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A whole life of POIS
« on: September 05, 2017, 11:33:19 AM »
I am Julius. This is my first post here. I have had POIS since my thirteenth. I am still suffering from it. Before I discovered this forum, I thought I was the only one. I am convinced that the world wouldn’t function the way it does, if this POIS-condition was something normal. But then I discovered this forum. After I have read some stories of other members I was relieved that I am not the only one. I also found out that most members suffer more than I do.

My symptoms last exactly three nights (I have to sleep exactly three nights to get rid of the misery). During these days I feel tired. I cannot concentrate/think clear (which is the worst part of it). I don’t want to see anyone nor talk to anyone. I am just waiting for these horrible days to pass. I have never been in a relationship because of this.

But luck was at my side with regard to one thing. I am not getting sick after nocturnal emission. I wake up completely normal the day after. Is this a rare condition? Am I the only one?

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Re: A whole life of POIS
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2017, 05:59:20 PM »
Welcome to the forum, Julius.  It is indeed a big relief when we find out that we are not alone in the world with this problem !

I am glad for you that you have no POIS after a NE, that would be viewed as a blessing for many members, in particualr those who choose total abstinence rather than suffering from POIS, but are still vulnerable to POIS because of NE.

There are many members who have less severe POIS symptoms and shorter duration, following a NE.  that is my case ( I have approx a 30% POIS after a NE, compared to POIS when I do not use my pre-pack) , and the case for many others too. Some have almost no symptoms after a NE. But I am not sure about other members having totally no symptoms after a NE. 

Unfortunanately, some have as much symptoms wiht a NE than with a "waking state" release.

Maybe others will share they have the same "blessing" as you, once they have read your post.

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Re: A whole life of POIS
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2017, 03:39:46 PM »
Welcome to the forum Julius.

For me I have less symptoms after ne compared to real orgasm. I can say it is about 20 - 40 % in severity. Maybe this reduction in symptoms due to that the amount of semen released after an ne is less than it of real orgasm.

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Re: A whole life of POIS
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2017, 09:46:36 PM »
Welcome, julius!
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: A whole life of POIS
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2017, 03:28:37 PM »

...I am not getting sick after nocturnal emission. I wake up completely normal the day after. Is this a rare condition? Am I the only one?


I am only one POISer but NE's in my life history have been absolutely POIS-horrendous!

I'm lucky that NE's   f i n a l l y   stopped for me -- completely -- as I aged (I don't remember exactly when). But when NE's were an abnormal part of my life (most of my entire adult life!), I suffered POIS *greatly* after each-and-every NE! :( :(

I know this might seem childish to you...but it all seemed so... UNFAIR! Why? Because it's such an involuntary act! And not preventable -- at least not in any way I could successfully implement.

« Last Edit: September 08, 2017, 03:50:19 PM by demografx »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: A whole life of POIS
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2017, 05:00:41 PM »
Since no-one knows what causes POIS, it is unnecessary to ask what might cause this difference. In my experience, the amount of liquid released doesn’t matter at all. I have never noticed any difference in the severity of the symptoms with regard to the amount of liquid released. The number of times I release (during a day) also doesn’t affect the severity of the symptoms. Nor does it lengthen the time I need to recover.

Some of you said that NE caused less severe symptoms than usual (30% less). Does this also mean that you need less time (less days) to recover? Or is your recovery time always the same fixed number of days/nights?

@ demografx, I understand that. Someone who doesn’t suffer from POIS, can’t even start to imagine what it’s like. I do suffer from POIS. I do know. I always thought that my condition was bad, until I read that there were people who get POIS by surprise and even experience physical pain. What I fear most is that my condition will worsen someday. Some members here even got POIS on later age. We just don’t know what we are dealing with.

The only thing I regret is staying alone. It’s not worth it.  I won’t ruin my life nor make the life of someone hard just for me to be with someone.

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Re: A whole life of POIS
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2017, 06:25:56 PM »
Welcome Julius.

NE cause me bad Pois, but def. milder then when I am awake.
Interesting that you don't get Pois after NE, on the other hand your Pois last 3 nights while mine "only"(irony) 48h...
In case that I am not trying to help myself with Magnessium and some other supplements in that case it can last much longer. Ironically Magnessium seems to help to some members.
So if I learned somehing here that would be that despite the fact that there are some paterns it seems that in the end every Pois is story for itself.
Take care!
« Last Edit: September 10, 2017, 06:27:31 PM by Spartak »
no sugar diet helps me a tiny bit, also makes my mind much calmer in general. Sugar is definitely something my body does not handle well. Also I noticed that other inflammations like a hangover are better since I quit sugar. I avoid sweet fruits as well.

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Re: A whole life of POIS
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2017, 01:16:26 PM »
Welcome Julius.

NE cause me bad Pois, but def. milder then when I am awake.
Interesting that you don't get Pois after NE, on the other hand your Pois last 3 nights while mine "only"(irony) 48h...
In case that I am not trying to help myself with Magnessium and some other supplements in that case it can last much longer. Ironically Magnessium seems to help to some members.
So if I learned somehing here that would be that despite the fact that there are some paterns it seems that in the end every Pois is story for itself.
Take care!

Three members on this page (with demografx as an exception) confirm that they suffer less after NE. To my knowledge, there was a Dutch doctor who proposed that POIS might be caused by an allergic reaction to semen liquid. This might be the case for some sufferers. But this wouldn’t make any sense in my case.

Another interesting thing you mentioned, is that the supplements you take affect your recovery time. How long would it take for you to recover if you don’t take anything. And how did you count 48 hours? Do your symptoms vanish gradually during the third day (which is farfetched)? Or are you ill during the remaining part of day 1 and during day 2. In that case you would wake up normal at day 3.

I also noticed is that the climate of the location also affects the severity of the illness and the bad feeling during the POIS-period.  It seems that a warmer climate is slightly beneficial. But I have to admit that there is no significant difference. It's still pretty bad. 

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Re: A whole life of POIS
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2017, 04:38:55 PM »
To my knowledge, there was a Dutch doctor who proposed that POIS might be caused by an allergic reaction to semen liquid. This might be the case for some sufferers. But this wouldn’t make any sense in my case.
I think the allergy theory has been sufficiently discredited by now.


« Last Edit: September 13, 2017, 08:15:10 PM by demografx »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: A whole life of POIS
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2018, 06:13:58 PM »
It has been  4 months since my first post on this forum. I have not been posting a lot, because there was not much to share. I have suffered from POIS for more than 10 years. I experienced it from the very first release and  I was afraid that I will have to deal with POIS for the rest of my life. I chose to abstain completely from any sexual activity. Even though this is not easy and I failed a lot of times.

Every single time it happened, I regretted it immediately. The POIS symptoms kicked in directly. I felt an irritating pressure on the sides of my head. My life would be a hell for the next few days. It felt like all my energy and sense was drained and left my body. I was not my confident self any more. I did not want to do anything. I just waited for the next few days to pass.

Over the years, the symptoms softened somehow. The pressure I felt on my ears became weaker. It was still there and it felt horrible. I couldn’t focus on anything.

But now something happened. After abstaining for 9 week, I relapsed at a moment of weakness. While I sat there, disgusted with myself, wondering how bad things are going to be this time, nothing happened…. I felt no pressure on the side of my head. I didn’t feel the mental weakness I used to feel. I felt tired though. The next few days were not my best days and I didn’t feel at my best. I felt like I had normal off days. But I did not have POIS-days…

This kept me wondering. I did not really change anything in my life in the last few months. I have lost some weight though, because I tried to structure my diet more. My food was not even that healthy in the last months. I definitely had better periods in the last 10 years for that matter. Then, after a period of one week I tried it again. It was just like the last time. What does this mean? I don’t even know how to feel about this. I just wanted to share it with you.

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Re: A whole life of POIS
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2018, 03:52:24 AM »
It has been  4 months since my first post on this forum. I have not been posting a lot, because there was not much to share. I have suffered from POIS for more than 10 years. I experienced it from the very first release and  I was afraid that I will have to deal with POIS for the rest of my life. I chose to abstain completely from any sexual activity. Even though this is not easy and I failed a lot of times.

Every single time it happened, I regretted it immediately. The POIS symptoms kicked in directly. I felt an irritating pressure on the sides of my head. My life would be a hell for the next few days. It felt like all my energy and sense was drained and left my body. I was not my confident self any more. I did not want to do anything. I just waited for the next few days to pass.

Over the years, the symptoms softened somehow. The pressure I felt on my ears became weaker. It was still there and it felt horrible. I couldn’t focus on anything.

But now something happened. After abstaining for 9 week, I relapsed at a moment of weakness. While I sat there, disgusted with myself, wondering how bad things are going to be this time, nothing happened…. I felt no pressure on the side of my head. I didn’t feel the mental weakness I used to feel. I felt tired though. The next few days were not my best days and I didn’t feel at my best. I felt like I had normal off days. But I did not have POIS-days…

This kept me wondering. I did not really change anything in my life in the last few months. I have lost some weight though, because I tried to structure my diet more. My food was not even that healthy in the last months. I definitely had better periods in the last 10 years for that matter. Then, after a period of one week I tried it again. It was just like the last time. What does this mean? I don’t even know how to feel about this. I just wanted to share it with you.

I've read some members posts they experienced the same abstaining that you did (I'm abstaining now It's been 2.5 weeks, I'll try this too), and then ejaculate after a long period of abstaining, from what I recall they mentioned they didn't have any POIS after the first ejaculation, but If you kept ejaculating let's say every 2 days after the long period of abstaining, POIS will gradually come back, so I think It's just a matter of how long can you abstain to ejaculate once without POIS. I'm planning as same as you to abstain for 7-9 weeks, then minimize my sexual activity to 1-2 ejaculation per week (using niacin, I've never used it before and I'm so excited). maybe somehow this plan will change me to live a normal lifestyle unlike living with heavy POIS symptoms every week, hopefully.

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Re: A whole life of POIS
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2018, 05:06:33 AM »
Obviously my opinion is different than some people here because diet controls all of my symptoms, so as soon as I heard you structured your diet a little more i am wondering if maybe you have a type of POIS that I have that is caused by unknown food sensitivities, mainly iga and igg reactions. If you find out that this may be the case than I would recommend an elimination diet to find what foods cause you problems.
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My POIS managed with Diet (@ diet that 100% manages my pois)Believe my POIS stems from inflammation in the gut. O = neuro POIS from inflammation from the gut

Current supps: microdose of zyrtec and gaia liquid olive leaf extract for sleep. Micro astragalus and 1tsp ev olive oil for energy .

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Re: A whole life of POIS
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2018, 07:44:55 AM »
It has been  4 months since my first post on this forum. I have not been posting a lot, because there was not much to share. I have suffered from POIS for more than 10 years. I experienced it from the very first release and  I was afraid that I will have to deal with POIS for the rest of my life. I chose to abstain completely from any sexual activity. Even though this is not easy and I failed a lot of times.

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Over the years, the symptoms softened somehow. The pressure I felt on my ears became weaker. It was still there and it felt horrible. I couldn’t focus on anything.

But now something happened. After abstaining for 9 week, I relapsed at a moment of weakness. While I sat there, disgusted with myself, wondering how bad things are going to be this time, nothing happened…. I felt no pressure on the side of my head. I didn’t feel the mental weakness I used to feel. I felt tired though. The next few days were not my best days and I didn’t feel at my best. I felt like I had normal off days. But I did not have POIS-days…


That's really interesting Julius. Something really similar happened to me a few weeks ago - I had an Orgasm without taking any remedy before and I got very mild symptoms. I also felt like "over-excited"

The Orgasm intensity was also incredibly strong and I am wondering if this fact has something to do with POIS symptoms. Maybe you would like to replicate the experience, since you don't need any remedy to do so.

https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2609.0

You can always try the niacin path-way or nanna's stack as well, after consulting with an open-minded doctor. Diet has also consistently shown to improve/reduce the symptoms. Having a healthy diet is always good for you, whether you have POIS or not.

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Re: A whole life of POIS
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2018, 01:13:56 PM »
@Meshal, I have to tell you that I have abstained for periods of 10 months and 6 months in the past and it wouldn’t make a difference at all. After an ejaculation the symptoms would be equally bad as before.

@ Going less Crazy, by structuring my diet, I meant eating on fixed times. Paying attention to whether I drink enough water during the day, consumption of vegetables/fruits, not consuming too much sweet stuff etc.

@ Observer, the usual symptoms were not there. I was able to do some work. But I still had difficulties with focusing and setting my mind on the things I was trying to do. It also would like to mention that multiple ejaculations on the same day, do not result in worse symptoms.

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Re: A whole life of POIS
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2018, 04:47:19 PM »
"Mybe some people hawe smaller symptoms from NE because it si much much smaller stimulation. Smaller stimulation -smaller errections-smaller mast cells HISTAMINES realese=smaller symptoms. NE is probbly hapening beacuse to much histamines in our bodys, and due to diferent reasons we cant clear hisatime fast from our body. As reading Kurtosis opinions and teory that make sense to me."
« Last Edit: February 03, 2018, 04:51:10 PM by Hopeoneday »
Dr-pois.

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Re: A whole life of POIS
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2018, 04:30:46 PM »
"Mybe some people hawe smaller symptoms from NE because it si much much smaller stimulation. Smaller stimulation -smaller errections-smaller mast cells HISTAMINES realese=smaller symptoms. NE is probbly hapening beacuse to much histamines in our bodys, and due to diferent reasons we cant clear hisatime fast from our body. As reading Kurtosis opinions and teory that make sense to me."

The problem here is that people that suffer from Histamine intolerance dot not get sick after having sex. There might be some similarities though. I have read that niacin rebalances Histamine levels and actually work for people that have histamine intolerance.

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Re: A whole life of POIS
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2018, 03:27:29 PM »
Well, Kurtosis hawe if a remeber 6 gene mutations, and thats why it is coplicated.
What is the couse of our ilnes can be many thing including genetics wariations, and
gene expresion could be viral, bacterilal...

His words for exemple:

>>>Following my genetic tests I believe I have low levels of BH4.
I have MTHFR c677t a1298c and the GCH1 mutations. This was an interesting discovery.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrobiopterin_deficiency

and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21466440
So I possibly feel less pain but low levels of BH4 may increase mast cell instability.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14514683

So yeah, I think this gives me something to think about. People with low BH4 may supplement synthetic bh4 or take other stuff to boost BH4 or boost neurotransmitter levels. Stuff like L-Dopa, and 5-HTP. This doesn't mean I have sexual exhaustion, just that I don't create neurotransmitters as efficiently as I could and that I may have reduced levels of glutathione and higher levels of homocysteine<<<

Here is the intresting of peoples list who find big help from antihistamines.
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1060.msg9574#msg9574


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Dr-pois.

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Re: A whole life of POIS
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2018, 12:48:10 PM »
Well, I have tried taking Loratadine (10 mg) after ejaculation.  I took it again over 24 hours. It didn't change a single thing.

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Re: A whole life of POIS
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2018, 01:21:09 PM »
Well, I have tried taking Loratadine (10 mg) after ejaculation.  I took it again over 24 hours. It didn't change a single thing.

Hello Julius

Maybe you should consider to take it some time Before ejaculation since it might work better. In case POIS is an auto-immune/allergic reaction, it will work better if taken before the event that triggers the auto-immune response.

I think some members have followed this protocol before.

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Re: A whole life of POIS
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2018, 01:53:12 PM »
Well, I have tried taking Loratadine (10 mg) after ejaculation.  I took it again over 24 hours. It didn't change a single thing.

Hello Julius

Maybe you should consider to take it some time Before ejaculation since it might work better. In case POIS is an auto-immune/allergic reaction, it will work better if taken before the event that triggers the auto-immune response.

I think some members have followed this protocol before.

I read that some members experienced that their symptoms diminished after taking Loratadine. In my case it didn't make a difference. The duration of illness was the same as usual. But maybe you are right. It might be the case that taking Loratadine 30 minutes beforehand works better. Even though I don't expect it.

Theoretically it is possible to push semen out by putting pressure on the prostate without involving any sexual stimulation. Would this also cause POIS according to your theory?
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