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Re: Gather and Post Here Your Medical Tests Results - Discussion Thread
« Reply #200 on: December 18, 2018, 07:23:15 PM »
Really hope Fernab comes back with positive results.
I think for me until Querecitin and Luteolin arrive and I would see their effect my self. I think I've exhausted all of my options when it comes to treatment. I simply have no idea what can solve POIS, at least in my case. Just the fact that anti-histamines and NSAID's all do not really work for me is mind boggling. You just name anything people tried in this forum and I have tried it. All simply did not work.
If Fernab was successful with his treatment, perhaps that confirms that POIS is a part of Mast Cell Activation family of diseases.
For now I just don't know, I'm lost, confused, sad and miserable. I don't know where to go from here.

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Re: Gather and Post Here Your Medical Tests Results - Discussion Thread
« Reply #201 on: December 19, 2018, 11:55:08 AM »
Nas, since 2007, when the forums began we are all still “lost, confused” but “sad, miserable” are something we can at least exert some control over. I know it’s difficult. But whatever you suffer, I can tell you there is someone much worse. One member self-castrated in an unsuccessful attempt to cure POIS. Personally, I approached it with FURY, (over a ‘wasted life’) putting much of my energy into this forum for 12 years. I posted 3,000+ times here, 8,000+ times at our predecessor forum = 11,000+ posts!

That has helped me.

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« Last Edit: December 19, 2018, 12:08:13 PM by demografx »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Gather and Post Here Your Medical Tests Results - Discussion Thread
« Reply #202 on: December 19, 2018, 02:08:26 PM »
Demo
At least you were able to eventually manage POIS, I personally could not. I am forced to live every single day in solitude, overthinking all the friends I abandoned and all the relationship opportunities I threw away. And when I eventually get to heal up from POIS and regain my social skills, then it's a fight against my instincts whether I masturbate or keep my self social. Which is a fight I almost always loose. And it's all so demn frustrating when I have turned every nook and cranny when it comes to POIS. In fact I might make a complete theory of POIS soon, because the Mast Cell theory pretty much concludes everything. Yet, I'm still not able to find a remedy. Sigh.

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Re: Gather and Post Here Your Medical Tests Results - Discussion Thread
« Reply #203 on: December 19, 2018, 03:06:14 PM »

Demo
At least you were able to eventually manage POIS


Not always, Nas! Sometimes, depending on other circumstances, I occasionally still suffer POIS torture.


« Last Edit: December 19, 2018, 05:23:34 PM by demografx »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Gather and Post Here Your Medical Tests Results - Discussion Thread
« Reply #204 on: December 19, 2018, 06:23:52 PM »
POIS is a rare disease. And very complex.

We all share the same trigger: a release.

After this trigger, each poiser, or group of poisers have a different group of symptoms.

In my case, I have more than one trigger. The release, at present, is not the only way I open the door to suffer my symptoms. This is not happenning like this, since I began suffering POIS. I took 4 years and a half to realize my Illness was POIS. Shortly after discovering that I have POIS, when I ride a sleigh, something new starts to happen to me. that had not happened to me until then. A new trigger appears causing me to suffer some of the POIS symptoms. This new trigger is as simple as exerting pressure when sitting. Only by the weight of my own body on the perineal area. I know it sounds really strange. But that's how it is in my case.

POIS in itself is very strange too. how many forms of POIS are there? Do we know it?

After asking here in this thread, about this strange new trigger I began suffering. Muon told me about MCAS. It was the first time I heard of It. I searched for information about it. And realized that this Illness it was a possible piece to solve this huge puzzle.

Without me saying anything to Muon about having also problems when wearing tight clothes. For example the boxer type elastic underwear. That causes me terrible pain and testicular inflammation after a few hours wearing it. Apart of sitting down, wearing tight clothes began also to be a problem for me. MCAS was something that could explain all these new situation.

Mast Cell Disorders, is a group of deseases. Allergy itself it's a Mast Cell Disorder.

On August the 4th. I had my last release. And since then I decided not to have any more releases. The reason: I got a lot worse. in the following days I discover unfortunately that the area that when pressed by my own weight has become greater. It has spread more. now it not only affects the perineal area (problems to sit down). It also begins to affect my buttocks and lower back. With which, I begin to have problems so I can lie down in bed. Problems even to be able to sleep.

I can not go to work. I can not practically do anything. I just survive. I do the basic functions. I sleep with many difficulties. sometimes very little or nothing. I do not want to be dramatic. but it is as I tell it. I depend on third parties to be able to move. To go see the specialists.

I am in a really difficult situation. But honestly, I hope to find a diagnosis through specialists in mast cell disorders. I hope It. And need it.

Some of us have had more luck. Maybe others less. Others have taken a long time to get some relief. And still have difficult moments (as Demo explained).

This is just like this because POIS is very complex.

But in spite of all this. I think this will be resolved sooner or later. It's just a matter of time. And to contribute a little and support each other.

Tomorrow I will go to do an analytic to check my tryptase level. I think it's part of the diagnostic protocol. On January 8, I will go to see a specialist in mast cell disorders. I will tell you about the advances. Wishing that we discover something interesting.

Don't give up Nas: imagine we did not had this forum.... It would be much worse, do not you think so?




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Re: Gather and Post Here Your Medical Tests Results - Discussion Thread
« Reply #205 on: December 19, 2018, 07:31:08 PM »
Fernab

If you are going to do test please make the complete Mast Cell Activation mediators test including:

-serine proteases, such as tryptase and chymase
-histamine (2?5 picograms per mast cell)
-serotonin
-proteoglycans, mainly heparin (active as anticoagulant) and some chondroitin sulfate proteoglycans
-adenosine triphosphate (ATP)
 lysosomal enzymes:
-β-hexosaminidase
-β-glucuronidase
-arylsulfatases
 newly formed lipid mediators (eicosanoids):
-thromboxane
-prostaglandin D2
-leukotriene C4
-platelet-activating factor
 cytokines:
-TNF-α
-basic fibroblast growth factor
-interleukin-4
-stem cell factor
-chemokines, such as eosinophil chemotactic factor

The most important ones are Histamine, Tryptase, Heparin, PGD2, leukotriene C4, TNF-α and IL-4.

Make sure you have an Orgasm before the day of test and do not have any medication what so ever until you complete the test.

Good luck and hopefully we can finally progress medically in defining POIS and potential POIS treatments.

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Re: Gather and Post Here Your Medical Tests Results - Discussion Thread
« Reply #206 on: December 19, 2018, 07:38:36 PM »
Nice to hear Fernab that you making apoitments for mcas...

I am in the same situation like you, when you mention presures on siting and
walking and on body moves.( i am suufering from this long time),
but unfortinatly i hawe the same situation betwean sholders( on spine back)
and somethimes on spine move i hawe breath
taken of( astma like), difuculity swalowing when
this (inflamation worse in pois aspesualy), dificulity laying down and sleping,
because i stayed out of breath in most positions, brathing muscules go in spasm
, they stuck and sometimes i nead  4,5 hours to calm body  find position and sleap.

Like mystenia gravis symptomes.(nerwes do not fire properly, tired muscules).
Like somthing in celbrospinall fluid not workin properly (inflamation).

A this geting worse because of bloating, bloating make presure on my lungs
and heart, because of this i hawe heart palpilations , espesualy when nerwes
is in exitatory condition in pois.(tread a lot of things to get rid of bloating).
All this worse in ewning etc...

For mcas, i trayed natural but withouth suscess-curcumin , origano, rosemarin etc...
Antihistamines not working to...
« Last Edit: December 19, 2018, 07:58:05 PM by Hopeoneday »
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Re: Gather and Post Here Your Medical Tests Results - Discussion Thread
« Reply #207 on: December 19, 2018, 08:10:15 PM »
Nice to hear Fernab that you making apoitments for mcas...

I am in the same situation like you, when you mention presures on siting and
walking and on body moves.( i am suufering from this long time),
but unfortinatly i hawe the same situation betwean sholders( on spine back)
and somethimes on spine move i hawe breath
taken of( astma like), difuculity swalowing when
this (inflamation worse in pois aspesualy), dificulity laying down and sleping,
because i stayed out of breath in most positions, brathing muscules go in spasm
, they stuck and sometimes i nead  4,5 hours to calm body  find position and sleap.

Like mystenia gravis symptomes.(nerwes do not fire properly, tired muscules).
Like somthing in celbrospinall fluid not workin properly (inflamation).

A this geting worse because of bloating, bloating make presure on my lungs
and heart, because of this i hawe heart palpilations , espesualy when nerwes
is in exitatory condition in pois.(tread a lot of things to get rid of bloating).
All this worse in ewning etc...

For mcas, i trayed natural but withouth suscess-curcumin , origano, rosemarin etc...
Antihistamines not working to...

HOD I'm getting Quericitin and Leutolin, maybe give them a try? These are documented Mast Cell stabilizers, and fairly they are my last hope of ever finding a remedy.

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Re: Gather and Post Here Your Medical Tests Results - Discussion Thread
« Reply #208 on: December 20, 2018, 07:12:38 AM »
Nas, thank you for all that information.

I see that you have read and inquired a lot about MCAS and the different types of related tests. I will take it into account if necessary. But if I've learned anything since I've been to so many doctors, it's that they do not like you to give them instructions on what to do and how to do it. I have learned that this can be very counterproductive. And get just the opposite of what we need.

At least at the beginning I think I should let them direct the process of what tests and how to do them.

I've been said that the doctor I will visit on January 8th is someone with experience and good knowledge about mast cell disorders. Will see if this is the case.

In spite of everything I believe that the information that you have given me is very valuable and I will take it into account in case of need.

I also have documents from a Dr called Theoharis Theoharides. This Dr is from Yale Universitaria If I am not wrong. Muon gave us a link of him taking about MCAS around 2 hours. Really interesting.

Here is a little fragment of his writings about Mast Cells (abreviated as MCs) and some of the problems they are able to cause:

MCs are best known for their role
in immediate IgE-mediated, allergic
responses in anaphylaxis, food allergy,
venom allergy, and asthma. Recent
reports have also implicated MCs in
nonallergic disorders, including head-
ache syndromes, irritable bowel syn-
drome, non-celiac gluten enteropathy,
osteoporosis, autoimmune syndromes,
neuropsychiatric disorders, and intersti-
tial cystitis [Theoharides et al., 2015].

Apart of what I already explained yesterday I am suffering. coincidentally, I also suffer non-celiac gluten enteropathy. And have a lot of skin manifestations. Redness that appear and disappear in a short time. Itchings sometimes in many different parts of all my body, eczemas, peelings, etc.

I have been diagnosed curiously of dermographism. Something that it is also associated to Mast Cell Disorders. But despite so many things that suggest that it may be some kind of mast cell disorder. it's not worth thinking about. You have to prove it. And in that sense I think it's best to put yourself in the hands of professionals in the field.

HOD, It is true, we have a lot of similar symptoms. Strong palpitations ( I've been said that histamine could be causing it).
 respiratory distress (Something similar to asthma) and even chest pain if symptoms become very strong. Most of the time I have been told (by so many doctors) that this is because of anxiety. Instead of a high level of histamine. But recently, a doctor, told me that effectively histamine can also cause that effect. I have always refused to admit that it is a cause for anxiety. I have asked if this is something that can be proved in any way. Unfortunately, I have always been told that no. But I know it almost certainly is not due to anxiety. I have several reasons that I could explain in detail. but I practically never have enough time to be able to explain well something so complex. With doctors you have to be very concise.

In order to stabilize the mast cells, I am taking the drug that the specialists have indicated to me: Disodium cromoglycate. Quantum told me that he takes on his prepack since some time ago some natural Mast Cell stabilizers. I will consider for later in case. At first I did feel that I noticed some improvement but also It is said that the effect can take between one to two weeks. For now only one week has passed. And I'm not sure if It is doing anything. I will continue taking it anyway. I also know that I was testing quercetin a long time ago. but I do not know if I spent a little time taking it or what. but I did not notice much. For now, what I do notice that helps me say to 40 or 50% is a powerful inhibitor of Cox 2, called etoricoxib. Which indicates to me in some way that some inflammation I have to have, even though it is mysteriously not detected. As many times we have commented in this forum.

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Re: Gather and Post Here Your Medical Tests Results - Discussion Thread
« Reply #209 on: December 20, 2018, 12:14:43 PM »
https://www.mastattack.org/associated-conditions/

Asociated condition, almost all we mention on forum.

What abou anti ige treatmant, she sed that some peoples helped medicine like
xolair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omalizumab

Yeah Fernab, in mcas it is all about histamine.
I think that reaction on arosaul is exses in us, because of hudge
rection of histamine in brain, then body.

It is exces, or lack histamine in brain, then on arosaul or O, hited hardly
cascade of symptomes, i dotnt know is it posible to mesure histamine lewels
in brain.
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« Reply #210 on: December 20, 2018, 02:19:32 PM »
https://www.mastattack.org/associated-conditions/

Asociated condition, almost all we mention on forum.

What abou anti ige treatmant, she sed that some peoples helped medicine like
xolair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omalizumab

Yeah Fernab, in mcas it is all about histamine.
I think that reaction on arosaul is exses in us, because of hudge
rection of histamine in brain, then body.

Is it exes, or lack of histamine in brain then hited hardby arisaul i do know,
dotnt know is it posible to mesure.

I really like this blog, I tried to contact the lady who run the blog but she didn't answer unfortunately. She had a post talking about POIS briefly and she also connected to POIS here
She give the point that perhaps semenal fluid it self could be the trigger for Mast Cell activation due to it containing cytokines.
« Last Edit: December 20, 2018, 02:49:38 PM by Nas »

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« Reply #211 on: December 20, 2018, 02:34:29 PM »
Sounds really interesting. It is something like this that I am suspecting.

The link does not work for me. But anyway is exactly what I think it could be.... But first It has to be proved...

Nice web!

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« Reply #212 on: December 20, 2018, 02:41:29 PM »
Sounds really interesting. It is something like this that I am suspecting.

The link does not work for me. But anyway is exactly what I think it could be.... But first It has to be proved...

Nice web!

Fixed!!

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« Reply #213 on: December 20, 2018, 03:01:18 PM »
It is very mind boggling though, how that all evidence related to histamine yet anti-histamines seem to not work for us. I've recently tried Betahistine, which is a histamine h3 antagonist. It does cause slight brain fog at the beginning bit it goes away. I have not had success with it after orgasm yet. Perhaps we need more time of anti-histamines treatment for it to be effective?   

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« Reply #214 on: December 20, 2018, 03:18:51 PM »
As far as I know there are hundreds of different mediators (little molecules) released by Mast Cells when they are activated.... I don't know if all of them can be tested or detected today.

This things go beyond my knowledge. Scientists who study this type of things are the ideal people to ask for, or specialists involved in the world of research ... I suppose!


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« Reply #216 on: December 23, 2018, 04:25:11 PM »
impressive the number of problems and diseases associated with mast cells

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