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b_jim

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Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
« Reply #150 on: April 06, 2018, 09:22:52 AM »
Indeed, few people have real gluten allergy (celliac disease) but most of us have small allergic reaction with gluten, called gluten sensivity.
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Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
« Reply #151 on: April 17, 2018, 04:04:47 PM »
Hey there!

A long time ago I started to think that diet really affected my POIS. I shared this with one friend, and she told me to try a diet (not scientific, so I wasn't sure at all) for curing some diseases with foods, by cleaning your body. So two months ago I started a trophological diet, which is based on eating only fruits and vegetables, some grains, juices...
The truth is that it made me worsen a lot, and gave me a lot of belly pains, diarrhea, ... I had never been so bad. (Here I tell a bit my story: http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2654.msg23306)

So one month ago I left it and started the AIP diet combining it with the one proposed by GLC in the first post (by the way, thank you very much Going Less Crazy!).
I have not taken dairy products, cereals, legumes,... And all I can say is that regarding POIS I have found myself much better.
I continued to have stomach problems, but it has gone to less, and I am quite sure that it is my body that it's recovering from the other terrible month.

Also, this Sunday and Monday my stomach wasn't fine and I thought about trying to take rice to see if it would improve... And even though it has improved, after (and event before) having an O I have had POIS again as I had before doing all this month with AIP.

My next thing is now I'm going to see a digestive doctor, and they told me I may have done a colonoscopy so we can check I don't have anything else.

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Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
« Reply #152 on: April 24, 2018, 12:06:52 PM »
Hey there!

A long time ago I started to think that diet really affected my POIS. I shared this with one friend, and she told me to try a diet (not scientific, so I wasn't sure at all) for curing some diseases with foods, by cleaning your body. So two months ago I started a trophological diet, which is based on eating only fruits and vegetables, some grains, juices...
The truth is that it made me worsen a lot, and gave me a lot of belly pains, diarrhea, ... I had never been so bad. (Here I tell a bit my story: http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2654.msg23306)

So one month ago I left it and started the AIP diet combining it with the one proposed by GLC in the first post (by the way, thank you very much Going Less Crazy!).
I have not taken dairy products, cereals, legumes,... And all I can say is that regarding POIS I have found myself much better.
I continued to have stomach problems, but it has gone to less, and I am quite sure that it is my body that it's recovering from the other terrible month.

Also, this Sunday and Monday my stomach wasn't fine and I thought about trying to take rice to see if it would improve... And even though it has improved, after (and event before) having an O I have had POIS again as I had before doing all this month with AIP.

My next thing is now I'm going to see a digestive doctor, and they told me I may have done a colonoscopy so we can check I don't have anything else.

That's very good.  I've actually improved to the point where I have been eating Mexican food a lot lately, like 2x week, (gluten free) containing a lot of yellow rice and corn chips safely and without pois if I "O" that day.  I feel gluten and dairy are the main culprits so far (certain nightshades as well for me).

Abdominal pain is a symptom I've never had until adjusting my diet.  I believe it is some sign you are "healing" to a point where you will actually feel the affects of food you are sensitive/intolerant to.  I've had abdominal pain from vitamins/herbs/supplements where the smallest amount taken and I can really notice it.  This is also likely because these markets, especially herbs, are not regulated and could have some gluten or who knows what in the ingredients.

It is extremely good that you are getting a colonoscopy and it is something I've really wanted to get done.  Let us know the results because for all we know many of us could have similar problems.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2018, 12:34:34 PM by Going less Crazy »
My POIS 100% managed with modified Paleo Diet (@ diet that 100% manages my pois)Believe my POIS stems from inflammation in the gut. O and stimulation = neuro POIS from inflammation from the gut. Can O freely. Current supplements: tolerase g at times.

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Quick update

I took up the GLC diet, however I quickly realized I was reacting to beans and foods in the legume family (Return of POIS and abdominal pain). Since then I've reverted back to a Keto AIP Lectin free diet and POIS has vanished once again.

0 fatigue
10x better focus
no social phobia
no pois
no joint pain
perfect regulation of mood
bags of energy
7kg weight loss in 2 months

I feel like I've got my life back in some way. Its clear to me, some people react to certain lectins whilst others are intolerant to others.The lectins in grains however cause me the most problem, I can get POIS symptoms from just eating a sandwich. I think my version of POIS really does stem from inflammatory foods, I didn't notice until I took gluten and all other grains/lectins out of my diet and then reintroduced them and had terrible brain fog and joint pain.

I think taking Omeprazol(Anti acid) for years followed by chronic gastritis, stress, a diet full of grains and antibiotics all contributed to my intestinal permeability(Leaky gut) . This permeability allowed for undigested lectins through my gut and into my blood stream with the help of Lipopolysaccharides. Once in my blood, these lectins cause severe inflammation, which is responsible for my joint pain and fatigue, but more importantly Lipopolysaccharides molecules also cause my body to attack my own thyroid gland and autoimmunity occurs through molecular mimicry. Contemporary evidence also shows that the blood brain barrier is highly permeable by default, so the inflammation caused by these lectins travel through the brain barrier and causes brain inflammation, which is the cause of my brain fog and depressed mood.

So the question I ask myself is, why are my reactions to food intolerance much more severe after ejaculation?.  I want to say that I don't have a medical background and the bulk of what I think comes from months of research and my personal experience.

My theory goes as follows

90% of Seretonin is created in the gut and after ejaculation the brain is flooded with serotonin.
Once ejaculation occurs the body needs to create much more serotonin in order to cope with this demand and will pass directly from the gut to the brain, in the process of this transfer, many more lectins are also let through the gut barrier which causes a worsening of symptoms.

Healing the gut will take time, a high dose of vitamin D, regular exercise ,major lectin free diet and multivitamins are what im currently on. A gluten free diet is not enough as all other grains have variants of gluten which cause inflammation. Gluten free products are usually filled with rye,barely and a number of other substitutes, which may initially help with your symptoms as they dont contain gluten found in wheat which is highly disruptive, however over time symptoms will return due to ingestion of barley, rye and oats.

As suggested by GLC, eliminate all grains and I would say eliminate legumes and nuts for a 3-4 days strictly. Then O and see if you have POIS, it could be the case that this type of POIS is exclusive to me and a few others but I guess you have nothing to loose by having a go. I believe that your reaction to particular lectins is determined by a combination of genes and gut microbiome

Others have discussed similar

http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=299.msg14252#msg14252

https://www.reddit.com/r/POIS/comments/35rh8o/kurtosis_explains_to_the_best_of_his_knowledge/

http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2608.msg22670#msg22670


Once again, im not experience in any medical field and these are just my collective thoughts for the past year and my personal experience.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2018, 03:12:40 PM by bletzer »

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I also have this scenario in mind:
Dysbiose--->LPS--->Toll-like receptor activation--->activation of mast cells.
Bacterial, Viral or fungal products can all act on the same toll-like receptor type. Even if you suspect one of those 3, blocking certain toll-like receptor types (by TLR antagonists) might be an idea. Lectins are TLR agonists in general especially wheat lectins. If the gut is already disrupted at a certain location via TLR activation (by bacterial, fungal or viral) then lectins might exacerbate this situation.

I already avoid some of these lectin rich foods naturally and it might be worth a try to follow a strict lectin avoidance diet in the near future. The intensity of my POIS symptoms did build up gradually over the years and I wonder why that is. Is there some substance that has been depleted slowly over the years or is it the progression of a disruptive proces of the gut, like a dybiose spreading out. Serotonin might be lower in POIS patients because serotonin producing cells are perhaps being decreased by SIBO/SIFO. I'm also interested in testing for Lipopolysaccharide binding protein.

Perhaps POIS stems from a breach of the gut and we all share the same location but maybe the mechanism of disruption is different, even if there is SIBO one patient can have a different shift in microbiome than others and thus reacting positive to different medicine.

Carbohydrates in general may also exacerbate proliferation of bad Microorganisms. Nuts and seeds are out of the question for me as well as whole grains (most grains that is), makes me wonder if fiber play a role here. Fiber and carbs are main food sources for bacteria. But then again an other theory might be that I'm avoiding mast cell triggers and that these cells are just instable. I don't know, all speculation.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2018, 10:43:17 AM by Muon »

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bletzer, Good post.
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I am hapy to make you resarsh in hard mode ;D
lets fight this fuxxing ilnes hard.

https://www.selfhacked.com/blog/assigning-inflammation-scores-foods/#7_Most_Inflammatory

I am real madrid fun , but that game should go in extra time( no penality) 8)
« Last Edit: May 03, 2018, 03:18:16 PM by Hopeoneday »
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Are you eating Goya brand black beans Bletzer?  I've reacted to other brands of beans.  But cooking and rinsing beans drastically reduce their lectin content and that is most likely why I can tolerate them.

And it is possible that once the gut heals enough, certain lectins will not be as problematic, and not pass through the gut barrier undigested and trigger inflammation.  As I said before, I am eating more yellow corn chips and rice, perhaps too much, but I am yet to really react to them, and that has me excited.  I like to have some hope of getting closer to a more normal diet.

The theory on POIS is like mine.  Inflammation in the gut is spread out by orgasm, and also the inflammatory assault on the neurotransmitters made in our gut would not help either.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2018, 06:32:27 PM by Going less Crazy »
My POIS 100% managed with modified Paleo Diet (@ diet that 100% manages my pois)Believe my POIS stems from inflammation in the gut. O and stimulation = neuro POIS from inflammation from the gut. Can O freely. Current supplements: tolerase g at times.

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GLC, i agree , if we hawe gut problems, anything else in body wil not work properly!
Delayed food sensitiwity is wery hard to notice!
Since i was a kid, i remeber that i allways be bloated a litle, i didnt pay atention to that. My diet was, chokolade , snaks, candy, chips, dry chease brad sendwichies with cethup and mayonese, icekream, cakes all kindes , white brad, shugary yucies, soda yucies, this was my diet ewry day..., my intake of fat was mostly hidrogenazed herb oil, fried food, big amount of sugar, small amount of helty fats, list of bad food i did eat is endles... sevral times i try to change diets to help my self and eat helty food, but i newer giwe up from bad foods in that period of timees.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2018, 05:49:30 AM by Hopeoneday »
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Are you eating Goya brand black beans Bletzer?  I've reacted to other brands of beans.  But cooking and rinsing beans drastically reduce their lectin content and that is most likely why I can tolerate them.

And it is possible that once the gut heals enough, certain lectins will not be as problematic, and not pass through the gut barrier undigested and trigger inflammation.  As I said before, I am eating more yellow corn chips and rice, perhaps too much, but I am yet to really react to them, and that has me excited.  I like to have some hope of getting closer to a more normal diet.

The theory on POIS is like mine.  Inflammation in the gut is spread out by orgasm, and also the inflammatory assault on the neurotransmitters made in our gut would not help either.

Yes GLC,Soaking and pressure cooking foods will remove 95% of lectins and do not become problematic. The problem is im not a fan of beans at all.Given that I am intolerant to MOST grains including rice and especially wheat, it is beneficial for me to be grain free and in a state of ketosis as im not constantly craving food. This will also give my gut time to heal and the fact that im not ingesting carbs means that IF I do have a bacterial infection in my gut, then a carb free diet is used to starve the bacteria.

As for whether or not you will be able to tolerate foods after a being on an AIP diet for a while, I really am not sure. I think that food triggers will vary amongst us and that it is heavily dependent on you genetics. I personally believe that years and years of not eating to your cellular predisposition causes leaky gut which leads to autoimmunity. My cholinergic Urticaria is GONE and that was classified as an auto-immune condition, I think its the same reason why if we share the same diet of a parent which has an autoimmune condition it makes your likelihood to be diagnosed SKYROCKET.

More research needs to be done on the role of nutrition on autoimmunity but this abstract of a presentation will be published in the future  ( https://lectinfreemama.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/304-305.pdf ) . If you navigate to the second study you'll  see 95/102 patients with signs of autoimmunity reached resolution. The researcher himself has claimed to put at least 800 patients in remission with auto-immune conditions.

BAD FOOD---Leaky gut---Auto-immunity---POIS

Regards
Bletz



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You also minimize the amount of allergens with this diet. Everyone is talking about their gut (myself included) but I don't know, reactions are starting in my mouth the moment they make contact. I wonder if there is a non-IgE mediated allergy at play here. Also cooking food by boiling water doesn't help that much but baking them at high temperatures helps significantly. It's like you are destroying specific molecules here that are responsible for triggering symptoms.
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I'm on omeprazole for the next 15 days. I changed all my diet.
What increase my gastritis symptoms : fats(+++), meat, dairy products, white bread/pastry/junk food (+++)...
I don't feal no-gluten diet helps. But I tried to eat buckwheat + millet and oats to decrease acidity. Of course, lot of vegetables,  fish, fruit and nuts/almonds...

And now, what decrease my Pois : only low glycemic index food.
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Hey guys so I had an epiphany today after finding weird things in my stool.  I had been eating all pinto beans for the past two days. 

So yeah it looks like parasites in my intestines.  It makes sense because I just started eating a raw onion right now and symptoms have decreased a lot. 

Whenever I ate a sugary fruit, like apples, the symptoms definitely worsened (mainly brainfog and numbness of body in some areas which led to social anxiety).  Also I think carbohydrates like rice and potatoes (which I had been eating a lot of) feed the candida and parasites as well. 

I have had a slight distended abdomen which I have kept thinking is fat, but even with all the workouts I do (I am in decent athletic shape) it would not go away.   

I'm ordering an intestinal/parasitic cleaner supplement from amazon:
 https://www.amazon.com/IntestinePro-Intestine-Echinacea-Ingredients-Vegetarian/dp/B00TET0MS8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1509559616&sr=8-3&keywords=parasite+cleanse+for+humans&dpID=51%252BKB0qiAHL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch#customerReviews 

It makes logical sense in my mind because I've tried a lot of different nutritional supplements that haven't helped.
 
And yeah like Going Less Crazy advises, avoiding all the bad oils with Omega 6 is a great way to go because I'm sure the parasites love this toxic environment. 

Thanks Quantum, yes it is important to get a supplement with Omega 3 only.

Hi Dwight,

What results did you have with the anti-parasitic supplement ?  Any update?

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Enybody done food intolerance test lgG from blod?
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Just to add to the discussion of leaky gut, I believe I also suffer from this. I have a genetic abnormality for the DAO enzyme which means I process histamine in food more slowly, and histamine can cause gut permeability and inflammation. I also had a high sugar diet growing up and frequent binge eating episodes in my life due to depression.

I?ve found that a low carb, kerogenic diet is the best thing for my mood and energy, but it?s very limited in terms of foods.

I find that the supplement glycine seems to help my gut, its used in healing leaky gut as well as glutamine (which I don?t tolerate).

The hardest part of following AIP for me is the no chocolate rule! I would eat 100% cacao chocolate daily as part of my ketogenic plan but after some research I?ve found it?s probably making leaky gut worse (it contains various things that aren?t good for the gut). So carob it is!

Also I wanted to add that I?ve found good quality Curcumin supplements help immensely with food intolerances and inflammation in general. I always notice the difference when I run out of my curcumin supplements!

Edit: also wanted to add that from what I?ve learnt, carbs can affect mood by lowering serotonin levels over time. While they provide a serotonin boost initially via insulin, in the long term they can actually deplete serotonin levels. Nora Gedgaudas explains this well: https://youtu.be/E5sEAei_zMQ
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