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Re: Is POIS a version of CFS?
« Reply #60 on: February 07, 2021, 12:48:17 PM »
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Re: Is POIS a version of CFS?
« Reply #62 on: February 08, 2021, 07:43:53 AM »
Reductions in Cerebral Blood Flow Can Be Provoked by Sitting in Severe Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Patients
https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9032/8/4/394

Conection to Pois- cfs-CMV trigered...
Recovery of neutrophil count by ganciclovir in patients with chronic idiopathic neutropenia associated with cytomegalovirus infection in bone marrow stromal cells
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15218961/
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Re: Is POIS a version of CFS?
« Reply #63 on: February 09, 2021, 07:44:48 PM »
https://forums.phoenixrising.me/threads/you-probably-have-an-autoimmune-disease.82395/page-5#post-2316670

Alpha-1 Adrenergic receptor (a1AR) autoantibody at #1. What about POISers? And what about autoantibodies against opioid receptors?
I think antibodies to adrenergic receptors is a very probable cause of POIS.
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3300.0

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Re: Is POIS a version of CFS?
« Reply #64 on: February 09, 2021, 10:11:32 PM »

I think antibodies to adrenergic receptors is a very probable cause of POIS.


Wow.

Very strong statement!
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Re: Is POIS a version of CFS?
« Reply #65 on: February 10, 2021, 09:40:28 AM »
She (Learner1) got elevated IFN-g, IL-12, IL-18 and elevated antibodies @ celltrend against (via private conversation): Alpha-1 adrenergic receptor and Muscarinic cholinergic (M4) receptor. https://forums.phoenixrising.me/threads/discriminatory-cytokine-profiles-predict-muscle-function-fatigue-and-cognitive-function-in-patients-with-myalgic-encephalomyelitis-cfs.81197/#post-2294547

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Re: Is POIS a version of CFS?
« Reply #66 on: February 10, 2021, 10:37:25 AM »
I tested for adrenal cortex antibody and was negative not sure if it's the same thing as you're speaking about.

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Re: Is POIS a version of CFS?
« Reply #67 on: February 10, 2021, 10:54:13 AM »

I think antibodies to adrenergic receptors is a very probable cause of POIS.


Wow.

Very strong statement!

I'm a layman, so take this with a huge grain of salt. I just think autoimmunity would explain why people find help with strategies that manipulate the gut (diet, probiotics, antibiotics, etc),  various supplementa, etc. Alternatively, there could be many other explanations, but autoimmunity, HPA axis dysfunction is where it is, IMO. This is pure speculation on my part.

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Re: Is POIS a version of CFS?
« Reply #68 on: February 10, 2021, 10:56:52 AM »
I tested for adrenal cortex antibody and was negative not sure if it's the same thing as you're speaking about.
It's not. It's completely different.

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Re: Is POIS a version of CFS?
« Reply #69 on: February 10, 2021, 01:21:32 PM »
Dr Theoharides suggested checking folate auto antibodies for me considering I react to all forms of folate and have a folate deficiency

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Re: Is POIS a version of CFS?
« Reply #70 on: February 10, 2021, 01:41:31 PM »
Dr Theoharides suggested checking folate auto antibodies for me considering I react to all forms of folate and have a folate deficiency
What lab provides this test?

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Re: Is POIS a version of CFS?
« Reply #71 on: February 10, 2021, 01:58:29 PM »
What lab provides this test?

http://iliadneuro.com/ he said it was the only lab in the world that does this test.

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Re: Is POIS a version of CFS?
« Reply #72 on: February 11, 2021, 07:03:07 AM »
Dr Theoharides suggested checking folate auto antibodies for me considering I react to all forms of folate and have a folate deficiency

From reddit :
"There is an increasing body of evidence that gut microbe Lactobacillus Reuteri is deficient in many people with ASD, and one of the products of this microbe is folate.

I've just started taking it myself and seems to be having a positive effect, but it may be worth a shot as it can be easily purchased over the counter."

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Re: Is POIS a version of CFS?
« Reply #73 on: February 11, 2021, 10:46:20 AM »

I think antibodies to adrenergic receptors is a very probable cause of POIS.


Wow.

Very strong statement!

I'm a layman, so take this with a huge grain of salt. I just think autoimmunity would explain why people find help with strategies that manipulate the gut (diet, probiotics, antibiotics, etc),  various supplementa, etc. Alternatively, there could be many other explanations, but autoimmunity, HPA axis dysfunction is where it is, IMO. This is pure speculation on my part.
My POIS disappeared during the duration of being sick with the cold in the 2020 February despite not abstaining during that time and the moment it healed and I trigerred the POIS it came back full with symptoms but when I did not have it I had even less brain fog and symptoms in general and felt better than I feel even on many weeks of abstinence in terms of cognitive clarity and such however due to the cold itself I did not feel that well physically however cognitively I had almost zero brain fog and this weird mental processing speed slowdown I seem to always have even when on a long streak of abstinence had fully disappeared while I was sick with that cold in the 2020 February

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Re: Is POIS a version of CFS?
« Reply #74 on: February 11, 2021, 10:51:04 AM »
My POIS disappeared during the duration of being sick with the cold in the 2020 February despite not abstaining during that time and the moment it healed

Haha yes we all know this now you've said it many many times.

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Re: Is POIS a version of CFS?
« Reply #75 on: February 11, 2021, 10:51:41 AM »

I think antibodies to adrenergic receptors is a very probable cause of POIS.


Wow.

Very strong statement!

I'm a layman, so take this with a huge grain of salt. I just think autoimmunity would explain why people find help with strategies that manipulate the gut (diet, probiotics, antibiotics, etc),  various supplementa, etc. Alternatively, there could be many other explanations, but autoimmunity, HPA axis dysfunction is where it is, IMO. This is pure speculation on my part.
My POIS disappeared during the duration of being sick with the cold in the 2020 February despite not abstaining during that time and the moment it healed and I trigerred the POIS it came back full with symptoms but when I did not have it I had even less brain fog and symptoms in general and felt better than I feel even on many weeks of abstinence in terms of cognitive clarity and such however due to the cold itself I did not feel that well physically however cognitively I had almost zero brain fog and this weird mental processing speed slowdown I seem to always have even when on a long streak of abstinence had fully disappeared while I was sick with that cold in the 2020 February

One more argument for POIS being related to CFS, because this is not uncommon in CFS community to have symptoms improve or disappear when sick. I've also had this experience. Some say it's because immune system shifts the focus away from something that's causing symptoms (maybe pathogen or autoimmunity) and directs it where ir is most needed, fighting the virus.

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Re: Is POIS a version of CFS?
« Reply #76 on: February 11, 2021, 11:49:04 AM »

I think antibodies to adrenergic receptors is a very probable cause of POIS.


Wow.

Very strong statement!

I'm a layman, so take this with a huge grain of salt. I just think autoimmunity would explain why people find help with strategies that manipulate the gut (diet, probiotics, antibiotics, etc),  various supplementa, etc. Alternatively, there could be many other explanations, but autoimmunity, HPA axis dysfunction is where it is, IMO. This is pure speculation on my part.
My POIS disappeared during the duration of being sick with the cold in the 2020 February despite not abstaining during that time and the moment it healed and I trigerred the POIS it came back full with symptoms but when I did not have it I had even less brain fog and symptoms in general and felt better than I feel even on many weeks of abstinence in terms of cognitive clarity and such however due to the cold itself I did not feel that well physically however cognitively I had almost zero brain fog and this weird mental processing speed slowdown I seem to always have even when on a long streak of abstinence had fully disappeared while I was sick with that cold in the 2020 February

One more argument for POIS being related to CFS, because this is not uncommon in CFS community to have symptoms improve or disappear when sick. I've also had this experience. Some say it's because immune system shifts the focus away from something that's causing symptoms (maybe pathogen or autoimmunity) and directs it where ir is most needed, fighting the virus.
I wonder what is the root cause of this immune engagement? John21 POIS disappeared for some months after taking antibiotics and then returned. That could mean perhaps there is some pathogen that is chronically in the organisms of those with those rare chronic multisymptoms disorders and they either are attacked directly and thus the inflammation formed affects other and nearby tissues as well or they mimick healthy tissue which then the immunity system interprets as the pathogen because of their similarities and therefore causes those symptoms. Therefore the question should be what is the root cause of those symptoms and what to do to permanently fix and cure it? If John21 had POIS disappear for some months after taking those antibiotics and probiotics and then it returned it could mean for some reason those potential possible pathogens tend to return therefore the question should be why they returned in John21 POIS case? And what to do to ensure the organism is permanently free from those underlying imbalances or pathogens that then cause those symptoms. It could besome other imbalance that makes it harder for the body to naturally fight against them or some foods or environmental factors might contain them and the POISers are more prone to having those pathogens accumulate or some genetical reasons could make it easier for those pathogens to accumulate

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Re: Is POIS a version of CFS?
« Reply #77 on: February 11, 2021, 09:27:36 PM »

I'm a layman, so take this with a huge grain of salt...


Cursed, everyone is a POIS layman, MD’s included, because no one knows what POIS is all about.

Therefore, as a POISer, I hereby classify you as an expert! ;D
« Last Edit: February 11, 2021, 09:29:52 PM by demografx »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Is POIS a version of CFS?
« Reply #78 on: February 12, 2021, 08:39:18 AM »
« Last Edit: February 12, 2021, 08:41:36 AM by Muon »

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Re: Is POIS a version of CFS?
« Reply #79 on: February 13, 2021, 04:23:46 PM »

I think antibodies to adrenergic receptors is a very probable cause of POIS.


Wow.

Very strong statement!

I'm a layman, so take this with a huge grain of salt. I just think autoimmunity would explain why people find help with strategies that manipulate the gut (diet, probiotics, antibiotics, etc),  various supplementa, etc. Alternatively, there could be many other explanations, but autoimmunity, HPA axis dysfunction is where it is, IMO. This is pure speculation on my part.
My POIS disappeared during the duration of being sick with the cold in the 2020 February despite not abstaining during that time and the moment it healed and I trigerred the POIS it came back full with symptoms but when I did not have it I had even less brain fog and symptoms in general and felt better than I feel even on many weeks of abstinence in terms of cognitive clarity and such however due to the cold itself I did not feel that well physically however cognitively I had almost zero brain fog and this weird mental processing speed slowdown I seem to always have even when on a long streak of abstinence had fully disappeared while I was sick with that cold in the 2020 February

One more argument for POIS being related to CFS, because this is not uncommon in CFS community to have symptoms improve or disappear when sick. I've also had this experience. Some say it's because immune system shifts the focus away from something that's causing symptoms (maybe pathogen or autoimmunity) and directs it where ir is most needed, fighting the virus.
I wonder what is the root cause of this immune engagement? John21 POIS disappeared for some months after taking antibiotics and then returned. That could mean perhaps there is some pathogen that is chronically in the organisms of those with those rare chronic multisymptoms disorders and they either are attacked directly and thus the inflammation formed affects other and nearby tissues as well or they mimick healthy tissue which then the immunity system interprets as the pathogen because of their similarities and therefore causes those symptoms. Therefore the question should be what is the root cause of those symptoms and what to do to permanently fix and cure it? If John21 had POIS disappear for some months after taking those antibiotics and probiotics and then it returned it could mean for some reason those potential possible pathogens tend to return therefore the question should be why they returned in John21 POIS case? And what to do to ensure the organism is permanently free from those underlying imbalances or pathogens that then cause those symptoms. It could besome other imbalance that makes it harder for the body to naturally fight against them or some foods or environmental factors might contain them and the POISers are more prone to having those pathogens accumulate or some genetical reasons could make it easier for those pathogens to accumulate

Seems like my reply to this post disappeared? Well, anyway, I think this is something that you want to look at if you want to dig deeper:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30021103/

Re-framing the theory of autoimmunity in the era of the microbiome: persistent pathogens, autoantibodies, and molecular mimicry
Amy D Proal  1 , Trevor G Marshall  1

Abstract

The theory of autoimmunity was developed at a time when the human body was regarded as largely sterile. Antibodies in patients with chronic inflammatory disease could consequently not be tied to persistent human pathogens. The concept of the "autoantibody" was created to reconcile this phenomenon. Today, however, the discovery of the human microbiome has revolutionized our understanding of human biology. Humans are superorganisms that harbor trillions of persistent microbial cells. Indeed, vast human microbiomes have been detected in human tissue and blood. These microbial ecosystems harbor thousands of newly identified bacteria, viruses, and other microorganisms -- most of which can act as pathogens under conditions of immunosuppression. The theory of autoimmunity must be revised to account for the human microbiome. Here, we propose a model in which "autoantibodies" are created in response to chronic, persistent microbiome pathogens. The structural homology (molecular mimicry) between pathogen and host proteins can result in "collateral damage" to surrounding human tissue. This calls for a paradigm shift in autoimmune disease treatment. Immunosuppressive medications palliate inflammatory symptoms at the expense of microbiome health and balance. In contrast, treatments that support the immune system in autoimmune disease could allow patients to target pathogens at the root of the disease process.
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