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Hi - if there's a thread on NE wet dreams, can some one kindly paste the link? I've read scattered posts but I am AMAZED that there is not one thread that I can find on people's success in taking vitmains/supplements/drugs after a NE. The only effective plans in threads are for taking them before 'o'.

This forum has been around for years. Surely we can get the methods people use after a NE and the success rates they have with those methods... I read one post about taking 2 benadryl's immediately after 'o' plus Zyrtec every day which totally wiped out symptoms for one guy. What are people doing for NE's and what percentage of your symptoms are reduced as a result of what you're doing?

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Re: Did I miss 'the' thread on NE's - is that why nobody replies?
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2017, 01:18:47 AM »
I know Quantum takes his usual pre-pack, and has helpfully mentioned that while it isn't an impressive result, it still does help a bit. How much is 'a bit' though, Quantum? 20% reduction in symptoms if taken after 'o'?

If we can figure out how people can best treat their NE's (rather than knowing only how to prevent POIS symptoms), isn't that information crucial to determine what CAUSES pois?

Can we compile a list of people's treatment plans for NE's and how much their treatment plans are reducing symptoms...? Or did I miss the party on that one.

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Re: Did I miss 'the' thread on NE's - is that why nobody replies?
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2017, 03:24:25 PM »
Just to be clear, what do you mean by "treating NEs"?

About successful treatments, I guess its complicated, there are many different types of POIS documented by Quantum in his types chart thread (http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2338.0) with different relief methods. I've read a lot on the forum during the last 1-2 years and still I think I didnt even see half of it, but I stumbled upon many different such methods/drugs/supplements people use before, directly after ejaculation or later in the POIS cycle, some to prevent symptoms, some to relieve/mask them. In my opinion its incredibly hard to determine which things help and and which don't, "scientific" and patient experiements need to be conducted which are basically flawed/biased by our lack of objectivity and control studies and are affected by the time the ejaculations occur, how they occur, other external influences. You could use for example elimination approaches to finding things that help nonetheless there is a lot of effort and persitence involved and in the end there is always doubt. Often things seem to help once or twice or a month and then cease to have effect. What is left for me in the end is only exercise and meditation which at least help in dealing with/masking the symptoms (in terms of percentage at best by 50%). One month ago I started doing a daily POIS journal entry for myself listing symptoms, major events, influences, methods tried etc (took me a while from the idea of doing this to acutally have the required discipline). I hope this will one day give me enough data to clearly identify some patterns (right now I have only many assumptions/hunches on whats going on) but it's a long way ahead.

I understand your point and like your idea with the list of treatment plans. Information is all over the place and it might help to sort/list/confirm/debunk all the things. Maybe we can find better ways to collect data so it isnt read and forgotten about. I consider Quantum a very valuable contributor and a pioneer in this matter (not only because of his pois type charts), its a very cool thing of him to put in the time, certainly not to be taken for granted.

I hope what I wrote is somehow helpful to anyone, these are just some thought I've been having recently. I hope I can contribute more in the future, I like sorting/organizing information, but beside my job and coping with POIS there is so little time and energy left.


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Re: Did I miss 'the' thread on NE's - is that why nobody replies?
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2017, 04:56:00 PM »
Most of us dont have a good remedy for post orgasm, that is why you are not getting any response.

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Re: Did I miss 'the' thread on NE's - is that why nobody replies?
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2017, 05:12:18 PM »
Gotcha. Thanks. Thought I may have missed a crucial thread on it...

Yeah, the issue is time... perhaps if we all chip in, instead of o
1 or 2 people doing everything, we can figure this thing out.

It's important that we speak up and document our successes and failures for different remedies, the information is still very scattered... the more members documenting their experiences, the more we we will be able to identify the root cause...

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Re: Did I miss 'the' thread on NE's - is that why nobody replies?
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2017, 05:07:26 PM »
i have a list that i have compiled over years of different treatments tried. I will post it  others can add to it.
There is also a treatment summary list in the treatment sections.
We need clinical research to answer the questions you are asking.
May be  a group of us can work together and do some intensive research with google scholar  while we wait for clinical research.

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Re: Did I miss 'the' thread on NE's - is that why nobody replies?
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2017, 08:28:56 PM »
I know Quantum takes his usual pre-pack, and has helpfully mentioned that while it isn't an impressive result, it still does help a bit. How much is 'a bit' though, Quantum? 20% reduction in symptoms if taken after 'o'?

If we can figure out how people can best treat their NE's (rather than knowing only how to prevent POIS symptoms), isn't that information crucial to determine what CAUSES pois?

Can we compile a list of people's treatment plans for NE's and how much their treatment plans are reducing symptoms...? Or did I miss the party on that one.

Hi Michael,

I just came back from a 2 weeks vacations, and now can answer your questions.


First, my pre-pack, when taken not long after I had a NE ( so as a "post-pack"),  will have a 50% to 70% effectiveness.  this could be considered major relief, but I am more used now to 80%-100% relief, when taken approx. 30 minutes before release.    But I will have to keep on taking some supplements, every 4 hours for one day or two, just like when my pre-pack have not prevented all symptoms ( I have explained this at the end of the post where I have detailed my prevention method at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2090.msg16604#msg16604  )


And, about a NE thread on this forum, the best one is at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2151.msg17197#msg17197 .    Take the time to read it through, you may find something useful for you in it   ( I have myself submitted some comments in it, and have added some others months later as I had some more suggestions to make).  There are no ways to completely avoid NE, I think, so, as I have already mentioned, I use "pre-programmed releases" at convenient time, with the use of my pre-pack, whenever I think I may have a NE soon, so then I can use my pre-pack.
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Re: Did I miss 'the' thread on NE's - is that why nobody replies?
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2017, 08:38:04 PM »
Just to be clear, what do you mean by "treating NEs"?

About successful treatments, I guess its complicated, there are many different types of POIS documented by Quantum in his types chart thread (http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2338.0) with different relief methods. I've read a lot on the forum during the last 1-2 years and still I think I didnt even see half of it, but I stumbled upon many different such methods/drugs/supplements people use before, directly after ejaculation or later in the POIS cycle, some to prevent symptoms, some to relieve/mask them. In my opinion its incredibly hard to determine which things help and and which don't, "scientific" and patient experiements need to be conducted which are basically flawed/biased by our lack of objectivity and control studies and are affected by the time the ejaculations occur, how they occur, other external influences. You could use for example elimination approaches to finding things that help nonetheless there is a lot of effort and persitence involved and in the end there is always doubt. Often things seem to help once or twice or a month and then cease to have effect. What is left for me in the end is only exercise and meditation which at least help in dealing with/masking the symptoms (in terms of percentage at best by 50%). One month ago I started doing a daily POIS journal entry for myself listing symptoms, major events, influences, methods tried etc (took me a while from the idea of doing this to acutally have the required discipline). I hope this will one day give me enough data to clearly identify some patterns (right now I have only many assumptions/hunches on whats going on) but it's a long way ahead.

I understand your point and like your idea with the list of treatment plans. Information is all over the place and it might help to sort/list/confirm/debunk all the things. Maybe we can find better ways to collect data so it isnt read and forgotten about. I consider Quantum a very valuable contributor and a pioneer in this matter (not only because of his pois type charts), its a very cool thing of him to put in the time, certainly not to be taken for granted.

I hope what I wrote is somehow helpful to anyone, these are just some thought I've been having recently. I hope I can contribute more in the future, I like sorting/organizing information, but beside my job and coping with POIS there is so little time and energy left.





Thank you, paradoxx, for your good words about my posts, they are truly appreciated :)

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Re: Did I miss 'the' thread on NE's - is that why nobody replies?
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2017, 02:42:14 AM »
Thanks for your replies guys - always a huge help.

Quantum, 50-70% is HUGE. If more people were aware of how good your prepack was, surely they would try it our. Surprised more people haven't spoken up about your pre-pack. Almost makes me want to have a NE and get POIS so I can try it out!

Thanks again for your detailed helpful reply.

I tend to agree with previous speculation regarding the brain becoming very unbalanced at the time of orgasm - due to lacking something which the Vitamin B's or whatever is in your pre-pack make up for if taken at the right time prior to orgasm. To me this seems logical, being that they are only or most effective when taken prior to release, not after. Although 50-70% is extremely good as a post-pack!

Are we making any progress with doctors or research? Has this forum raised enough money to investigate it more deeply?

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Re: Did I miss 'the' thread on NE's - is that why nobody replies?
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2017, 02:51:31 AM »
Paradox,

Thank you for the detailed reply. Much appreciated. Totally agree, there's so much data all over the place and it would be great to have it all summarised and put into spreadsheets or as a more simplified report on what works, how many people it works for, the degree to which it works, etc. This has already been done in a few amazing posts by Quantum and others. It's also a question of time, and people having the motivation to spend the time to submit their data. Agree, Quantum is INCREDIBLE. Perhaps a few of us can chip in, divide tasks, so only a few people are burdened by updating info. Let's make this is a collaborative effort. We all suffer this bitch of a condition. We should all help one another in any way we can!

Cheers, and again, appreciate your reply.

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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2017, 09:33:37 AM »
Thanks for your replies guys - always a huge help.

Quantum, 50-70% is HUGE. If more people were aware of how good your prepack was, surely they would try it our. Surprised more people haven't spoken up about your pre-pack. Almost makes me want to have a NE and get POIS so I can try it out!

Thanks again for your detailed helpful reply.

I tend to agree with previous speculation regarding the brain becoming very unbalanced at the time of orgasm - due to lacking something which the Vitamin B's or whatever is in your pre-pack make up for if taken at the right time prior to orgasm. To me this seems logical, being that they are only or most effective when taken prior to release, not after. Although 50-70% is extremely good as a post-pack!

Are we making any progress with doctors or research? Has this forum raised enough money to investigate it more deeply?

Yes, it's a good level of relief.  But it has to be reminded that I had always less severe POIS from a NE than form a "waking state" release.


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Re: Did I miss 'the' thread on NE's - is that why nobody replies?
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2017, 09:35:31 AM »
Paradox,

Thank you for the detailed reply. Much appreciated. Totally agree, there's so much data all over the place and it would be great to have it all summarised and put into spreadsheets or as a more simplified report on what works, how many people it works for, the degree to which it works, etc. This has already been done in a few amazing posts by Quantum and others. It's also a question of time, and people having the motivation to spend the time to submit their data. Agree, Quantum is INCREDIBLE. Perhaps a few of us can chip in, divide tasks, so only a few people are burdened by updating info. Let's make this is a collaborative effort. We all suffer this bitch of a condition. We should all help one another in any way we can!

Cheers, and again, appreciate your reply.


Thanks again for you words of appreciation, Michael and paradoxx !
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Re: Did I miss 'the' thread on NE's - is that why nobody replies?
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2017, 11:07:53 AM »
I now add Claritin-D 24 hrs in the morning after an NE. This is done in addition to the pre-pack immediately after an NE. The cognitive symptoms are 90% gone.

See my comments in Quantum's post: http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2090.0

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« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2017, 03:31:20 AM »
Amazing timing romies. Thank you so much for that added info. I had a NE this morning. Hilarious how the issue of POIS has shifted for me from planned release being the problem to now only worrying about NE's. One can try their best to plan your release just before you think you're due for one... but in the end, it's very unpredictable. I had a programmed release on Friday night with my prepack and was perfect. Come Sunday early morning and bang, a NE.

The quest to treat NE's begins... Romies, I'll read into your prepack, although from what I skimmed through, it sounds like you take yours daily? Perhaps was wrong, will have another read over your post.

Thank you again! Huge help.

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« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2017, 07:12:32 AM »
Question or 2 for Quantum & Romies coming. :)

Right, so I re-read your post romies. Had confused it with some one elses. Nice to see you derived your pack from Quantum!

I went out tonight to the pharmacy - damn expensive here in Sydney. Bought some Quercetain, Flaxseed Oil and Peppered Curcumin to add to the rapidly growing supplement buffet. Seriously it is a joke - there are about 20 different supplements on this shelf now. G-d only knows which ones actually help.

I'm currently in a NE POIS cycle so apologies if this post sounds a bit all over the place. It wasn't too bad today - pumping a fair amount of Magnesium, Fish Oil, Vitamin C, Zinc, Fenugreek & Vitamin E and today's been relatively better for a 1st day POIS. My 2nd day is the real killer - wondering how the Quercetain, Flaxseed Oil and Curcumin will affect things. I wonder how effective they are 1 day into POIS? None of the big pharmacies sell 5-HTP here, but it's easy enough to get online so that will have to wait.

My symptoms are predominantly mental - quite a lot of brain fog, memory, concentration, anxiety, social anxiety, etc.

Romies - I looked for Claritin-D 24 hour release but it doesn't exist here. It's called Clarityne-D in Australia and it's only 12 hour release. You mentioned it wasn't effective in the 12 hour, so I didn't buy it. I asked if there were any other brands with the same ingredients with a 24 hour release and they didn't know of one. They had just normal 'Clarityne' 24 hour release which is the OTC but isn't a decongestant. Specifically for NE's, is there anything else I can take to treat this ridiculousness that lasts for 2 days? Only concerned about the mental symptoms, don't care about the physical ones.

Also, Quantum - what would you say are the most crucial supplements in your prepack regarding conquering the mental symptoms alone? As mentioned, the B's often work well taken before release but in the case of a NE, B's worsen symptoms, so the plan is to test the efficacy of your prepack after NE's.

Lastly, since I don't really eat fish (only once in a while) I always include fish oil in my prepack. Actually I try to take the Fish Oil a few days a week but often forget. So tonight I purchased the Flaxseed Oil. I always thought they served the same purpose with the Omega 3's - so what do you think about taking both? Is it too much?

Sorry if these questions sound ridiculous... I have never been one to pay attention to these kind of details.

Thanks for all the help.

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« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2017, 07:24:06 AM »
Quantum, I just read this. Flaxseed oil vs. Fish oil. Nevermind the source, am sure there are millions of articles that say both flaxseed oil is better and others say fish oil is. Wondering why you choose Flaxseed Oil?

https://universityhealthnews.com/daily/nutrition/the-best-omega-3-supplement-flaxseed-oil-vs-fish-oil/

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« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2017, 09:28:57 AM »
Hi Michael,

First, it's great to see the huge progress you have made in the last months.  You now have an effective pre-pack to control the symptoms of any "waking state" release, when you take it before. That's a great, great improvement !

Next step is NE management, of course.  I agree, they are unpredictable, and can happen a few days after a waking state release, or before the usual delay.   I have that too, but happily, it happens far less often as I age ( I am 52).

Did you try taking the exact same pre-pack you take before a planned release, as soon as you are aware that you had a NE ?   If so, what were the results ?   From what you have written, I guess that the B-complex part of your pre-pack version does not work very well as a "post-NE pack".  In that regard, I think getting some quercetin, curcumin and flaxseed is something worth trying.  I use them, and they are also useful post-NE, even if best when taken as a pre-pack.   Also, they are all safe supplements, and all three are largely recognized as healthy substances.

Whenever I have "leftover POIS symptoms", be it from a NE or else, I have to take some supplements every 4 to 6 hours, to control those symptoms.  I usually cycle between supplements from one supplement dose to another, for better results.  This imply I use some interesting supplements that are not in my pre-pack.  I stopped stacking things in my pre-pack when it got to a point of reliable efficiency.  but that does not mean that supplements like vitamin C, ginkgo, Moducare, taurine, pine bark extract, berry extracts, and so on, are not helping against my POIS, and I often use them and similar ones against remaining symptoms.   

I think you would be afraid of how many supplements I have here in stock...lol .   Many POIS sufferers tried so many supplements, alone or in combination, that we often end with a full cupboard.  I even have a box in the basement with those that I did not tolerate well, along with a note of what happened when I tried them ( we never have too much information, so I collect alI the info I can).   However, I have around 30 supplements I use, that I know have positive effects for me, be it for my POIS, for sport, or other reason like when I have a cold or else.  My current trend is to eat more veggies and fruits through my green smoothies, and take less supplements, but my anti-POIS pre-pack is still essential and cannot be skipped.


Claritin D 24hours is not available in Canada neither.  But, it is over the counter and easy to mimic. If someone takes on regular Claritin 24hours, along with a 60mg tablets of pseudoephedrine, at the same time, and then 12 hours after, results are equivalent.   There are many brands of plain, 12 hours pseudoephedrine, like Sudafed, ask the pharmacist to show one to you if interested in trying it, and make sure that the formulation has no other ingredients in the formula ( and, of course, check with the pharmacist if this is suitable and safe for you).


About fish oils and flaxseed, I must underline that I do not take the flaxseeds for their omega-3 content, but for the lignans in it, which are good antioxidants, and NMDA receptors blockers, so good against excitotoxicity and anxiety.  For omega-3 ,  fish oils are a far more effective source, but flaxseed oil is an alternative if you are vegan.   So, you will see that I have BOTH omega-3 and flaxseed oil in my pre-pack, but for different reasons :)


I have developed my pre-pack as a whole, so it's hard to say which is the more important - they all are.   I have made many tests over many months, I have tried many pre-pack versions, and at the end, this one was satisfying.   I even have considered the cost/effectiveness ratio of it, so I have eliminated more expansive supplements like Moducare, which was otherwise part a an equally effective previous version of my pre-pack  ( I had already in mind the project of sharing my pre-pack composition on the forum in order to help other members, so i wanted it to be more accessible, cost-wise).

Let me know about your progress with NE symptoms management, Michael !



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« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2017, 08:32:54 PM »
Thanks Quantum. It is indeed "huge progress". Never thought I'd see the day. Quality of like increasing overnight literally by 70%. I attribute the remaining 30% to NE's and the fact that release is still programmed which may become an issue in a relationship. But even POIS symptoms themselves have dramatically shifted to manageable with the introduction of mindfulness/presence. Send my regards over there in Canada to Eckhart Tolle if you run into him at Starbucks. :)

I can't remember if I took the entire prepack or just the B3 and probably B1, B6, B12 with it after my last NE. Think I tried the whole prepack the first time and it did prolonged POIS and made anxiety worse, and the next NE just the B3 which prolonged it and worsened anxiety. Basically, enough the scare me out trying it again.

I am still VERY curious about what was recently brought up again in a different post regarding having another release after a NE using the prepack. You mentioned at least one person had success with this. I would LOVE to try this but now is not an ideal time to play around with things. May consider trying it if NE's become a bigger issue. I do like your previous words on avoiding looking at all the beauties and avoiding movies, etc... no doubt this makes us more prone to NEs.

I get totally lost in all the medical terminology which you guys discuss regarding the causes - this may need to change if I am to treat it better and contribute more.

Thanks for the clarifying claritin. May give that 12 hour a try then. I am curious why you don't try it and a few other suggestions such as a release after NE with your prepack? Guessing the same reason as all of us - you are scared shitless of pois to the power of 2. :) Wish we had more data from other users here. Any way to reach out to folks? Get some phone numbers, call and discuss for 2 minutes a set group of questions? Anonymously of course. Or by email or whatever. Which leads in to my next question, how the hell do you explain POIS to your family? Assuming most/all don't just tell it how it is. There is no need to explain/label it as such, but when you're in the midst of a cycle and you are clearly 'off key', family senses something wrong. My grandmother assumed I didn't sleep well last night when she saw me this morning. I just said I don't feel great. I don't mention POIS, but I don't like to lie. I was thinking this morning to create some excuse, 'I get neuroinflammation from time to time, triggered by random events, etc. Being from a very inquisitive family doesn't make excuses easy... Any ideas? What do you do?

Yes I read your other on why you use flaxseed, but had written my post before reading it. Thanks for clarifying.

As always, thanks for your incredibly valuable and helpful responses. Apologies for the lengthy posts.

Hi Michael,

First, it's great to see the huge progress you have made in the last months.  You now have an effective pre-pack to control the symptoms of any "waking state" release, when you take it before. That's a great, great improvement !

Next step is NE management, of course.  I agree, they are unpredictable, and can happen a few days after a waking state release, or before the usual delay.   I have that too, but happily, it happens far less often as I age ( I am 52).

Did you try taking the exact same pre-pack you take before a planned release, as soon as you are aware that you had a NE ?   If so, what were the results ?   From what you have written, I guess that the B-complex part of your pre-pack version does not work very well as a "post-NE pack".  In that regard, I think getting some quercetin, curcumin and flaxseed is something worth trying.  I use them, and they are also useful post-NE, even if best when taken as a pre-pack.   Also, they are all safe supplements, and all three are largely recognized as healthy substances.

Whenever I have "leftover POIS symptoms", be it from a NE or else, I have to take some supplements every 4 to 6 hours, to control those symptoms.  I usually cycle between supplements from one supplement dose to another, for better results.  This imply I use some interesting supplements that are not in my pre-pack.  I stopped stacking things in my pre-pack when it got to a point of reliable efficiency.  but that does not mean that supplements like vitamin C, ginkgo, Moducare, taurine, pine bark extract, berry extracts, and so on, are not helping against my POIS, and I often use them and similar ones against remaining symptoms.   

I think you would be afraid of how many supplements I have here in stock...lol .   Many POIS sufferers tried so many supplements, alone or in combination, that we often end with a full cupboard.  I even have a box in the basement with those that I did not tolerate well, along with a note of what happened when I tried them ( we never have too much information, so I collect alI the info I can).   However, I have around 30 supplements I use, that I know have positive effects for me, be it for my POIS, for sport, or other reason like when I have a cold or else.  My current trend is to eat more veggies and fruits through my green smoothies, and take less supplements, but my anti-POIS pre-pack is still essential and cannot be skipped.


Claritin D 24hours is not available in Canada neither.  But, it is over the counter and easy to mimic. If someone takes on regular Claritin 24hours, along with a 60mg tablets of pseudoephedrine, at the same time, and then 12 hours after, results are equivalent.   There are many brands of plain, 12 hours pseudoephedrine, like Sudafed, ask the pharmacist to show one to you if interested in trying it, and make sure that the formulation has no other ingredients in the formula ( and, of course, check with the pharmacist if this is suitable and safe for you).


About fish oils and flaxseed, I must underline that I do not take the flaxseeds for their omega-3 content, but for the lignans in it, which are good antioxidants, and NMDA receptors blockers, so good against excitotoxicity and anxiety.  For omega-3 ,  fish oils are a far more effective source, but flaxseed oil is an alternative if you are vegan.   So, you will see that I have BOTH omega-3 and flaxseed oil in my pre-pack, but for different reasons :)


I have developed my pre-pack as a whole, so it's hard to say which is the more important - they all are.   I have made many tests over many months, I have tried many pre-pack versions, and at the end, this one was satisfying.   I even have considered the cost/effectiveness ratio of it, so I have eliminated more expansive supplements like Moducare, which was otherwise part a an equally effective previous version of my pre-pack  ( I had already in mind the project of sharing my pre-pack composition on the forum in order to help other members, so i wanted it to be more accessible, cost-wise).

Let me know about your progress with NE symptoms management, Michael !






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Re: Did I miss 'the' thread on NE's - is that why nobody replies?
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2017, 10:21:13 PM »
P.S am compelled to document that this is usually my killer day of POIS, the 2nd (and usually last) day of POIS cycle.

This appears to be the first time I have felt far less (almost non-existent) anxiety in a normal POIS cycle. Can't say how tomorrow will be, usually by the 3rd day it's back down to earth without much sign of POIS.

Attributing it to the Quercetain, Peppered Curcumin, Flaxseed Oil, 2 Nurofen tablets and a few extra Fish Oil tablets to fight off the neuroinflammation or symptoms.

There is hope... :)

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Re: Did I miss 'the' thread on NE's - is that why nobody replies?
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2017, 09:43:15 AM »
P.S am compelled to document that this is usually my killer day of POIS, the 2nd (and usually last) day of POIS cycle.

This appears to be the first time I have felt far less (almost non-existent) anxiety in a normal POIS cycle. Can't say how tomorrow will be, usually by the 3rd day it's back down to earth without much sign of POIS.

Attributing it to the Quercetain, Peppered Curcumin, Flaxseed Oil, 2 Nurofen tablets and a few extra Fish Oil tablets to fight off the neuroinflammation or symptoms.

There is hope... :)

That's good news, Michael !   

All these products are worthy members of my own anti-POIS arsenal.  Taking one alone do not show significative change, but stacked together, they make a big difference.

It is very interesting that you can repeat the same good results that I have, and that some other members have, with this kind of combination of products.   This prove that there is more in this pack than just placebo effect.  That's obvious in my own case that it is not just placebo effect, because of over 2 years of reliable effectiveness, but seeing this effectiveness for other members is further proof that these substances, used together, can be effective against POIS, and not just for myself.


About the disclosure or not about having POIS, I would say it is better to stay in general terms, like you do, and not to go into specifics.  This is a rare disorder, not known by anyone, hard to understand, and, moreover, it is linked to your intimacy.   Opening up about this looks to me more like tons of problems and unwanted questions, and some may even question your sanity.  Furthermore, if "Doctors" say you have nothing and all exams are good, I let you guess what happens next.....because poeple tend to think that doctors must know about anything about any illness that exists.   

Personally, I only disclosed this condition to my spouse, and my psychotherapist, and never talked about it to my family.   They may think that I am a kind of madman, a depressed, anxious, unstable man, because I didn't have anything to control my symptoms for years, and I often been in acute POIS phase, not being myself at all, for years.   Later, my employers thought that I was unstable too, being highly efficient one day, and near useless the day after, but I have no regrets to have never talked about anything to them.   Anyway, it's only less than 3 years ago that I have found I am not alone in the world with this condition, and found that there was a name for it. 

So, I think you should go for structured answers, like you already do, about neuroinflammation in your body, that make you feel sick   ( which is the truth).   They do not have to know that this is triggered by ejaculation.  You can say don't know why al these symptoms happen, which again is quite true, considering that we know almost nothing about POIS, but that you have found some natural products that are helping you feeling better, and you will cope with that. You can even say that your doctor didn't find anything, but you think it seems to be a mysterious condition like fibromyalgia or else, that doctors don't know yet about and don't know how to diagnose and treat.   

I hope this will help you in your reflection.
 
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