wiped.

[Jon]

Hey guys, check this out.

http://www.actionlove.com/cases/case16665.htm

[sameer7777]

so is it true ? guys this action love is a scan or true ?

[Willem]

Hey guys, check this out.

http://www.actionlove.com/cases/case16665.htm

"You also must avoid fully emptying your semen and sperms. Retaining about 50% of semen will let your body use the androgen hormones and neurotransmitters to restore your nervous function;"
That's an interesting assertion.  Has anyone noticed this?  I think I noticed years ago that if I held back during O that I recuperated faster, but it's been a while since I tried that.  

[Willem]

so is it true ? guys this action love is a scan or true ?

It doesn't look like a scam.  A lot of buzz words and mostly neurological/hormonal explanation of POIS, but it sounds pretty reasonable. 

[Daveman]

so is it true ? guys this action love is a scan or true ?

It doesn't look like a scam.  A lot of buzz words and mostly neurological/hormonal explanation of POIS, but it sounds pretty reasonable. 

There's a lot of stuff on NSF about Dr. Lin..... I'll see if I can get Demo to say a few words. He's quite familiar with the goings on.

Demo found this, this is his quote!

"This guy sums Lin up well:


Dr. Lin is an online quack whose doctorate is in engineering, and I don't believe has been trained in TCM. He's taking a few techniques from TCM and Mantak Chia, thrown them up on a confusing series of websites, managed to get high up on search engine ratings, and he makes a killing ripping people off with overpriced herbal concoctions to treat various ailments, particularly sex-related ones.. His "medical advice" is sometimes harmful. "
http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?/topic/5094-weak-erection/page__st__20

Several of us have tried some of his remedies, but ended up just spending a lot of money.

[Vincent M]

It's a scam. I haven't heard of those products helping anyone. Besides you can tell by just looking at the site if you look at it carefully.

[Jon]

Thats a great quote from demo. It definately makes sense. I'm looking to try something to help with the symptoms soon, I'll let you guys know if it works.


Guys, I know your all dealing with your respective issues but if you guys wouldnt mind weighing in on something I would really value your opinion...

I have just about all the POIS symptoms listed with the mental being the bigger issue for me. However, my symptoms are constent and I have never felt relief since they started even though I have held off for months.. I also have POIS ontop of these symptoms, so after a few days I will only recover to that terrible consistency. About a year ago I started getting constant 'fight or flight' symptoms on top of all the other mental stuff. Its like i cant face and talk to people, I am even always stressed and uncomfortable even when I'm in the same room as somebody. It is so extreme that I even have difficulty communicating with my family from time to time. I thought i was in hell before I developed it, but now its by far my worst symptom. Is anybody else experiencing these symptoms? Does anybody have any idea what could be causing this?


Thanks guys.

[Vincent M]

Guys, I know your all dealing with your respective issues but if you guys wouldnt mind weighing in on something I would really value your opinion...

I have just about all the POIS symptoms listed with the mental being the bigger issue for me. However, my symptoms are constent and I have never felt relief since they started even though I have held off for months.. I also have POIS ontop of these symptoms, so after a few days I will only recover to that terrible consistency. About a year ago I started getting constant 'fight or flight' symptoms on top of all the other mental stuff. Its like i cant face and talk to people, I am even always stressed and uncomfortable even when I'm in the same room as somebody. It is so extreme that I even have difficulty communicating with my family from time to time. I thought i was in hell before I developed it, but now its by far my worst symptom. Is anybody else experiencing these symptoms? Does anybody have any idea what could be causing this?

I think most of us recover almost fully from our symptoms if we abstain from sexual activity for long enough. I definitely have the constant fight/flight thing going on and I've always had social anxiety so I know what you mean there. I think the fenugreek + garlic was helping me with that.

[Jon]

Damn, I wish I could get help. I have no relief no matter how long I hold off. Does the fenugreek and garlic work on days that you dont have sexual activity?

[Daveman]

Jon, you are affected more in the cognitive right?

BTW, we should try to put our histories  here so that when we have a problem, the rest can go and look to have a better idea what might help. I haven't put mine yet either..... today I'll do it.

I'm more affected physically. I would say that I have two parts: one part where the symptoms are worse from day "0" to "5" or so, and another part that goes on almost forever. I guess that after a month or so, I am close to normal, but still with certain aches and pains. What I don;t know, is how much of that which remains is of other origin (like age for instance) or from the constant pounding of POIS. And I hardly ever go more than 6 weeks, so that's a lot, but maybe not enough to let myself completely heal.

If it's cognitive, I think i could be similar. One could have a parallel condition, that would be there anyways, or as a result of constant pounding of POIS.

It's always been my impression that POIS exagerates any pre-existing condition.

So maybe you might look into the possibility of some pre-existing condition, although it may have otherwise been dormant. Of course this doesn't mean that you will be cured of POIS, but at least maybe it can give you some relief between times of greater abstention.

I have found also, in my case, there are things I can do to reduce the duration. Problem is, that I'm not always successful, but I can often arrange for 2 lighter sessons for evey stronger one. Thos also can give more time between for recuperation.

[Jon]

Daveman, I have both physical and cognitive symptoms, but the cognitive are far more severe.

I'm 24 now. I was always pretty healthy and never masturbated a lot. The first symptoms I ever experienced appeared suddenly one day when I was 16 at the beginning of orgasm. I felt different immediately even before finishing the O. It happened ina n instant, it felt like an engine in my head or body turned off. Thigns suddenly seemed colorless and very dull, I just felt blah and sluggish both physically and mentally. i have not had one second of relief since that day.

I started noticing these POIS symptoms soon after. The issues have been steadily gotten worse over the past 8 years, and they are constant. I never have a good libido. I cant do anything anymore, cant think, cant work, always mentally absent, slurred words, constant fight or flight, faitgued, hot flashes, hair weakening, swallowing issues... I can go on and on. I have the POIS but only recover to the way I have been feeling which is horrible. Its gotten so bad that at times I dont even notice when my POIS period has ended anymore because Im overwhelmed by these chronic symptoms. However, during the POIS period ALL the symptoms seem to be worse. I dont know if they are intertwined or what but I literally cant function during the day, I cant even speak to people. Naturally, I have developed depression and anxiety because of it.

I dont even really ejaculate anymore and I hold off weeks sometimes months at a time. Its hard to get it up as it is.

I am seeing a very good doctor next week but I dont even know where to start. I've seen all kinds of doctors and have never had success.

If the chronic condition is a pre existing one I cant imagine what field that would fall into. I am just in dire straits right now. You seem like a smart guy, do you have any suggestions or ideas for me ? Thanks.

[Daveman]

The only thing that came to me as I was reading your post, is to be careful with you new doctor about over emphasizing the continual POIS condition. That is, if he somehow has doubts and on top of that he can imagine that it doesn't have to do with orgasm, he miight think that it's a psychological thing.

It probably wouldn't hurt to mention that there's always some degree of POIS there, but make a certain distinction that it's worse right after and for a certain period after the orgasm.

We know how they tend to think that it's all in our heads.

[Jon]

Yes, they definately do tend to think that.

Thank you for the tips, Daveman. I hope all is well.

[UnderstandingPois]

hey jon, i had the same symptoms and that is exactly how i felt when i first did it, everything became dull and i changed ever since, and yes i got even worse n worse, and if i stop taking vitamin d i will get that grows sick horrible feeling back . if you have that ugly feeling, you have to find a supplement that can get this chalky stuff out. i know people have different symptoms but my guess is , they have different symptoms because different parts of theyre brain are being affected. anyway, i wont preach.

i made a post under alternative cures or something?    read that. it might help.   basically, i used a couple things, centrum protegra/ enrgize/energy shot/ and alot of sunlight everyday , you know, vitamin d.

to clear those bad symptoms of pois , i stay away  from to much dairy eggs. after i eat i take high dose of vitamin d. and ya i guess i take centrum protegra still but i went without it for a long time, with just vitamin d and this still worked.  i think that it was a fluke that the chalky stuff started coming out.  but forthe dull distached from life feeling, i still to this day have that, ive tried dopamine drugs, and serotonin drugs, none helpd. if they do, i think its just a cover up, like ritalin gave me more motivation and pleasure. but thats it, the thing with antidepressants and medication that affect nuerons, are tolerance,you take them it can make it worse,youll need a higher and higher dose just to get a feeling from it, ritalin made things worse for me and further destroyed my emotions modivation interest and more.

but i know every1 with cognitive symptoms can agree, i am so tired of trying to figure this out, it is sickning just thinking about it,i dont think it shouid be our job to do that, doctors need to step up, the rich should help the poor the healthy should help the unhealthy. this is bs =)

[Jon]

Hey there. Its so interested that you are experiencing similar symptoms. How and when did the symptoms come on for you, Are you saying that they came on suddenly at orgasm and have never left like mine have?

Please, Its fine dont worry about it. If you know what your talking about then feel free to preach thru here or message me.

I did not see the post you made but these things you used sound interesting, im not sure what they are.

What do you mean by chalky stuff? I definately have the detached feeling from life feeling, but my cognitive symptoms have gotten so bad that it is not hard to think and I feel like I have dementia type stuff.

I agree, These high payed doctors need to step up !

[UnderstandingPois]

i feel the same way .my symptoms actually got so bad at a time i was kinda mentally retarded lol. i fixed that when this chalky stuff started coming out, but still to this day, i feel a very severe case of attention deficit disorder, where im just so distached from the world people conversation n everything, it is still hard to process things, my anxiety is really bad when im around people. anyway im intersted in what that one doctor said, cause it is true dopamine is the problem here, and did anyone ever drink aloooot of milk before or at puberty . curious, i know some protiens in milk can not let blood vessels restrict, is this why dairy makes me sick cause it is getting clogged, inflamed? cause vitamin d does take this chalky stuff out for me, and then i feel relief from brain fog , and a sick ugly feeling.   

anyway, dopamine drugs did help alot, they made me feel normal, as if pois dident exist, life became alive, but no effect if you are on just day one or two of pois, the longer you go without orgasm the more effect the drug has on you, so something is not letting it do its job, maybe it is reduced blood flow to ares of the dopamine pathways, there are different pathways that have different functions in the brain, thus why people have different symptoms? i always thought it was because of dopamine and i am positive that it is because of it, and if i could just find out why dopamine isent working properly. there are different kinds of dompamine drugs, releasing agents , agonists, reuptake inhibitors,  ive only tried releasing agents and reuptake. but it would help if we had a doctor who would explain what exactly happens during arousil n orgasm in the body, nitrc oxide also can be in play here ive never tried it before, but anyway, it dialates the blood vessels, this could dialate it so that blood can go to all areas of the brain, letting the body do necesary functions.

[Daveman]

Jon, understandingpois(UP for short),

I too am familiar with "the chalky stuff". And have also felt the almost immediate relief after getting rid of this stuff. Most of the time.

I was having a lot more chalky stuff before. There seem to be several potential causes.

While evacuating this stuff can be accompanied by a solid relief on the brian fog and POIS symptoms it doesn't necesarily mean however that it is a substance that comes from the brain... it just feels like it.

One cause of the chalky stuff could be urinary tract infections (UTIs), however this would be less of a direct relationship with orgasm than an indirect one. Also UTIs normally come with other symptoms, burning, temperature, etc.

Another is similar to UTI, but more directly related; with retro-ejaculation, sperm going back into the bladder exagerated by the autoimmune response can cause a build up that is expelled later.

Another is damage to the kidneys caused by non-steroid anti-inflamatorys (NSAIDs). When I was having chalky stuff almost regularly (odd numbered days after orgasm) it seems as though it was a result of the ibuprofem/tylenol combo that I took. I'd start taking it on day 1, after a day of taking it (maybe 3 times a day) I'd get the white stuff). I stopped taking iboprofen and the white stuff stopped. I've had it once since and strangly I had taken a couple of doses of the combo previously.

Another I've heard is precisely from people taking the energy drinks and heavy vitamin mixes. It's possible that it initiates some kind of reaction that casues the kidney to respond by removing the "puss" from the system.

But I would want to be very careful. Could it be doing damage to the kidneys or liver? We really should check that out. It's fantastic that we can find relief, but we don't want to do it at the expense of our overall health.

I don't say not to do it. But we really need to be sure we are helping ourselves and not damaging ourselves. Also, we are not all alike. We need to try to assure that the treatment we are attempting is appropriate for US.

[Jon]

Thats very interesting, guys. Let me say that I am very familar with not being able to function or think and also having unexplained anxiety when talking to people.

I, too, believe our issue has a lot to do with dopamine.

What do you guys mean by 'chalky stuff' ?

[UnderstandingPois]

    i recommend trying diferent natural anti-inflamatory suplements, n watching for this chalky stuff to come out of urine. take the supplements for a good time.

VITAMIN D

FISH OIL

tylenol or whatever, altho i stay away from.


devils claw

ginger

just whatever , try medicine one by one so that you know what is actually helping.

multivitamin like protegra that have trace minerals, say that make skin elasticy and blood vessels elasticy.



but this chalky stuff , if its gone itll just give you relief of feeling crappy, brain fog, and more.

this will not actually help pois or recover from pois faster.  this chalky stuff just contributes to make pois feel worse.


i can take vitamin d after eating n not have to worry about brain fog and that bad feeling of crappyness,
but pois itself i cannot just take a pill and fix.

it takes time, and if you can find the rite anti-inflamatory medicine for you that can help with your mental conditions, thats great youll be in my shoes. but thats not a cure. youll then realize without all that suffering , that this is nuerological,. and you can tell man, this is not normal. to me its a very serious depression,  i look around, there is not one thing i want to do, there is nothing that makes me happy, there is nothing that can make me feel good, all i see is dullness life is so dull, colours music n interaction. life is not enjoyable n there is no meaning, no reason to get up off my ass and move on go further in life. 

That is the real problem, but i would recomendlooking into nuerotransmitters and looking to see what transmitter would best explain your symptoms of pois. because this is very close to a nuerotransmitter imbalance, deficency.  but the difference, it happens upon arousil, ejaculation. maybe pois recovery, is chemical imbalances balancing finally over time, but slowly.

this makes more sence than any other organ hormones in the body, altho, they can also have a effect upon the brain. like tetosterone.

[Jon]

UnderstandingPois, I'm feeling like we might have a lot of the same symptoms. We should chat more.