My method for prevention and control of my POIS symptoms - 80% to 100% effective

[Quantum]

Update on my husband's experience with the previously mentioned pre-pack:

Pre-pack includes: Quercetin 500 mg, turmeric curcumin 500 mg (black pepper 3 mg), green tea extract 315 mg, magnesium 167 mg (with Calcium 333 mg, vitamin D3 200 IU), flaxseed oil 1000 mg x2, lycopene 10 mg and sleep supplement 'Olly' x2 of melatonin 1.5 mg/L-theanine 50 mg/Chamomile/Passionflower/Lemon balm.

Other background: he also takes duloxetine 30 mg


We've now tried using the pre-pack for 3 of my cycles and each time it has made a significant difference for him. He even used it after a nocturnal emission and found it helpful after the fact. The most recent week of use he ejaculated 3x in about a week period. From the last ejaculation to feeling back to normal was about 72 hours (previously around 7 days from last ejaculation). For example the latest time, symptoms were anywhere from 40-80% reduced during the majority of his period of being unwell and gradually improved to 95% reduced on the last evening. He did not have tramacet available the last two times but still did relatively well.

What he found additionally helpful was taking taurine 500 mg before taking a nap for ~2h - prior to the nap he would be experiencing only 40% reduction in symptoms and then after the nap maybe 80% reduction, so he was taking taurine and naps regularly throughout this time (he works from home and has a flexible schedule so this was doable). He also took the sleep supplements (Olly) every night as well. His sleep was much more restorative than previously! Additionally he went for regular massage therapy and physiotherapy (thanks work benefits!) which helped with his POIS pain symptoms. He also took regular Tylenol (though not sure how much this actually helped).

Overall - this is a gamechanger!

Thanks for this great update, Psy !   It is very detailed and gives useful information for other members.
It is a great example of how to customize one's pre-pack and overall method.   When something is helping, like taurine + a 2hrs nap, you included it in your overall method.  Another example is not having included 5-HTP, which is a serotonin precursor, because your husband takes duloxetine, which already boosts serotonin.  What you have shared will help others figure out what it means to customize our pre-pack to our own situation.

Since the pre-pack method and overall approach has been efficient for your husband for more than 3 months now, I have included a reference to him in my POIS Types Chart, in the pre-pack method section, along with a reference to your 3-months update (see at https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3777.0)

Good luck to you and your husband with your project of having a child!

[psy]

Awesome, thanks Quantum!

[gillguy123]

Do you know which supplements stopped your low blood pressure? I also have this and it accounts for basically 75% of my pois.

[Quantum]

Do you know which supplements stopped your low blood pressure? I also have this and it accounts for basically 75% of my pois.

Hi Gillguy,

• One of the main is green tea, which I discovered early on when I was way younger. I prefer green tea to caffeine because coffee makes me more anxious, and this was also one of my main POIS symptoms.  There is L-Theanine in green tea, which helps remain calm. I take green tea in capsules of standardized dosage, or I drink iced green tea.

• 5-HTP is also very good at raising blood pressure.  In the stack of supplements I take before O, I have 50mg of 5-HTP, and it helps a lot to keep my blood pressure normal if taken at least 30 minutes before ejaculation.  I can add 25mg more later if my blood pressure drops too low during the 24 to 48 hours following ejaculation.

• Salt, obviously, is also a great way to raise blood pressure, if you do not have kidney problems.  Salted water is cheap and very effective to raise blood pressure.   For tolerance/taste, you have to see what one is able to take.  I can take 1/4 teaspoon in a glass of water with no problem.  It takes about 20 to 30 mins to show results on the blood pressure monitor.

• I also like the effect of rosemary essential oil ( one drop in some water), but less potent the 3 above.

If I notice that my BP is becoming borderline low ( which is for me, something like 107/68), I take one or more of the above. Once my diastolic ( the second, smaller figure) raises at 70 or higher, I feel ok.

Having no more hypotension and extreme fatigue is in itself a great, great success for me in POIS control, and can be accounted as a 50% relief at least.  Hypotension has been causing me a lot of fatigue, lightheadedness, intolerance to exercise, cold sweat, depressive feelings, a sense of powerlessness, trouble going through my day at work, and so on.

[Muon]

Do you know which supplements stopped your low blood pressure? I also have this and it accounts for basically 75% of my pois.

If nothing works: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midodrine

[swell]

(  Swell's post has been moved to https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=4323.msg46187#msg46187 )

[gzbking]

Can you help me understand if Quercetin raises or lowers vitamin b6 and b12 ? and how much ?

I seem to remember a website where it was said they were lowered but I can't find it anymore.
I have found here
https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/act.2018.29197.mho
that it inhibits CYP3A4, don't know if it matters

To my knowledge, there is no interaction between vitamin b6 and b12, and quercetin.

CYP3A4 is not an issue with B vitamins, but there will be an interaction with the drugs eliminated by this liver enzyme.  However, quercetin is only a weak inhibitor fo CYP3A4 ( see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CYP3A4#Ligands for details)

Thank you. I asked because last year I developed a neuropathy (electric zap in 1 foot and a feeling of light internal trembling all over the body) after consuming an excessive amount of vitamin B6.
I was extremely worried when those symptoms started. I consumed 50mg a day which seemed very safe according to the US FDA daily upper limit of 100 mg, but later I found out that in Europe the upper limit is only 25mg and in UK even lower at just 10mg, so there seem to be major concerns about this Vitamin B6 which incredibly the US FDA doesn't know/understand.

Luckily my neuropathy resolved after some months but I have been in contact with people with B6 toxicity who had it for years and can't get out, like a neurological permanent damage.   

So I'd like to try quercetin for my POIS but after reading it might create tingling/neuropathy I am a bit worried. I have also found out quercetin significantly inhibits iron absorption, which by itself can create anemia and neuropathy, yes I guess this can be fixed by iron supplements but overall I am bit worried.

this is very hard to figure out, first what do you mean by neuropathy its not a description of anything

were u getting ticks in your muscles
were you getting irregular contraction of muscles
were u experiencing temperature differently it hot is cold cold is hot
were u getting pins and needles
did u had pain in muscle after that
was it electricity that you feel from the socket or is it more like a pressure on your blood vessel
did you get any bruising on skin after that
did your skin went numb
did your skin got painful
were you dehydrated/did you had too much salt
do you have any other disease

and is quercetin an iron antagonist, is it even in a active form to occupy iron absorbing receptor in the intestine probably no. are there iron antagonist yes tea and coffee are iron antagonist cause they pass though stomach acid much faster and retain active compounds more so it depends did you consume quercetin in a liquid form on an empty stomach even then we dont know even if its present in high enough doses in your diet. if you are consuming it with food not with any other iron antagonist, its unlikely to affect iron absorption enough to cause iron deficiency

and is b6 neurotoxic could be, it depends even more
what kind of neuro toxicity - inhibitor
is it a b6 receptor antagonist - no
is it a demyelanating agent - no
is it a autophagic agent of neurons - no
is it a receptor binding agent of a neuron and if so which neuron - no
is it inhibitor of a neuron receptor - yes
is it neuron receptor binding agent - no

whats b6's half life and how are you consuming it in the first place if from food its probably not nerotoxic

if from supplement b6 as a inhibitor can prevent signals to pass through a nueron effectively, what will be the result, some signals wont pass, will it disable the neuron no, will it bind it its receptors no, will it demylate the neuron no, what kind of symptoms will you get :-
spasms, inability to control muscles accurately, alcohol like effect on movement, dizziness, foggy vision,numb or enhanced effect on senses ie temperature, touch, hearing, could experience some tick like movement, no electrical shocks, no cognitive symptoms, no metabolic symptoms, upset stomach, usually no cardiac symptoms

so what kind of neuro toxicity does it produce can it be permanent yes but unlikely how fast can you recover from it within 24 hours, could it have permanent damage on your neurons unlikely but possible, can you get electric shocks from this kind of inhibitor well very very unlikely but yes(its most most probably not from this) it could be you actually had ingested another neuro toxin along with b6 which caused the electric shock

this is only for education not anything official

[Warrior]

Methylation support
Some members, in particular Kurtosis, have achieved total control over their POIS symptoms with methylation support supplements, so I got interested in methylation because of that ( I have read almost all his posts on this forum, as well as elsewhere too).  I have been reading about methylation for weeks, until I knew all I had to know about this, before trying methylation support ( I could write for hours about BH4, SAMe, L-methionine, TMG, L-methylfolate, the various cobalamine types, the methyl cycle, the methyl trap, the so-called detox reactions, the herx reactions, the various supplements used in methylation, the various SNPs involved, and the like).  Then came for me the time for testing.   I have been very, very careful.  But, well, you know, we are all different.  It didn't work at all for me. Even the smallest dose of l-methylfolate ( 1/8 of a 400mcg tablet, which means only 50mcg) would make me ill, even if taken with the appropriate amount of methylcobalamine.  I had extreme fatigue, tachycardia, and all sorts of symptoms. Like it already happened for other people sharing on CFS forums and trying methylation support,  l-methylfolate have apparently sent me in a mild to moderate hypokalemia/low potassium ( even with only 1/8 of a 400mcg tablet!).  I didn't have blood tests done, but my symptoms indeed progressively disappeared with potassium supplementation ( DO NOT take potassium without your health professional advice, it may be very detrimental to you – I took it in a very safe way, and because I am a pharmacist and know very well what doses to take and what are the signs of hypo or hyperkalemia.  Both can send you to ER, and can even cause fatal cardiac arrhythmia).  I tried l-methylfolate only 3 times, in decreasing doses, and felt ill for 2 to 3 days each time ( less the third time, because I took even less MTHF, and started potassium sooner). I sure have no interest to test further, until more is understood about methylation. TMG ( trimethylglycine, betaine), another methyl support supplement, makes me ill too, in the same manner.   Some people with ME\CFS that have been far less careful than me and have started with normal to high doses like 400mcg to 800mcg have ended up in ER with severe hypokalemia ( low potassium), and doctors just couldn't understand or believe that it has been caused by methylfolate or methylcobalamine.  So for now, I play it safe and won't take any more of these.

Hey Quantum, just read this bit about how you previously tried exploring the methylation route. My question to you is did you ever try basic folic acid or folinic acid? It's well known in the MTHFR community that methylated vitamins aren't for everyone and methylfolate is actually notoriously sensitive for many people including myself. Methylfolate is only advised if you have a significant MTHFR gene variant that may effect your ability to convert synthetic folic acid into the active form methylfolate. I'm sure you already know this based on what I'm reading here, but just thought I would ask.

Or another way to phrase is, did you ever try a non methylated B complex or one that had folic acid instead of methylfolate?

I personally don't tolerate methylfolate. I take folic acid instead and that's been great!

[Quantum]

Methylation support
Some members, in particular Kurtosis, have achieved total control over their POIS symptoms with methylation support supplements, so I got interested in methylation because of that ( I have read almost all his posts on this forum, as well as elsewhere too).  I have been reading about methylation for weeks, until I knew all I had to know about this, before trying methylation support ( I could write for hours about BH4, SAMe, L-methionine, TMG, L-methylfolate, the various cobalamine types, the methyl cycle, the methyl trap, the so-called detox reactions, the herx reactions, the various supplements used in methylation, the various SNPs involved, and the like).  Then came for me the time for testing.   I have been very, very careful.  But, well, you know, we are all different.  It didn't work at all for me. Even the smallest dose of l-methylfolate ( 1/8 of a 400mcg tablet, which means only 50mcg) would make me ill, even if taken with the appropriate amount of methylcobalamine.  I had extreme fatigue, tachycardia, and all sorts of symptoms. Like it already happened for other people sharing on CFS forums and trying methylation support,  l-methylfolate have apparently sent me in a mild to moderate hypokalemia/low potassium ( even with only 1/8 of a 400mcg tablet!).  I didn't have blood tests done, but my symptoms indeed progressively disappeared with potassium supplementation ( DO NOT take potassium without your health professional advice, it may be very detrimental to you – I took it in a very safe way, and because I am a pharmacist and know very well what doses to take and what are the signs of hypo or hyperkalemia.  Both can send you to ER, and can even cause fatal cardiac arrhythmia).  I tried l-methylfolate only 3 times, in decreasing doses, and felt ill for 2 to 3 days each time ( less the third time, because I took even less MTHF, and started potassium sooner). I sure have no interest to test further, until more is understood about methylation. TMG ( trimethylglycine, betaine), another methyl support supplement, makes me ill too, in the same manner.   Some people with ME\CFS that have been far less careful than me and have started with normal to high doses like 400mcg to 800mcg have ended up in ER with severe hypokalemia ( low potassium), and doctors just couldn't understand or believe that it has been caused by methylfolate or methylcobalamine.  So for now, I play it safe and won't take any more of these.

Hey Quantum, just read this bit about how you previously tried exploring the methylation route. My question to you is did you ever try basic folic acid or folinic acid? It's well known in the MTHFR community that methylated vitamins aren't for everyone and methylfolate is actually notoriously sensitive for many people including myself. Methylfolate is only advised if you have a significant MTHFR gene variant that may effect your ability to convert synthetic folic acid into the active form methylfolate. I'm sure you already know this based on what I'm reading here, but just thought I would ask.

Or another way to phrase is, did you ever try a non methylated B complex or one that had folic acid instead of methylfolate?

I personally don't tolerate methylfolate. I take folic acid instead and that's been great!

Hi Warrior !
Thanks for your interest on my experimentation with methylation.
Just like you, I have an intolerance for methylfolate.  Like said in my post you shared above (from 2015), I react very badly to it.  I rechallenge this in 2021, and had the same bad effects, even if taken in small amount and with enough vitamin C, B12, potassium, and anything to avoid the so-called "methyl trap".   I tried as low as 50 to 100 mcg, but still not tolerated. To the best of my knowledge, it seems like taking methylfolate, which may raise the demand for different nutrients, puts me in hypokalemia  (low potassium) , something I experiment while in POIS, which seems to be related to a very personal genomic configuration.  Taking potassium while affected by methylfolate helped a bit, but recovery was long anyway, like 2 to 3 days.  I decided to not take methylfolate again, and since then, I had my full genome results, and I have only a slight problem in methylation that does not call for methylfolate, so it confirmed to me that methylfolate was not suited for my case.  As you mentioned, Warrior, it is very potent, and not for everyone !

However, I tolerate very well the usual folic acid, and I tolerate very well leafy greens  ( kale, spinach, and so on).  Leafy greens contain methylfolate, but i guess these natural source provides also what is needed to integrate it nicely, without problem, and amounts are lower, too.
Surprisingly, I tolerate methylated B12 ( methylcobalamine) very well.  B-complex are also very beneficial to me - I take some before sports and it helps me a lot for energy, and for my unusually long recovery period after exercise.  The one I take has methylcobalamine, but regular folic acid.  No side effects with it.

[Warrior]

Methylation support
Some members, in particular Kurtosis, have achieved total control over their POIS symptoms with methylation support supplements, so I got interested in methylation because of that ( I have read almost all his posts on this forum, as well as elsewhere too).  I have been reading about methylation for weeks, until I knew all I had to know about this, before trying methylation support ( I could write for hours about BH4, SAMe, L-methionine, TMG, L-methylfolate, the various cobalamine types, the methyl cycle, the methyl trap, the so-called detox reactions, the herx reactions, the various supplements used in methylation, the various SNPs involved, and the like).  Then came for me the time for testing.   I have been very, very careful.  But, well, you know, we are all different.  It didn't work at all for me. Even the smallest dose of l-methylfolate ( 1/8 of a 400mcg tablet, which means only 50mcg) would make me ill, even if taken with the appropriate amount of methylcobalamine.  I had extreme fatigue, tachycardia, and all sorts of symptoms. Like it already happened for other people sharing on CFS forums and trying methylation support,  l-methylfolate have apparently sent me in a mild to moderate hypokalemia/low potassium ( even with only 1/8 of a 400mcg tablet!).  I didn't have blood tests done, but my symptoms indeed progressively disappeared with potassium supplementation ( DO NOT take potassium without your health professional advice, it may be very detrimental to you – I took it in a very safe way, and because I am a pharmacist and know very well what doses to take and what are the signs of hypo or hyperkalemia.  Both can send you to ER, and can even cause fatal cardiac arrhythmia).  I tried l-methylfolate only 3 times, in decreasing doses, and felt ill for 2 to 3 days each time ( less the third time, because I took even less MTHF, and started potassium sooner). I sure have no interest to test further, until more is understood about methylation. TMG ( trimethylglycine, betaine), another methyl support supplement, makes me ill too, in the same manner.   Some people with ME\CFS that have been far less careful than me and have started with normal to high doses like 400mcg to 800mcg have ended up in ER with severe hypokalemia ( low potassium), and doctors just couldn't understand or believe that it has been caused by methylfolate or methylcobalamine.  So for now, I play it safe and won't take any more of these.

Hey Quantum, just read this bit about how you previously tried exploring the methylation route. My question to you is did you ever try basic folic acid or folinic acid? It's well known in the MTHFR community that methylated vitamins aren't for everyone and methylfolate is actually notoriously sensitive for many people including myself. Methylfolate is only advised if you have a significant MTHFR gene variant that may effect your ability to convert synthetic folic acid into the active form methylfolate. I'm sure you already know this based on what I'm reading here, but just thought I would ask.

Or another way to phrase is, did you ever try a non methylated B complex or one that had folic acid instead of methylfolate?

I personally don't tolerate methylfolate. I take folic acid instead and that's been great!

Hi Warrior !
Thanks for your interest on my experimentation with methylation.
Just like you, I have an intolerance for methylfolate.  Like said in my post you shared above (from 2015), I react very badly to it.  I rechallenge this in 2021, and had the same bad effects, even if taken in small amount and with enough vitamin C, B12, potassium, and anything to avoid the so-called "methyl trap".   I tried as low as 50 to 100 mcg, but still not tolerated. To the best of my knowledge, it seems like taking methylfolate, which may raise the demand for different nutrients, puts me in hypokalemia  (low potassium) , something I experiment while in POIS, which seems to be related to a very personal genomic configuration.  Taking potassium while affected by methylfolate helped a bit, but recovery was long anyway, like 2 to 3 days.  I decided to not take methylfolate again, and since then, I had my full genome results, and I have only a slight problem in methylation that does not call for methylfolate, so it confirmed to me that methylfolate was not suited for my case.  As you mentioned, Warrior, it is very potent, and not for everyone !

However, I tolerate very well the usual folic acid, and I tolerate very well leafy greens  ( kale, spinach, and so on).  Leafy greens contain methylfolate, but i guess these natural source provides also what is needed to integrate it nicely, without problem, and amounts are lower, too.
Surprisingly, I tolerate methylated B12 ( methylcobalamine) very well.  B-complex are also very beneficial to me - I take some before sports and it helps me a lot for energy, and for my unusually long recovery period after exercise.  The one I take has methylcobalamine, but regular folic acid.  No side effects with it.

Interesting. Methyl B12 and folic acid also work very well for me.

[Quantum]

Methylation support
Some members, in particular Kurtosis, have achieved total control over their POIS symptoms with methylation support supplements, so I got interested in methylation because of that ( I have read almost all his posts on this forum, as well as elsewhere too).  I have been reading about methylation for weeks, until I knew all I had to know about this, before trying methylation support ( I could write for hours about BH4, SAMe, L-methionine, TMG, L-methylfolate, the various cobalamine types, the methyl cycle, the methyl trap, the so-called detox reactions, the herx reactions, the various supplements used in methylation, the various SNPs involved, and the like).  Then came for me the time for testing.   I have been very, very careful.  But, well, you know, we are all different.  It didn't work at all for me. Even the smallest dose of l-methylfolate ( 1/8 of a 400mcg tablet, which means only 50mcg) would make me ill, even if taken with the appropriate amount of methylcobalamine.  I had extreme fatigue, tachycardia, and all sorts of symptoms. Like it already happened for other people sharing on CFS forums and trying methylation support,  l-methylfolate have apparently sent me in a mild to moderate hypokalemia/low potassium ( even with only 1/8 of a 400mcg tablet!).  I didn't have blood tests done, but my symptoms indeed progressively disappeared with potassium supplementation ( DO NOT take potassium without your health professional advice, it may be very detrimental to you – I took it in a very safe way, and because I am a pharmacist and know very well what doses to take and what are the signs of hypo or hyperkalemia.  Both can send you to ER, and can even cause fatal cardiac arrhythmia).  I tried l-methylfolate only 3 times, in decreasing doses, and felt ill for 2 to 3 days each time ( less the third time, because I took even less MTHF, and started potassium sooner). I sure have no interest to test further, until more is understood about methylation. TMG ( trimethylglycine, betaine), another methyl support supplement, makes me ill too, in the same manner.   Some people with ME\CFS that have been far less careful than me and have started with normal to high doses like 400mcg to 800mcg have ended up in ER with severe hypokalemia ( low potassium), and doctors just couldn't understand or believe that it has been caused by methylfolate or methylcobalamine.  So for now, I play it safe and won't take any more of these.

Hey Quantum, just read this bit about how you previously tried exploring the methylation route. My question to you is did you ever try basic folic acid or folinic acid? It's well known in the MTHFR community that methylated vitamins aren't for everyone and methylfolate is actually notoriously sensitive for many people including myself. Methylfolate is only advised if you have a significant MTHFR gene variant that may effect your ability to convert synthetic folic acid into the active form methylfolate. I'm sure you already know this based on what I'm reading here, but just thought I would ask.

Or another way to phrase is, did you ever try a non methylated B complex or one that had folic acid instead of methylfolate?

I personally don't tolerate methylfolate. I take folic acid instead and that's been great!

Hi Warrior !
Thanks for your interest on my experimentation with methylation.
Just like you, I have an intolerance for methylfolate.  Like said in my post you shared above (from 2015), I react very badly to it.  I rechallenge this in 2021, and had the same bad effects, even if taken in small amount and with enough vitamin C, B12, potassium, and anything to avoid the so-called "methyl trap".   I tried as low as 50 to 100 mcg, but still not tolerated. To the best of my knowledge, it seems like taking methylfolate, which may raise the demand for different nutrients, puts me in hypokalemia  (low potassium) , something I experiment while in POIS, which seems to be related to a very personal genomic configuration.  Taking potassium while affected by methylfolate helped a bit, but recovery was long anyway, like 2 to 3 days.  I decided to not take methylfolate again, and since then, I had my full genome results, and I have only a slight problem in methylation that does not call for methylfolate, so it confirmed to me that methylfolate was not suited for my case.  As you mentioned, Warrior, it is very potent, and not for everyone !

However, I tolerate very well the usual folic acid, and I tolerate very well leafy greens  ( kale, spinach, and so on).  Leafy greens contain methylfolate, but i guess these natural source provides also what is needed to integrate it nicely, without problem, and amounts are lower, too.
Surprisingly, I tolerate methylated B12 ( methylcobalamine) very well.  B-complex are also very beneficial to me - I take some before sports and it helps me a lot for energy, and for my unusually long recovery period after exercise.  The one I take has methylcobalamine, but regular folic acid.  No side effects with it.

Interesting. Methyl B12 and folic acid also work very well for me.

We may have some common SNPs (Single Nucleotides permutations) in our genome

[Physi]

Hi, has anyone else experimented Quantum?s pack as a post-pack please ?

Quantum it gives relief to you but I am wondering if you are able to have relief as a postpack because your symptoms are delayed.

Also, I wonder if for some people, the supplements should be taken way more than 30 min before. As your symptoms are delayed, should we take the time before orgasme + the time between orgasm and symptoms into account ? Do you know how long it is after orgasm before you get POIS ?

Thanks

[Quantum]

Hi, has anyone else experimented Quantum?s pack as a post-pack please ?

Quantum it gives relief to you but I am wondering if you are able to have relief as a postpack because your symptoms are delayed.

Also, I wonder if for some people, the supplements should be taken way more than 30 min before. As your symptoms are delayed, should we take the time before orgasme + the time between orgasm and symptoms into account ? Do you know how long it is after orgasm before you get POIS ?

Thanks

Hi Physi,
My POIS symptoms usually take 4 to 6 hours to appear.
I tried it in post-pack, whenever I forgot, or I had no time to take it before, and it is less effective, but still helps to lower the symptoms (if taken in the half-hour after O).
It wouldn't hurt to take it one or two hours before O, substances will still be active in the body.  But I guess that more than 3 hours before could possibly be too soon.  If anyone test it, they can report here in this thread.

[Physi]

Hi, has anyone else experimented Quantum?s pack as a post-pack please ?

Quantum it gives relief to you but I am wondering if you are able to have relief as a postpack because your symptoms are delayed.

Also, I wonder if for some people, the supplements should be taken way more than 30 min before. As your symptoms are delayed, should we take the time before orgasme + the time between orgasm and symptoms into account ? Do you know how long it is after orgasm before you get POIS ?

Thanks

Hi Physi,
My POIS symptoms usually take 4 to 6 hours to appear.
I tried it in post-pack, whenever I forgot, or I had no time to take it before, and it is less effective, but still helps to lower the symptoms (if taken in the half-hour after O).
It wouldn't hurt to take it one or two hours before O, substances will still be active in the body.  But I guess that more than 3 hours before could possibly be too soon.  If anyone test it, they can report here in this thread.

Thanks for you quick answer ands for all the info you are sharing Quantum. I am experimenting Nanna's Cascade stack at the moment. As it is a long term stack and it may take a month to be effective, I have also ordered your prepack during that time. Do you know if your stack could lower the effectiveness of Nanna's Cascade stack or if Nanna's Cascade stack could lower the effectiveness of yours ? I was thinking about taking Nanna's Cascade stack every day + your prepack before O.

[Quantum]

Hi, has anyone else experimented Quantum?s pack as a post-pack please ?

Quantum it gives relief to you but I am wondering if you are able to have relief as a postpack because your symptoms are delayed.

Also, I wonder if for some people, the supplements should be taken way more than 30 min before. As your symptoms are delayed, should we take the time before orgasme + the time between orgasm and symptoms into account ? Do you know how long it is after orgasm before you get POIS ?

Thanks

Hi Physi,
My POIS symptoms usually take 4 to 6 hours to appear.
I tried it in post-pack, whenever I forgot, or I had no time to take it before, and it is less effective, but still helps to lower the symptoms (if taken in the half-hour after O).
It wouldn't hurt to take it one or two hours before O, substances will still be active in the body.  But I guess that more than 3 hours before could possibly be too soon.  If anyone test it, they can report here in this thread.

Thanks for you quick answer ands for all the info you are sharing Quantum. I am experimenting Nanna's Cascade stack at the moment. As it is a long term stack and it may take a month to be effective, I have also ordered your prepack during that time. Do you know if your stack could lower the effectiveness of Nanna's Cascade stack or if Nanna's Cascade stack could lower the effectiveness of yours ? I was thinking about taking Nanna's Cascade stack every day + your prepack before O.

Hi Physi,
Since there are many supplements in both stacks, I do not have time to consider all possibilities.   At first glance, I can see that there would be a possible additive interaction between SAMe from the Nanna's stack and 5-HTP in mine, leading to too much serotonine. Also, there are EPA and DHA (Omega-3) in both , so you would have to adjust accordingly. 
My best advice would be to first go on with Nanna's stack, and then, eventually stop it, and try my pre-pack on its own.   Maybe on of these, alone, would be enough to control your POIS symptoms.

[Physi]

Hi, has anyone else experimented Quantum?s pack as a post-pack please ?

Quantum it gives relief to you but I am wondering if you are able to have relief as a postpack because your symptoms are delayed.

Also, I wonder if for some people, the supplements should be taken way more than 30 min before. As your symptoms are delayed, should we take the time before orgasme + the time between orgasm and symptoms into account ? Do you know how long it is after orgasm before you get POIS ?

Thanks

Hi Physi,
My POIS symptoms usually take 4 to 6 hours to appear.
I tried it in post-pack, whenever I forgot, or I had no time to take it before, and it is less effective, but still helps to lower the symptoms (if taken in the half-hour after O).
It wouldn't hurt to take it one or two hours before O, substances will still be active in the body.  But I guess that more than 3 hours before could possibly be too soon.  If anyone test it, they can report here in this thread.

Thanks for you quick answer ands for all the info you are sharing Quantum. I am experimenting Nanna's Cascade stack at the moment. As it is a long term stack and it may take a month to be effective, I have also ordered your prepack during that time. Do you know if your stack could lower the effectiveness of Nanna's Cascade stack or if Nanna's Cascade stack could lower the effectiveness of yours ? I was thinking about taking Nanna's Cascade stack every day + your prepack before O.

Hi Physi,
Since there are many supplements in both stacks, I do not have time to consider all possibilities.   At first glance, I can see that there would be a possible additive interaction between SAMe from the Nanna's stack and 5-HTP in mine, leading to too much serotonine. Also, there are EPA and DHA (Omega-3) in both , so you would have to adjust accordingly. 
My best advice would be to first go on with Nanna's stack, and then, eventually stop it, and try my pre-pack on its own.   Maybe on of these, alone, would be enough to control your POIS symptoms.

Thanks Quantum

[homie9]

Quantum, can you provide the brand of supplements in your pre-pack, just to make it easier to find the exact doses?

[Quantum]

Quantum, can you provide the brand of supplements in your pre-pack, just to make it easier to find the exact doses?

Hi, Homies,
Brands are not that important, if you stay in well-known, quality brands ( Vitacost.com own brand is ok, Now Foods brand, Jamieson is great, Holista, Webber Naturals, Natural Factors, ...).  I use things that are available around here, and order what is not easily found here. There is what I use :

1 x Quercetin 500mg / Bromelain 750GDU ( Vitacost.com , online order)
1x Peppered curcumin  (curcuma longa 400 mg + piperin 5mg) (Roots of life, a good Canadian brand, but there are many good  preparation available everywhere ) or Webber Advanced Curcuma 500 mg available in Canada at Costco ( https://www.costco.ca/webber-naturals-turmeric-advanced%2c-120-capsules.product.100427394.html?langId=-24 )
1 x 5-HTP 50mg  ( Natural Factors, or any quality brand )
1 x Green tea extract 200mg ( Holista, or Jamieson, a good Canadian brand, or any other good brand )
2 x Magnesium 100mg / tablet (I use Jamieson, my favorite, http://www.jamiesonvitamins.com/products/magnesium-100-mg )
2 x Flaxseed oil,  1000mg/caps ( Holista, or any quality brand )
1 x Lycopene  10mg (Jamieson )
1 x L-Theanine 250mg (Santé-Naturelle AG, an excellent  Quebec brand  - https://adriengagnon.com/en/collections/l-theanine/products/relaxen-day-formula-60-caps , the preparation is called "Relaxen Day", but this may be hard to find out of Canada, and other good lines of products will have the L-Theanine for sure )

Unless you have marked hypotension when in POIS, do not use the potassium.

Make sure with your health advisor that you do not have any contra-indication for any of these products, and before trying them in a pack, try them at least once alone, to see your personal tolerance to each of them. 

[homie9]

Thank you Quantum. One day your contributions to helping POIS sufferers needs to be recognized. Your pre-pack has saved me since finding it in 2017. Wishing you and your family an incredible new year.

[Quantum]

Thank you Quantum. One day your contributions to helping POIS sufferers needs to be recognized. Your pre-pack has saved me since finding it in 2017. Wishing you and your family an incredible new year.

Thanks for your kind words, Homie, I appreciate it I am glad that sharing my method have been helping you to reduce your POIS symptoms for all those years.
Happy New Year to you and your family as well !