depression

[Labyrinth]

hello guys . do u guys have depression every morning . can u describe the depression ?

for me the depression is associated with sleep . in the morning when i wake up i have depression it looks dark for me in the morning
then it becomes better when the rest of the day passes
then if i overload myself in job i get racing mind with depression again so anybody have depression like me ?! and do u have a job ?!

[superfrancais]

Hi Labyrinth,

hello guys . do u guys have depression every morning . can u describe the depression ?

for me the depression is associated with sleep . in the morning when i wake up i have depression it looks dark for me in the morning
then it becomes better when the rest of the day passes
then if i overload myself in job i get racing mind with depression again so anybody have depression like me ?! and do u have a job ?!

I experience something similar. When I wake up in the morning, I feel like I am 80 (I am 40) and I wonder how I will be able to survive until the end of the day. It's mainly physical, I am tired, my back hurts, I feel like every move will dislocate my joints. Then, already after the small walk with the dogs and after taking my breakfast, I start feeling a bit better. And usually I am able to play tennis in the afternoon with less energy that I would like, but still.

My interpretation is that the inflammation associated with POIS increases during the night while we are standing still in the bed. And when we are starting moving it decreases a bit (fortunately). I have to say that the Curcuma spice alleviates a lot of these physical symptoms, but it does nothing for the neurological symptoms, and it does nothing to help me feel better immediately when I wake up.

The difference with you is that I don't really feel more depressed than during the rest of the day when I wake up. I am depressed because I feel so tired and unable to achieve anything, it's more like a side-effect.

It's interesting that you write about your small "burn outs" during your working day because I experience the same. As soon as I try to push myself a bit, for instance to work with my brain about something, I start feeling my brain burning and saying me to stop, it's so frustrating.

As for your question on our job. I have a PhD in Computer Science but was unable to convince myself that I could find a job after that, for the reasons I explained above. So I am more or less unemployed right now... Since I discovered this forum, I am more or less waiting for something to happen... I think the answer to this problem is simple, we just have to find it and we'll all start a new life. We just have to be optimistic and patient. I know my life will be better, I am ready to wait 5 years more if necessary.

[Macster]

Bonjour superfrancais and Labyrinth,

I really do believe as you said superfrancais that this fatigue in the morning is related to not being able to move much during the night. I also find that I feel better when I'm standing up than when I'm lying down. It feels as though it has to do with blood or air circulation somehow.

I also did computer science (only undergraduate, but had studied something else before which made me do a total of 7 years of university...). I started working about 3 months ago. Sure, it gets stressful sometimes because I need my brain to be awake almost at any moment, but I find its less strainful than school used to be. Im working at a start up with only about 10 people total. Socially it makes things easier for me that we aren't many. In terms of work though I do get stressed when I get symptoms since because this is a small company the work I do almost directly impacts the success of the company... All in all, I don't know if its preferable to work in a small company or in a big one, but I think that if you've made it to phd, you should be fine for work. I also take with me a couple of supplements to work in case of emergency. It makes me feel more confident when something unexpected comes up.

がんばってください！ (keep at it!)

[demografx]

I think the answer to this problem is simple, we just have to find it and we'll all start a new life. We just have to be optimistic and patient. I know my life will be better, I am ready to wait 5 years more if necessary.

Very inspirational, superfrancais! Thank you.

[COLM_2]

On the odd occasion that I have discussed the symptoms of my version of POIS with healthcare indivduals, my GP, a Chinese Dr, many holistic practitioners, psychologist or nutritionist, one of the main symptoms I have had to deal with is waking in the morning feeling like I have been run over by a bus during the night.

I have learned many techniques to shake this early a.m. state off to feel a bit better after an half hour of moving around.

Although I used to think there was predominantly an emotional and depression base to this, I now believe there has perhaps all along been a neurological and possibly other (such as gut) related element to those symptoms.

Nutrition over the last few years has improved some symptoms and also being at a stage of life where I can now avoid O for weeks at a time. Not so easy when younger.

Here's to a brighter future for the young guys here anyway :-) 

For the older POISers we might have to be content with the following words on our tombstone "There you are...I told you I was ill". Not sure if that joke will be understood ;-) but I have to laugh anyway, the irony of living a life with a bizarre syndrome  !!  Some days you're positive, some days you're not !

[Stef]

For the older POISers we might have to be content with the following words on our tombstone "There you are...I told you I was ill". Not sure if that joke will be understood ;-) but I have to laugh anyway, the irony of living a life with a bizarre syndrome  !!  Some days you're positive, some days you're not !

Colm,

Re: "There you are...I told you I was ill" -- I've been to the cemetery where that tombstone is -- in Key West, FL. The tombstone (and the entire Key West cemetery) is a big tourist attraction, and isn't the slightest bit morbid. Key West is very quirky and a lot of fun.

I don't think one has to be "older" to get the drift of that epitaph.

Here's to some good information about this "bizarre syndrome" resulting from the Rutgers study!


Stef

[Stef]

...Keeping supplements at work is a lifesaver and I highly recommend it.


G-man, which supplements do you keep at work? What prompts you to take them?

Stef

[Stef]

G-man, it's great that you experience quick relief from those supplements.

Do you take magnesium?  If so, which type (eg. mag citrate)?

Quantum -- which type of magnesium do you take?

I hope you don't mind my asking -- I find  this very interesting.

Stef

[Quantum]

G-man, it's great that you experience quick relief from those supplements.

Do you take magnesium?  If so, which type (eg. mag citrate)?

Quantum -- which type of magnesium do you take?

I hope you don't mind my asking -- I find  this very interesting.

Stef

Hi Stef,

My favorite source of magnesium is from the Jamieson Brand, one of the best Canadian natural products company, that has high quality standards.  Here is the exact product I am using:  http://www.jamiesonvitamins.com/products/magnesium-100-mg .  If you click on the ingredients tab, you will read that it provides "Elemental Magnesium 100 mg (From a highly absorbable natural magnesium complex source of oxide, citrate, fumarate, malate, succinate)".  I do not have side effects with it. The main side effect with magnesium is diarrhea, usually.  Even if I take 2 tablets of this brand, one to two times a day ( when in POIS), I do not have diarrhea.

My second best, alternate source, are the better known Maglucate tablets, a brand of magnesium gluconate, 500mg per tablet.

[Quantum]

G-man, which supplements do you keep at work? What prompts you to take them?

Stef

On the first two days after O, I bring two Ziploc bagies with me each day to work. Each baggie has the supplements in Quantum's PEP, plus niacin and vitamin b6. I take these when the severity of my symptoms starts to increase rapidly. This can happen at random times throughout the day. Taking the supplements fights the symptoms and can head off the sudden increase in the severity.

Hi, G-man.  Great to hear that your customized version of my supplement combination still works for you. 

My own version still works for me as well, as a one time take before E ( last use a few days ago, ten days after the previous use ).

[G-man]

G-man, it's great that you experience quick relief from those supplements.

Do you take magnesium?  If so, which type (eg. mag citrate)?

I take MAG 200 from Optimox Corporation. It contains magnesium oxide and p-Aminobenzoic Acid (PABA)

[Stef]

Thanks, Quantum & G-man, for answering about the magnesium.

Stef