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Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
« Reply #135 on: March 19, 2018, 10:25:47 AM »
Hi Bletzer, I have added you in the list of reference members in my POIS Types Chart, in the POIS Type responding to diet ( see at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2338.msg19448#msg19448 , in number 7 )

Thanks for sharing your results with the other members !
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Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
« Reply #136 on: March 19, 2018, 09:45:42 PM »
To anybody looking for the diet, just look at the first post!

That's great Bletzer!  I agree that the less carbs I eat the better I feel in general.  But congratulations on finding this diet helpful.

Obviously all the foods on my first post are subject to what brand you eat, etc.  So some vague foods that I may have listed you guys might want to do your own research on if it is safe or not, that may involve testing it.  All foods sold go into some type of "processing" that may involve chemicals, mixing with other foods, etc.  So testing is pretty critical.

The hardest carb I find to digest on the front page is white potatoes.  I'm usually good with GF mashed potatoes or GF French fries like from Chick-fil-A, but potato chips are not always easy for me (pain in the abdomen). Now this isn't always the case... Sometimes I can eat a bag of cape cod potato chips fine, but other times I will have pain.  I wonder if it has something to do with the rotation of oils used to make them (it will say "this oil, or that oil, or that oil" on the bag, so it is ,oil-wise, not a consistent product).  On the other hand, I've been trying some "natural" vitamin C made from a mixture of berries that has been causing some pain... So again I might be mistaking that pain to be caused by the chips...  It gets very frustrating at times.

I've also tried the enzyme that I ordered.  It actually came today.  So far what I can say is that it has no bad effects, no pain or other immediate side effects so that is good.  The real question is does it work on foods, particular troublesome grains that cause problems?  It is really too early to update this but I had a batch of those GF brownies I listed and sometimes I will get mouth ulcers from them (literally looks like a small bubble inside my mouth on the cheek/gums that goes away in 24 hours).  So I took them with the pill and so far no ulcers but that could change.  I also get the ulcers from eggs, and that is included in the recipe, and if this enzyme breaks those proteins down I am not sure.  But so far fingers crossed.  I'm not sure if I will ever use this enzyme on gluten, because obviously I avoid it at all costs...I might have celiac.  But I will try it on corn, rice, etc. in the future.  It would be nice to use when going out to eat (it's supposed to be very good for cross contamination as well).

Congrats and I will update later, also adding a food to the front page now.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2018, 09:50:28 PM by Going less Crazy »
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Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
« Reply #137 on: March 20, 2018, 02:21:36 AM »
I read your diet plan. Of course, most of them are very good to keep the body in a good general shape and are worth to be followed.

But which ones are really specific to Pois and give a real and clear effect ?
From my opinion and my experience, only carbs reduction.
And this point must be cleared and we need to find the absolute correlation bewteen sugar and Pois.

Even gluten. We know real coealic disease is about 1% (my tests are negative). But everybody is sensitive to gluten mostly without symptoms.
If a poiser says me that no gluten diet improves his Pois, I say "Ok, it's very nice and I'm proud of your progress. But, is it really gluten or the lower glycemic diet you follow ?"
Taurine = Anti-Pois

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Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
« Reply #138 on: March 20, 2018, 03:19:20 AM »
I read your diet plan. Of course, most of them are very good to keep the body in a good general shape and are worth to be followed.

But which ones are really specific to Pois and give a real and clear effect ?
From my opinion and my experience, only carbs reduction.
And this point must be cleared and we need to find the absolute correlation bewteen sugar and Pois.

Even gluten. We know real coealic disease is about 1% (my tests are negative). But everybody is sensitive to gluten mostly without symptoms.
If a poiser says me that no gluten diet improves his Pois, I say "Ok, it's very nice and I'm proud of your progress. But, is it really gluten or the lower glycemic diet you follow ?"

Although sugar has bad effects on health, it really has zero effects on my POIS.  I can eat a whole batch of GF brownies (tons of sugar), orgasm a couple times that same night, and have no POIS.

For a long time I realized my POIS has to do with food sensitivities/allergies, not blood glucose levels.  Again, eating loads of sugar will not help you feel good in anyway for anybody.  I avoid aspartame like the plague though.

If anyone remembers a long time ago I had a pois free month or two and always wondered how or why that happened.  I remembered I used to drink almond milk, as well as.being GF that helped.  So I again went completely gluten free and than dairy free again (sub with almond milk), and POIS was drastically reduced.  Further investigation revealed I had to avoid more grains and some additional sensitivities to get to 99-100%.  These literal bubbles I get in my mouth are a good indication for me if I have a problem with a food or not. 

The good news is I "seem" to be able to tolerate some foods better.  I have been eating Mexican food (hard corn tacos, yellow rice) without reaction from a restaurant and felt decent afterwards.  So, if this crazy sh*t is correct, my gut "may" be healing.

So bjim, I think the correlation with sugar is that it causes bodily inflammation in everybody, but, and take this with a grain of salt, if the intestinal lining is compromised (as believed like I had and possibly still have) and you add inflammatory sugars into the mix, you will probably feel this inflammation more than if your intestinal lining was in good shape and dealing with these sugars.

So for me, gluten and dairy were the biggest culprits followed by brown rice and corn... I literally get gut pain and feel absolutely like sh*t from these grains.  Dairy really just effected my mood and brain fog.  You never know if food is the problem until you try (like I have).  But from what I see I don't think this works for everyone with POIS as a symptom.

And bjim, did you have a celiac test while eating a normal diet (gluten included) ?
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Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
« Reply #139 on: March 20, 2018, 05:26:56 AM »
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And bjim, did you have a celiac test while eating a normal diet (gluten included) ?

Yes, I did. I could give you the results later but the 4 iG tested are normal.

The only point i could be agree is sugar gave me dihreas especially in pois, showing something happen in the intestine or maybe in pancreas (the way to the intestine).
I always speculate that a part of digestive system is busy "to regenerate"
something (semen, testosterone ? ... ) and then is not capable to make the digestion of sugar in normal condition.
For example, pancreas.

But, i prefer to keep strong arguments : we never had real data to prove the presence of inflammation in body in Pois.
My CRP in Pois is always normal.



« Last Edit: March 20, 2018, 05:30:41 AM by b_jim »
Taurine = Anti-Pois

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Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
« Reply #140 on: March 20, 2018, 05:38:20 AM »
I didn't look this point since some years but it seems there is a scientific argument :
https://www.health.harvard.edu/digestive-health/is-something-in-your-diet-causing-diarrhea

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Sugar. Sugars stimulate the gut to put out water and electrolytes, which loosen bowel movements. If you ingest a lot of sugar, you may develop diarrhea. One of the biggest offenders is fructose, which is found naturally in fruits (such as peaches, pears, cherries, and apples) or added to foods and drinks, such as applesauce, soda, and juice beverages. "Seventy-five percent of people who ingest more than 40 to 80 grams of fructose per day will get diarrhea," says gastroenterologist Dr. Norton Greenberger, a Harvard Medical School professor. Another offender: artificial sweeteners such as sorbitol, mannitol, and xylitol (found in sugar-free gum, candy, and medications).

Maybe the secret is here. Avoiding sugar or gluten to save electrolytes in competition.

In my case, fructose don"t increase the Pois and the diarreahas symptoms. So, the culprit must be glucose and Na+ electrolyte.

Other electrolyte : Ca++ (explaining muscle tremors in Pois ????)
                           Iron
                            Bicarbonate
                             k

Maybe we should test electrolytes before and after orgasm and follow a diet balancing them
« Last Edit: March 20, 2018, 06:01:22 AM by b_jim »
Taurine = Anti-Pois

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Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
« Reply #141 on: March 20, 2018, 10:13:23 AM »
I read your diet plan. Of course, most of them are very good to keep the body in a good general shape and are worth to be followed.

But which ones are really specific to Pois and give a real and clear effect ?
From my opinion and my experience, only carbs reduction.
And this point must be cleared and we need to find the absolute correlation bewteen sugar and Pois.

Even gluten. We know real coealic disease is about 1% (my tests are negative). But everybody is sensitive to gluten mostly without symptoms.
If a poiser says me that no gluten diet improves his Pois, I say "Ok, it's very nice and I'm proud of your progress. But, is it really gluten or the lower glycemic diet you follow ?"

Although sugar has bad effects on health, it really has zero effects on my POIS.  I can eat a whole batch of GF brownies (tons of sugar), orgasm a couple times that same night, and have no POIS.

For a long time I realized my POIS has to do with food sensitivities/allergies, not blood glucose levels.  Again, eating loads of sugar will not help you feel good in anyway for anybody.  I avoid aspartame like the plague though.

If anyone remembers a long time ago I had a pois free month or two and always wondered how or why that happened.  I remembered I used to drink almond milk, as well as.being GF that helped.  So I again went completely gluten free and than dairy free again (sub with almond milk), and POIS was drastically reduced.  Further investigation revealed I had to avoid more grains and some additional sensitivities to get to 99-100%.  These literal bubbles I get in my mouth are a good indication for me if I have a problem with a food or not. 

The good news is I "seem" to be able to tolerate some foods better.  I have been eating Mexican food (hard corn tacos, yellow rice) without reaction from a restaurant and felt decent afterwards.  So, if this crazy sh*t is correct, my gut "may" be healing.

So bjim, I think the correlation with sugar is that it causes bodily inflammation in everybody, but, and take this with a grain of salt, if the intestinal lining is compromised (as believed like I had and possibly still have) and you add inflammatory sugars into the mix, you will probably feel this inflammation more than if your intestinal lining was in good shape and dealing with these sugars.

So for me, gluten and dairy were the biggest culprits followed by brown rice and corn... I literally get gut pain and feel absolutely like sh*t from these grains.  Dairy really just effected my mood and brain fog.  You never know if food is the problem until you try (like I have).  But from what I see I don't think this works for everyone with POIS as a symptom.

And bjim, did you have a celiac test while eating a normal diet (gluten included) ?


Well said, also Bjim you do not have to necessarily test positive for celiac disease in order for you to have sensitivity to gluten.Many people suffer from Non celiac gluten sensitivity, where blood markers for celiac are absent but they still have very bad sensitivity to gluten and patients generally complain about intestinal pain and POIS like symptoms.

Take this clip for example ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2XVwpL7mZ0 ) many patients come in with POIS like symptoms and as soon as the doctor puts them on a gluten free diet they recover comfortably. A blood test which differentiates celiac patients from those who suffer from non gluten sensitivity was also discovered recently and it is based on the cytokine levels after ingesting gluten (http://www.immusant.com/docs/ImmusanT%20UEGWeek%20Late%20Breaker%20Data_FINAL.pdf) .

Also just wanted to add that since being POIS free with the diet, right after orgasm I get a sharp pain in my intestines that I never felt when ingesting gluten or carbs. It was more pronounced when I was in Ketosis.

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Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
« Reply #142 on: March 20, 2018, 10:50:47 AM »
I didn't look this point since some years but it seems there is a scientific argument :
https://www.health.harvard.edu/digestive-health/is-something-in-your-diet-causing-diarrhea

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Sugar. Sugars stimulate the gut to put out water and electrolytes, which loosen bowel movements. If you ingest a lot of sugar, you may develop diarrhea. One of the biggest offenders is fructose, which is found naturally in fruits (such as peaches, pears, cherries, and apples) or added to foods and drinks, such as applesauce, soda, and juice beverages. "Seventy-five percent of people who ingest more than 40 to 80 grams of fructose per day will get diarrhea," says gastroenterologist Dr. Norton Greenberger, a Harvard Medical School professor. Another offender: artificial sweeteners such as sorbitol, mannitol, and xylitol (found in sugar-free gum, candy, and medications).

Maybe the secret is here. Avoiding sugar or gluten to save electrolytes in competition.

In my case, fructose don"t increase the Pois and the diarreahas symptoms. So, the culprit must be glucose and Na+ electrolyte.

Other electrolyte : Ca++ (explaining muscle tremors in Pois ????)
                           Iron
                            Bicarbonate
                             k

Maybe we should test electrolytes before and after orgasm and follow a diet balancing them


Interesting thoughts, b_jim. 

POIS is a complex puzzle with many pieces.  Electrolytes seem to be a part for me, since I have potassium, and magnesium, in my pre-pack, and both are clearly useful for me in POIS.  Magnesium for anxiety and energy level, and potassium for hypotension, and hard-pounding heart related to extreme fatigue, and for fatigue level itself.  I also use potassium after sport for the same reason ( I probably lose too much potassium when sweating, or through muscle activity, since muscle contraction throws potassium out of the muscular cells... I may have a genetic defect of the sodium/potassium ions pump ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Na%2B/K%2B-ATPase ), at cellular level, so my potassium goes back too slowly in the cells.....just another hypothesis...)
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Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
« Reply #143 on: March 22, 2018, 01:00:17 PM »
Hi GLC , i am traying to figure out what is that in food that can bodher as, i found this guy who claim that he cure his multiple helath problems(genetics mutations trigered) by removing LECTINS contenig food. Could yours diet be lectins free?

https://www.selfhacked.com/blog/supplements-foods-exercise-right-type-th1-vs-th2-dominance/

https://www.selfhacked.com/blog/elimination-diet-safest-foods-people-sensitive-everything/?_ga=2.182902639.811876841.1521676106-1193880999.1519257793#A_Diet_toAvoid_the_Most_Harmful_Food_Compounds

Dr-pois.

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Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
« Reply #144 on: March 22, 2018, 07:19:54 PM »
Hi GLC , i am traying to figure out what is that in food that can bodher as, i found this guy who claim that he cure his multiple helath problems(genetics mutations trigered) by removing LECTINS contenig food. Could yours diet be lectins free?

https://www.selfhacked.com/blog/supplements-foods-exercise-right-type-th1-vs-th2-dominance/

https://www.selfhacked.com/blog/elimination-diet-safest-foods-people-sensitive-everything/?_ga=2.182902639.811876841.1521676106-1193880999.1519257793#A_Diet_toAvoid_the_Most_Harmful_Food_Compounds

Lectins are basically the irritating content in food. I do see some similarities, for example: grains, uncooked beans, dairy and nightshades, chickpeas, avacados, bananas,etc... But not carrots, salmon or sweet potatoes.  Perhaps a day i can look into it more, or maybe somebody can for me by what's listed on the first post on this thread.  I found another good site:

https://www.superfoodly.com/foods-high-in-lectins/

I'm not sure if my diet so far is exactly like a lectin avoidance diet, but it looks quite similar...on second look it looks very similar.  Garlic, casein, a lot of the stuff on their I avoid.  But it makes sense that not everyone would have a problem with every lectin.

A promising thing for me is the enzyme i am taking is supposed to cut proline-rich molecules to essentially make it non-immunogenic before it enters the small intestine (not 100%, but close to 90 and it continues working from there).  It just so happens that lectins (I'm not sure if all?) are rich in proline!  While it's too early to report on this enzyme yet, I seem to be doing okay so far on it (been using it for 2 days).
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Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
« Reply #145 on: March 24, 2018, 11:16:05 AM »
Hii all :) I tried to use viburnum yesterday and i felt myself much better. My brain fog disappeared..I used a lot of vibutnum today, i still feel good, but i  often urinate.

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Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
« Reply #146 on: March 25, 2018, 08:58:36 PM »
Hii all :) I tried to use viburnum yesterday and i felt myself much better. My brain fog disappeared..I used a lot of vibutnum today, i still feel good, but i  often urinate.
What is this?
My POIS 100% managed with modified Paleo Diet (@ diet that 100% manages my pois)Believe my POIS stems from inflammation in the gut. O and stimulation = neuro POIS from inflammation from the gut. Can O freely. Current supplements: tolerase g at times.

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Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
« Reply #147 on: March 25, 2018, 09:38:41 PM »
Hii all :) I tried to use viburnum yesterday and i felt myself much better. My brain fog disappeared..I used a lot of vibutnum today, i still feel good, but i  often urinate.
What is this?
It is red berry. https://www.inmoment.ru/beauty/health-body/useful-properties-products-k1.html

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Re: Diet that 100% manages my POIS! (Changed from:Diet that CURED my POIS!)
« Reply #148 on: April 05, 2018, 09:50:03 PM »
Just an update on an enzyme i am taking that breaks down prolamines (in grains).

Pros:

-Haven't had any mouth ulcers/bubbles inside mouth since every time I took it right before problematic food
-no real identifiable pain yet in gut

Cons:

- causes insomnia
- causes heart palpitations
- does not prevent my mood reaction to nightshades so far (tomato sauce tried)

So every time I took it with grains it seems to have worked (tried corn and rice), however, the insomnia is the hard part.  This is where I combined it with olive leaf extract to get a better sleep, but it was not the best sleep.  I do not like taking ole more than one day a week.

This is where I am at now.
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« Reply #149 on: April 06, 2018, 06:31:15 AM »
A blood test which differentiates celiac patients from those who suffer from non gluten sensitivity was also discovered recently and it is based on the cytokine levels after ingesting gluten (http://www.immusant.com/docs/ImmusanT%20UEGWeek%20Late%20Breaker%20Data_FINAL.pdf) .

Interesting, IL-8 is elevated in those patients.
Aside from that I wonder if people feel better by the core idea of a diet or the potential avoidance of mast cell triggers in that diet regarding POIS symptoms. For example do people feel better on a gluten free diet because they avoid gluten, is another molecule responsible for improvements or is it a random mast cell trigger which they avoid.
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