase NO bioavailability as well.

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Re: Ideas on Endothelial Dysfunction
« Reply #106 on: January 22, 2019, 10:54:33 AM »
Again, I'm not really sure about this, wouldn't lowering the blood pressure be bad for POTS? If not it would also be bad for inflammation? Since more vasodilation means more penetration?

Nebivolol has beneficial effects on endothelial function so I will place this here. There are always side effects involved with medicine. The point is whether these benefits are outweighing the negative side effects. This might be useful for people who want to increase NO bioavailability as well.
Good point, I might give it a try.

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Re: Ideas on Endothelial Dysfunction
« Reply #107 on: January 25, 2019, 12:02:04 AM »
"This study shows that CMV-seropositive individuals have endothelial dysfunction and impaired responses to nitric oxide (NO). This association was independent of conventional risk factors and may be associated with increased atherosclerosis burden." -Human cytomegalovirus seropositivity is associated with impaired vascular function (2003)
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Re: Ideas on Endothelial Dysfunction
« Reply #108 on: November 20, 2019, 12:01:06 PM »
I am still annoyed that this has not been tested on me. NO defects can play a role in POTS and premature ejaculation. I got both but this has never been tested.  Endothelial dysfunction can be an indication for NO related issues. Nothing is being done.

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Re: Ideas on Endothelial Dysfunction
« Reply #109 on: November 20, 2019, 12:29:56 PM »
I am still annoyed that this has not been tested on me. NO defects can play a role in POTS and premature ejaculation. I got both but this has never been tested.  Endothelial dysfunction can be an indication for NO related issues. Nothing is being done.
Can't you do tests your self?

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Re: Ideas on Endothelial Dysfunction
« Reply #110 on: November 20, 2019, 12:33:54 PM »
I am still annoyed that this has not been tested on me. NO defects can play a role in POTS and premature ejaculation. I got both but this has never been tested.  Endothelial dysfunction can be an indication for NO related issues. Nothing is being done.
Can't you do tests your self?
Can't find any labs that offer these kind of FMD tests.

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Re: Ideas on Endothelial Dysfunction
« Reply #111 on: November 25, 2019, 01:48:29 PM »
What obout epithelial in gen..uri trackt?

The epithelial lining of the male urethra changes from transitional epithelium at the bladder end to pseudostratified epithelium through prostatic, membranous and most of penile urethra, eventually changing to nonkeratinizing stratified squamous epithelium distally.

Connected to Muons post about b-defensin-2

b-defensin-2 concetons with poisers:

Defensins are a family of antimicrobial peptides that form part of the innate and adaptive immune system and constitute the first line of host defense against microorganisms. It has shown the broad antimicrobial activity spectrum against bacteria, fungi and viruses [1, 24].


Expression and regulation of b-defensin-2
https://www.intechopen.com/books/immune-response-activation-and-immunomodulation/multifunctional-activity-of-the-defensin-2-during-respiratory-infections

HBD2 is expressed mainly in all the epithelia of human body (respiratory, digestive, UROGENITAL, conjunctive epithelium), mucous, peripheral blood and skin.

Vit D , activation tru vit D receptors (vit D helped a lot poisers)
https://www.intechopen.com/books/immune-response-activation-and-immunomodulation/multifunctional-activity-of-the-defensin-2-during-respiratory-infections


Multifunctional activities of b-defensin-2

Antimicrobial activities
https://www.intechopen.com/books/immune-response-activation-and-immunomodulation/multifunctional-activity-of-the-defensin-2-during-respiratory-infections


Innate and adaptive immunity (Nana1 mentioned)
https://www.intechopen.com/books/immune-response-activation-and-immunomodulation/multifunctional-activity-of-the-defensin-2-during-respiratory-infections

Neutrophils(low in poisers), dexamethasone(helped Nas),
isoleucine(helped Swell-growt factor , isoleucin is cruciall for epithelium..)
https://www.intechopen.com/books/immune-response-activation-and-immunomodulation/multifunctional-activity-of-the-defensin-2-during-respiratory-infections

Cytokines and chemokines tru IL6
https://www.intechopen.com/books/immune-response-activation-and-immunomodulation/multifunctional-activity-of-the-defensin-2-during-respiratory-infections




Inflamation and antiinflamatory activity -imunomdulatory...
https://www.intechopen.com/books/immune-response-activation-and-immunomodulation/multifunctional-activity-of-the-defensin-2-during-respiratory-infections




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Re: Ideas on Endothelial Dysfunction
« Reply #112 on: November 25, 2019, 02:00:56 PM »
Yes we need more people testing this. Me and my brother's IL-8 can stem from the same source as BD-2. BD-2 can downregulate some cytokines which are needed for anti-fungal actions like IL-17 and upregulate IFN-g. These fungals can deplete tryptophan via Kyn. Leading to a depletion of serotonin. In theory it could affect brain neurotransmitters. People suspecting gut inflammation should consider this.
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Re: Ideas on Endothelial Dysfunction
« Reply #113 on: December 19, 2020, 04:28:08 PM »
Nebivolol: The Somewhat-Different ?-Adrenergic Receptor Blocker

Comparison of Beta blockers on endothelial function

''In conclusion, nebivolol has beneficial effects on endothelial function mainly by increasing NO bioavailability.''
Nebivolol and Endothelial Dysfunction in Patients With Essential Hypertension: A Reputation Saver of ??Blockers?

https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg364692#msg364692

"Great! That should be helpful. However, metropolol can cause erectile dysfuntion, while nebivolol doesn't: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17324145

I think both Nebivolol (B1 receptor blocker) and carvedilol (B1,B2 and Alpha1 blocker) are very good at Nitric Oxide Release, specially Nebivolol:

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/107/21/2747.short
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1089860308000426
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"Both, Valsartan and Nebivolol seem to improve Nitric Oxide, and have fewer side effects than others."
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