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Re: I believe I found a way to relieve my symptoms ! 99% Sure it works
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2016, 07:21:14 PM »
@Quantum

I didn't check the site given by another member. That list I mentioned was totally unrelated to my previous trial of DAO. After shipping, on the site you mentioned, it's still over $40 per bottle, and well over $60 at other sites. I still highly recommended AGAINST anyone trying it, but if they do, then let us know your own results. It had absolutely ZERO effect when I took it. For me, DAO was DOA. Save your $$.

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« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2016, 10:53:16 PM »
Dude. I want to get banned now. lol. It's all good I'll just delete everything. Hope you guys find what you're looking for. Oh by the way I get my shit at the vitamin shoppe and amazon.com. Ooops.
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« Last Edit: May 13, 2016, 09:07:49 AM by Quantum »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2016, 12:36:42 AM »
I'm editing this post to make these points clear. I am being misunderstood at times, so I'll clarify the following.

-I am not, and never have, been advocating for Gluton2016's removal. (Going Gluton-free)
-I never called Gluton2016's cure quackery (it is definitely not).
-I have taken the very same thing (DAO) in 2009 that he claims has cured him and had no positive results (wasn't helped).
-However, my null result 7 years ago does not mean that someone shouldn't follow his route and give it a try for themselves!
-The supplement he recommends is also quite expensive for most people, however. So try it at your own expense. (Around $50 per bottle)
-Based on Gluton's initial post, people should be very mindful of the websites he shares with us. (Make sure nothing is being offered for sale on the sites).
-Repeating point #1 another time, I am not, and never have, been advocating for Gluton2016's removal. If he wants to share his own cure, that's fine! It's obviously none of my business, and it's reality-based.

Okay, finished. Just so I'm comprehended correctly and everything is clear and understood.
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Re: I believe I found a way to relieve my symptoms ! 99% Sure it works
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2016, 11:18:01 AM »
Prancer, do you think anyone is better off after reading your snark remarks. There are pages of them now. I'm not a mod here but I'd say this behavior divides our forum, and that if you have something to say, say it but be respectful. We all need to be mature to promote a constructive environment to reach our common goal (even if our curres are uncommon).
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« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2016, 09:19:37 PM »
Prancer, do you think anyone is better off after reading your snark remarks. There are pages of them now. I'm not a mod here but I'd say this behavior divides our forum, and that if you have something to say, say it but be respectful. We all need to be mature to promote a constructive environment to reach our common goal (even if our curres are uncommon).

Ah, if you knew the same information that I know about people like Gluton, and if you experienced the same kind of absolute nonsense, deception and misleading behavior that I've seen, you would be snarky too. The snark is an absolute result of the constant deception by certain members. There is nothing mature about posting references to a commercial scam website. That's like someone referencing Harry Potter or the like in a serious paper or discussion. There is nothing mature about actually taking something as silly as "hair analysis" seriously. Intelligent readers of the forum will be turned off in a major way. It's not a matter of  "opinion" when people post such craziness. There must be a minimum standard of behavior.

If we just "take it" and let it go without any challenge or scoff, then that's the real way the forum will go downhill. Maybe one day I'll share all of the behind the scenes information that I have about various members, such as at the NSF's POIS topic, so that people can see just how bad things are when there is purposeful deception going on. Our "curres" are not uncommon. When someone posts absolute nonsense, that's not exactly a cure.

PS: Hello Limejuice, since I believe this is my very first time mentioning or seeing you.
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Re: I believe I found a way to relieve my symptoms ! 99% Sure it works
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2016, 09:48:37 PM »
Dude. I want to get banned now. lol. It's all good I'll just delete everything. Hope you guys find what you're looking for. Oh by the way I get my shit at the vitamin shoppe and amazon.com. Ooops.

We won't be missing anything. Your list was basically as follows:

Supplement: meh
Supplement: meh
Supplement: meh
Supplement: meh
Supplement: meh, worked a bit, gave me hiccups, had to stop
Supplement: meh, worked for 4.5 seconds then stopped
DAO: Yay!! 90%!!


Well, as I've said, in my experience with it, it worked exactly 0%. Good luck if someone else tries it. Keep the receipt.

Where is Gluton's pacifier? I think Kima left his laying around here somewhere before he left...you can borrow it for now.

I'm at the point to make a prediction: over-the-counter supplements aren't going to cure POIS.

Dude. I want to get banned now. lol. It's all good I'll just delete everything. Hope you guys find what you're looking for. Oh by the way I get my shit at the vitamin shoppe and amazon.com. Ooops.

We won't be missing anything. Your list was basically as follows:

Prancer,

Up to now, there is no official treatment for POIS, and there is no single treatment that works for every POIS sufferers, even not niacin, or anything else.  There is obviously more than one sub-type of POIS.  Is it possible that something that didn't do anything for yourself can be the one and only thing that works for another?

We share the results of our empirical tests, on ourself.  If something works for us, it may be useful to other POIS sufferers, and even to researchers, to know about it. 

If a member has not solid scientific proof to back up the reason why a specific product helps, but share is own results about what helps him and is safe, it is ok to share it on this forum. Funding a research study is one thing, trying to find some relief before medical science comes up with anything significant is another important role of this forum. It is there to gather as much useful information as possible to help people cope with POIS, find some relief, and share their hypothesis about what can be the causes of POIS.   If someone find some relief with a specific supplement, I encourage him to share his results here, even if there is no scientific article to back it up.  When people came up with garlic, fenugreek or niacin, there was not much scientific evidence to back this up. But if it can be of help, and is safe, it is valuable to share it here.  Not everybody has to agree, but as long as there is no commercial solicitation or dishonest claims, or anything similar, members have to feel it is ok to share their personal results here.

Up to now, Gluton seems to be honestly sharing what has been working for him, and has clearly stated that he has not passed the 3-weeks marker for now. He may have given as a reference a site that is not a scientific and credible site, but I do not think it was the main part of what he wanted to express.  He clearly wanted to share that  Diamin Oxydase ( DAO)  gave him relief for his POIS symptoms, and he sure hopes that this will keep on working for him.  I hope he will continue to share about his results, and for now, I do not agree with your opinion, Prancer, that DAO is a scam and is an "absolute non-sense", as you say.  DAO is implicated in the inactivation of histamine, and that can be of help if POIS is caused at least in part by an allergic/hypersensitivity reaction. 

You do not have to agree with Gluton, Prancer, and you may think that it lacks scientific evidence, but like the first forum rule Daveman has set for this forum says, be nice, and be supportive, and do your best to respect differing points of view.  The reference to the pacifier is neither nice nor supportive, as well as the general tone of your posts to Gluton.
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Re: I believe I found a way to relieve my symptoms ! 99% Sure it works
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2016, 01:58:45 AM »
It's clear to me that this trail has has gone outside the rules of this forum which is disappointing to see. I hope users can let go of their rigid opinions in terms of what they believe is credible. It's pointless arguing. Why waste time telling people what doesn't work (for everyone). How can you possibly know that.
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Re: I believe I found a way to relieve my symptoms ! 99% Sure it works
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2016, 02:42:33 AM »
How can you possibly know that.

For certain very fringe ideas, logic and high school or elementary school science. For everything else, we don't know, and discussion is encouraged.

Nothing about this topic involves anyone telling the OP that his ideas are fringe though FYI. They're not. The meat of the post has no issues. Everyone thinks this is the core of the "argument", when in fact it's not.

The controversy is where he was essentially called "a baby", indirectly. This part has been edited/removed.
(I've been called that many times by comrades when I wouldn't do things, such as not swim in the ocean. Never did I get so damn offended. Irony, gotta love it.)
Another contro was the site references, and that has been explained in detail many times.

http://youtu.be/bPf96192PRM?t=1m13s   <--this
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Re: I believe I found a way to relieve my symptoms ! 99% Sure it works
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2016, 05:31:31 AM »
It's complicated. At one point, there was a run on Nutmeg as an aid.

Seems innocent, its a spice. But the "remedy" required taking, like a teaspoon full. Surprisingly, taken in quantities it can actually be dangerous. Then of course there are certain things that can have life threatening effects if you have an unknown allergy. I think one member had a terrible experience with niacin... skin blisters and everything.

Sometimes, something taken in "just the right dose" with a very specific protocol, like niacin, works perfectly, but if the dose or protocol change, not only might it not work, but could cause problems.

Perople here are desperate, they'll try anything annd often times tend to exagerate the doses thinking that more is better.

It took me quite a while to stumble on just the right procedure with niacin for me. I know that not all require the same procedure, and of course, as we know, it doesn't even work for many.

We have the 2 week rule because in general most "fantastic cures" only work for a short period, and find that what they thought was a cure was actually a combination of circumstances which had little to do with the remedy.

Also the body tends to compensate. If something is wrong at a lower level, you may take something that releives you, but the body adjusts to "make you feel bad again", especially with things that tend to adjust neurotransmitters and hormones.

Anyways, what I hope we can do is remember that there are deperate people here who will do anything, usually in excess, and the mere suggestion that something works should always be done with all the caviats possible. Even so, the desperate don't usually listen.

The casualities have been low til now. Let's work at keeping it that way. ;)

Thanks
« Last Edit: May 13, 2016, 09:13:25 AM by Quantum »
WITHOUT RESEARCH THERE WILL BE NO CURE!
Sessions 5 to 9 days, mostly Flu-like, joints, digestion problems, light cognitive.
Niacin has changed my lif though, now 1 day MAX.
Somewhere in this interaction with Niacin is the answer!

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« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2016, 06:43:19 AM »
Completely agree! Thanks for chiming in Daveman. You're the voice of reason in what has become a thread of complete chaos and disorganization. I'm done with this thread, speaking for myself, way too much disorder.
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Re: I believe I found a way to relieve my symptoms ! 99% Sure it works
« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2016, 09:33:57 AM »
To Gluton and everyone,

This morning I have changed the title thread from:

" I believe I found a cure ! 99% Sure it works"

to

" I believe I found a way to relieve my symptoms ! 99% Sure it works".


( You will then see my name at the bottom of every post, like " « : Today at 10:13:25 Quantum » , showing I have edited the post, but note I only have changed the title, and did not have changed anything in the posts themselves)

In order to avoid unnecessary discussions about what someone claims or not, the word "cure" is better be avoided.  Strictly speaking, a cure will get rid of an illness, definitively.  If a supplements bring you relief, and has to be taken daily or on a as needed basis, this is relief, or control, but not a cure.

However, I ask members to be open to new ideas and let space for newcomers to express themselves, even if some terms or references do not seems to be used in a fully appropriate way right form the start.  It is valuable information to hear about possible relief methods for POIS symptoms, as there are absolutely nothing that standard medical science is offering POIS sufferers, up to now.  It is up to each member to consult their health practitioner and decide if one particular supplement or method is safe and worthy of being tried for themselves.

Thanks for you understanding.




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Re: I believe I found a way to relieve my symptoms ! 99% Sure it works
« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2016, 01:19:25 PM »
Don't forget the placebo effect hence the 2 weeks rule ( I thought it was 3).
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« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2016, 05:03:54 PM »
Don't forget the placebo effect hence the 2 weeks rule ( I thought it was 3).
FB
It's 3.
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business