The Real Cure that worked for me anyway

[happy2]

I found the cure for POIS at the end of this last December.  I take Zyrtec every day and exactly 2 benadryls within 20 seconds IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING orgasm, note, not before, but AFTER orgasm.  This completely CURED ALL POIS symptoms for me.  That's the exact remedy.  I have suffered from extreme POIS symptoms for 20 years; with the brain fog for 3-4 days, and extreme fatigue on days 4 and 5.  I saw a urologist and he said to get on an anti-histamine and "google the heck out of this thing", which I did.  I also went back to him and told him I found the cure, and he said the benadryls will just "dry you out" and not harm the liver.   Thanks, I hope this helps somebody.

[vik1379]

What type of Benadryl do you use?

[COLM_2]

I found the cure for POIS at the end of this last December.  I take Zyrtec every day and exactly 2 benadryls within 20 seconds IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING orgasm, note, not before, but AFTER orgasm.  This completely CURED ALL POIS symptoms for me.  That's the exact remedy.  I have suffered from extreme POIS symptoms for 20 years; with the brain fog for 3-4 days, and extreme fatigue on days 4 and 5.  I saw a urologist and he said to get on an anti-histamine and "google the heck out of this thing", which I did.  I also went back to him and told him I found the cure, and he said the benadryls will just "dry you out" and not harm the liver.   Thanks, I hope this helps somebody.

Hello Happy2,

Great news that you have had such excellent results with the treatment as described.

Just to re position slightly in that (as you do say in your post) you have found the cure for YOUR Pois. I know that others have described where anti histamines have not cured their pois. In fact, personally I use Quercetin, a food supplement and anti-histamine which positively helps with sinus issues, post pois, as my system will not tolerate drug based anti histamines.

Perhaps I am doing something wrong in that regard, but maybe others who have positive experiences of Benadryl and Zytec to cure their POIS may comment here, as it could be that this needs to be studied some more in a mini-research project if others find similar symptom control or cure for their pois.

Colm

[demografx]

Thanks, COLM, your perspective is important.

Benadryl has worked wonders for my sleep -- but it's done nothing for my POIS.

[staypositive]

Is there a reason why you only post about that cure now? Did it really work everytime?
And were you having an empty stomach when you were taking those?

[happy2]

Is there a reason why you only post about that cure now? Did it really work everytime?
And were you having an empty stomach when you were taking those?

Hi staypositive,
Yes, it did work every time.  I just posted now ON THIS site because I had been posting on the nakedscientists.com website.  A senior member there, certainlypois, told me to go to this site and post because he tried the Zyrtec and Benadryl treatment and said his results were "just too profound" for me not to post it here.  However, I did tell him that he did not do the treatment ENTIRELY correct.  He took two benadryls then orgasmed twice then took two more benadryls.  I told him he had to take two benadryls IMMEDIATELY AFTER EACH orgasm.  He said it completely knocked out his fatigue, but he still had the brain fog.  If I take even just one benadryl, then another one minute later, it also knocks out my fatigue, but I will STILL will get the brain fog.  Again I take Zyrtec every day and two benadryls IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING EACH orgasm.  Like I said, then no POIS.  I also I make sure to be well hydrated and drink a glass of water with the two benadryls.  Hope this helps somebody.

[happy2]

What type of Benadryl do you use?

vik1379,
I use regular benadryl from Walgreens in the U.S.  Ultra tabs.

[happy2]

I found the cure for POIS at the end of this last December.  I take Zyrtec every day and exactly 2 benadryls within 20 seconds IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING orgasm, note, not before, but AFTER orgasm.  This completely CURED ALL POIS symptoms for me.  That's the exact remedy.  I have suffered from extreme POIS symptoms for 20 years; with the brain fog for 3-4 days, and extreme fatigue on days 4 and 5.  I saw a urologist and he said to get on an anti-histamine and "google the heck out of this thing", which I did.  I also went back to him and told him I found the cure, and he said the benadryls will just "dry you out" and not harm the liver.   Thanks, I hope this helps somebody.

Hello Happy2,

Great news that you have had such excellent results with the treatment as described.

Just to re position slightly in that (as you do say in your post) you have found the cure for YOUR Pois. I know that others have described where anti histamines have not cured their pois. In fact, personally I use Quercetin, a food supplement and anti-histamine which positively helps with sinus issues, post pois, as my system will not tolerate drug based anti histamines.

Perhaps I am doing something wrong in that regard, but maybe others who have positive experiences of Benadryl and Zytec to cure their POIS may comment here, as it could be that this needs to be studied some more in a mini-research project if others find similar symptom control or cure for their pois.

Colm

Colm 2,
Interesting perspective.  I hope it helps somebody.  CertainlyPOIS a senior member on the nakedscientists.com said it completely knocked out his fatigue.  ALTHOUGH, I did tell him he did the Zyrtec/benadryl combo wrong.  It only works if I take Zyrtec every day, and two benadryls IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING EACH, and I repeat, EACH orgasm.  I don't know of anybody else who has tried it.

[demografx]

I found the cure for POIS at the end of this last December.  I take Zyrtec every day and exactly 2 benadryls within 20 seconds IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING orgasm, note, not before, but AFTER orgasm.  This completely CURED ALL POIS symptoms for me.  That's the exact remedy.  I have suffered from extreme POIS symptoms for 20 years; with the brain fog for 3-4 days, and extreme fatigue on days 4 and 5.  I saw a urologist and he said to get on an anti-histamine and "google the heck out of this thing", which I did.  I also went back to him and told him I found the cure, and he said the benadryls will just "dry you out" and not harm the liver.   Thanks, I hope this helps somebody.

I deleted the duplicate thread.

Did you re-install it?

That goes against Moderator rules.

Please re-delete or explain why not.

[demografx]

Demografix,
I reposted this here [elsewhere] as well as on the General treatment section, because I thought it would be useful and also apply to this thread.  If you want to delete this thread please feel free to do so.  I would not recommend that though.  It is not very often someone finds a CURE-ALL to POIS.  If you would still like to delete this post, that's fine.  Also, feel free to e-mail me if need be.

Sorry but your duplicate thread on this exact same topic has been deleted again, happy2.

There is no compelling reason for 2 duplicate threads about one hypothetical cure amongst hundreds "out there."
Thanks for understanding,
demografx

[Quantum]

What type of Benadryl do you use?

vik1379,
I use regular benadryl from Walgreens in the U.S.  Ultra tabs.

Hi Happy2, 

I have checked for the dosage of these tablets, and it looks they are 25mg per tablets, so you take a 50mg dose just after O.  Other tablets strength exist, like 50mg tablets, but taking 100mg in one dose would be too high and would cause way too much side effects, so I wanted to make it clear that the total dosage is 50mg in one dose.  For many, 50mg will cause drowsiness anyway  ( do you personnally have drowsiness after,if it is not taken at bedtime? ).

I am "happy too" that you have found a reliable relief method for your POIS, after 20 years of severe symptoms.  Well, I would not use the word "cure", because a cure is to get rid of an illness that won't come back, like getting rid of an infection.  Like I already have said lately in another "cure" thread, it is better to name this for what it is - a relief method.  Obviously, if you do not use your relief method ( that is, for you, taking your daily Zyrtec, and taing 50mg of diphenydramine ( Benadryl) right after O ) , your POIS will be back.  That is why I say the word "cure" is not the best word to use, to avoid any confusion.

What is very interesting in your relief method is that it tends to show that there is indeed an allergic reaction at work in POIS, that can at least explain a part of its mechanism.  It do not eliminate any neurological involvement, but I think it could show that the allergic/hypersensitivity reaction occurs prior the neurological effects, in the cascade of POIS unfolding events in the body metabolism, and by blocking the first, the second do not appear.  Just my hypothesis, here.

[Daveman]

Thanks Quantum, I should add a rule to the list about the word "CURE", especial "Real Cure".

"Cure" can only be proclaimed by medical personel after much controlled study. Not only is a "CURE" a cure, but it is somewhat guaranteed to be safe for everyone.

Thanks everyone.

[happy2]

What type of Benadryl do you use?

vik1379,
I use regular benadryl from Walgreens in the U.S.  Ultra tabs.

Hi Happy2, 

I have checked for the dosage of these tablets, and it looks they are 25mg per tablets, so you take a 50mg dose just after O.  Other tablets strength exist, like 50mg tablets, but taking 100mg in one dose would be too high and would cause way too much side effects, so I wanted to make it clear that the total dosage is 50mg in one dose.  For many, 50mg will cause drowsiness anyway  ( do you personnally have drowsiness after,if it is not taken at bedtime? ).

I am "happy too" that you have found a reliable relief method for your POIS, after 20 years of severe symptoms.  Well, I would not use the word "cure", because a cure is to get rid of an illness that won't come back, like getting rid of an infection.  Like I already have said lately in another "cure" thread, it is better to name this for what it is - a relief method.  Obviously, if you do not use your relief method ( that is, for you, taking your daily Zyrtec, and taing 50mg of diphenydramine ( Benadryl) right after O ) , your POIS will be back.  That is why I say the word "cure" is not the best word to use, to avoid any confusion.

What is very interesting in your relief method is that it tends to show that there is indeed an allergic reaction at work in POIS, that can at least explain a part of its mechanism.  It do not eliminate any neurological involvement, but I think it could show that the allergic/hypersensitivity reaction occurs prior the neurological effects, in the cascade of POIS unfolding events in the body metabolism, and by blocking the first, the second do not appear.  Just my hypothesis, here.

Hi Quantum,
The total dosage I take at any one given O is 50 mgs (2 pills).  It does make me drowsy, but not drowsy enough to not be able to carry out my daily plans and activities the following day.  However, I usually do 2 O's in any given night.  That way I can go 1, 2, 3 days or an entire week without having to do it again.  The most I HAVE done is 10 O's in 8 days, equal to 500 mgs of Benadryl.  I can take 100 mgs, equal to 4-25mg ultratabs of Benadryl and still be fine the next day to do whatever I want.  Any more than the 2 O's though, on any given day or night, the next day I will not get anything done, from tiredness. 
I agree with your analysis 100% that there is an allergic reaction at work here.  By blocking the first, the allergic reaction part, the neurological symptoms do not appear.  My doctor said it's usually a separation in the tubes in the testes when a reaction like this occurs, due to the semen picking up allergens and then them being released into the system.  I don't know how she knew that, because my other two doctors I saw did not know, and I know I read that somewhere online before.

[demografx]

happy2, I removed my prior post about Daveman's rules. I didn't read your OP carefully enough

Best wishes.

[erik]

Hello Happy2,
Very interesting to read your experiences with Benadryl.
I wonder if there is a link between the Benadryl and the alcohol (red wine) I use and what is for me the best way to deal with POIS untill now.
Because you tried it after ejaculation I also wondered if wine could do the same, so I tried, 2  times untill now the last weeks. I took about 0,5 ltr. of the wine (13,5%) not before, but just after ejaculation till about 1,5 hour after ejaculation. I also drink min. 0,5 ltr. of water in this period. I had both times no POIS symptoms, also no symptoms hit in during the day, which in the past with taking the wine before  Ejaculation did happen, though the amount I took then of the wine was also lower than now.
My only symptoms were drowsiness and perhaps also cognitive, namely slow thinking, but I attribute this tot he alcohol, cause they are totally different and mild compared to my POIS symptoms.
I also take almost everyday an anti oxidant variable like Nad+,Quercetine,alpha lipoic or NAC, but for me what really helped is to maintain a healthy lifestyle because I think this lifestyle (glutenfree, organic, minimal sugar,excercise etc.) brought my POIS symptoms-days back from 4 to 1 in the last 15 years.
And wine now helps me in a way to switch off this last 1 day, though I?m still searching for a better solution. But I doubt if Benadryl is a more healthy solution?  But interesting is that Benadyl has perhaps the same mechanism as alcolhol /wine ? (sedation,serotin,ethanol) , though wine has a lot of histamine in it.
I don?t wanna recommend anyone to use alcohol or wine, I just wanna share my experiences, and hopefully it can contribute to a more better way to deal with POIS.

[COLM_2]

Erik,

Worth reflecting on the possibilities that any benefits you are getting post pois from red wine are not from the alcohol content, so much as from the Polyphenols, anti-oxident and Reservatrol elements.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/422207-wines-with-high-levels-of-polyphenols/

Suggest everything in moderation of course

Colm

[erik]

Hi Colm,
I think all the things you mention can be also beneficial ,
I tried them all, but did not find any significant relief, but perhaps in combination with alcohol, I mean in wine,  they work better ?
But in my case I can?t figure out anything else but the alcohol (ethanol) is what makes the difference.  Also because in the past I had experieces with beer and stronger liquor which also gave relief.
In someway or another the alcohol blocks the outbreak of POIS or stimulates something which outcompete the pois-outbreak.

[poison]

Worth another thread of its own?

I also feel relief from alcohol, for me I guess it's the relaxing and sedative effect. Its like everything loosens up and I'm actually able to focus more. I feel more present. People say oh, don't drink alcohol, its an escape mechanism, a coping mechanism, its not the way to solve or deal with issues, its a depresssant, it will make your depresssion worse. But for me I have had countless social and situational experiences which just would not have occurred without some degree of alcohol intoxication. And for those experiences I am grateful, I value those experiences.

Regarding the POIS aspect, am I hammering my senses to a degree that I can't feel the POIS symptoms any more? Maybe... But I definitely feel more present, more aware and free of brain fog, stiffness, jaw pain, leg pain, itchy eyes, sneezing, social phobia, generalised anxiety and all those other terrible symptoms.

On topic, for the daily (nightly) zyrtec I did feel it helped my sleep. However I do still get allergy symptoms during the day, I guess maybe 1 zyrtec is not enough for me. The directions say one a day, I don't know if there are any side effects of taking a higher dose.

My general symptoms did not reduce enough for me to O. I am very weary of that, as things seem so life and death, black and white after O for me. The pain and dread and stiffness is terrifying. Once I find a solution that really reduces my general POIS symptoms, I would be more confident to try O.

So.. happy to try zyrtec again, maybe with daily benadryl? Never tried benadryl. At the moment I'm trying some different TCM patent formulas, its early days but I'm getting some relief from the fibromyalgia-like pain especially the leg pain. I'm 32 years old! I feel like 82!


Good luck everyone