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Labyrinth

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depression
« on: December 14, 2015, 03:56:05 PM »
hello guys . do u guys have depression every morning . can u describe the depression ?

for me the depression is associated with sleep . in the morning when i wake up i have depression it looks dark for me in the morning
then it becomes better when the rest of the day passes
then if i overload myself in job i get racing mind with depression again so anybody have depression like me ?! and do u have a job ?!
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Re: depression
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2015, 05:21:36 AM »
Hi Labyrinth,

hello guys . do u guys have depression every morning . can u describe the depression ?

for me the depression is associated with sleep . in the morning when i wake up i have depression it looks dark for me in the morning
then it becomes better when the rest of the day passes
then if i overload myself in job i get racing mind with depression again so anybody have depression like me ?! and do u have a job ?!

I experience something similar. When I wake up in the morning, I feel like I am 80 (I am 40) and I wonder how I will be able to survive until the end of the day. It's mainly physical, I am tired, my back hurts, I feel like every move will dislocate my joints. Then, already after the small walk with the dogs and after taking my breakfast, I start feeling a bit better. And usually I am able to play tennis in the afternoon with less energy that I would like, but still.

My interpretation is that the inflammation associated with POIS increases during the night while we are standing still in the bed. And when we are starting moving it decreases a bit (fortunately). I have to say that the Curcuma spice alleviates a lot of these physical symptoms, but it does nothing for the neurological symptoms, and it does nothing to help me feel better immediately when I wake up.

The difference with you is that I don't really feel more depressed than during the rest of the day when I wake up. I am depressed because I feel so tired and unable to achieve anything, it's more like a side-effect.

It's interesting that you write about your small "burn outs" during your working day because I experience the same. As soon as I try to push myself a bit, for instance to work with my brain about something, I start feeling my brain burning and saying me to stop, it's so frustrating.

As for your question on our job. I have a PhD in Computer Science but was unable to convince myself that I could find a job after that, for the reasons I explained above. So I am more or less unemployed right now... Since I discovered this forum, I am more or less waiting for something to happen... I think the answer to this problem is simple, we just have to find it and we'll all start a new life. We just have to be optimistic and patient. I know my life will be better, I am ready to wait 5 years more if necessary.
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Re: depression
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2015, 07:36:15 AM »
Bonjour superfrancais and Labyrinth,

I really do believe as you said superfrancais that this fatigue in the morning is related to not being able to move much during the night. I also find that I feel better when I'm standing up than when I'm lying down. It feels as though it has to do with blood or air circulation somehow.

I also did computer science (only undergraduate, but had studied something else before which made me do a total of 7 years of university...). I started working about 3 months ago. Sure, it gets stressful sometimes because I need my brain to be awake almost at any moment, but I find its less strainful than school used to be. Im working at a start up with only about 10 people total. Socially it makes things easier for me that we aren't many. In terms of work though I do get stressed when I get symptoms since because this is a small company the work I do almost directly impacts the success of the company... All in all, I don't know if its preferable to work in a small company or in a big one, but I think that if you've made it to phd, you should be fine for work. I also take with me a couple of supplements to work in case of emergency. It makes me feel more confident when something unexpected comes up.

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Re: depression
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2015, 09:51:50 AM »

I think the answer to this problem is simple, we just have to find it and we'll all start a new life. We just have to be optimistic and patient. I know my life will be better, I am ready to wait 5 years more if necessary.


Very inspirational, superfrancais! Thank you.
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Re: depression
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2015, 03:21:56 PM »
On the odd occasion that I have discussed the symptoms of my version of POIS with healthcare indivduals, my GP, a Chinese Dr, many holistic practitioners, psychologist or nutritionist, one of the main symptoms I have had to deal with is waking in the morning feeling like I have been run over by a bus during the night.

I have learned many techniques to shake this early a.m. state off to feel a bit better after an half hour of moving around.

Although I used to think there was predominantly an emotional and depression base to this, I now believe there has perhaps all along been a neurological and possibly other (such as gut) related element to those symptoms.

Nutrition over the last few years has improved some symptoms and also being at a stage of life where I can now avoid O for weeks at a time. Not so easy when younger.

Here's to a brighter future for the young guys here anyway :-) 

For the older POISers we might have to be content with the following words on our tombstone "There you are...I told you I was ill". Not sure if that joke will be understood ;-) but I have to laugh anyway, the irony of living a life with a bizarre syndrome  !!  Some days you're positive, some days you're not !
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Re: depression
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2015, 04:57:07 PM »

For the older POISers we might have to be content with the following words on our tombstone "There you are...I told you I was ill". Not sure if that joke will be understood ;-) but I have to laugh anyway, the irony of living a life with a bizarre syndrome  !!  Some days you're positive, some days you're not !

Colm,

Re: "There you are...I told you I was ill" -- I've been to the cemetery where that tombstone is -- in Key West, FL. The tombstone (and the entire Key West cemetery) is a big tourist attraction, and isn't the slightest bit morbid. Key West is very quirky and a lot of fun.

I don't think one has to be "older" to get the drift of that epitaph.

Here's to some good information about this "bizarre syndrome" resulting from the Rutgers study!


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Re: depression
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2015, 12:57:32 AM »
In regards to the depression I have experienced, a lot of it was simply feeling sorry for myself. Each day is a new challenge, and I have to constantly strive to make the best of every situation. This requires getting to a place where I can accept my condition, giving myself permission to make mistakes, and not try to control what happens. I will make mistakes and trying to control what happens (trying to be perfect) only leads to frustration. For me, a lot of the self pity I experienced in the POIS state was from trying to control how people react to my actions (what I say and what I do). Being in the POIS state with a decreased mental capacity, leads to a decrease in the precision of my actions. This caused frustration until I could accept that decrease in precision, and accept the fact that trying to control what people think and how they react is a fantasy. I still have work to do in this regard, but what I have to do is unique to me. What anyone else needs to do to overcome the self pity associated with the POIS state will be unique for that individual.

Keeping supplements at work is a lifesaver and I highly recommend it.

In regards to the fatigue in the morning, I take 20mg of dexamphetamine extended release (Dexedrine) and when I feel it coming on (strangely, for me it is within the first five minutes) I lay on my stomach and move/shake my legs as if I had restless leg syndrome. After about 3-5 minutes of this, I am awake and alert enough to start the day.
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Re: depression
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2015, 11:13:51 AM »
...Keeping supplements at work is a lifesaver and I highly recommend it.


G-man, which supplements do you keep at work? What prompts you to take them?

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Re: depression
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2015, 04:27:50 PM »
G-man, which supplements do you keep at work? What prompts you to take them?

Stef
On the first two days after O, I bring two Ziploc bagies with me each day to work. Each baggie has the supplements in Quantum's PEP, plus niacin and vitamin b6. I take these when the severity of my symptoms starts to increase rapidly. This can happen at random times throughout the day. Taking the supplements fights the symptoms and can head off the sudden increase in the severity.
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Re: depression
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2015, 07:36:46 PM »
G-man, it's great that you experience quick relief from those supplements.

Do you take magnesium?  If so, which type (eg. mag citrate)?

Quantum -- which type of magnesium do you take?

I hope you don't mind my asking -- I find  this very interesting.

Stef

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Re: depression
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2015, 08:51:40 PM »
G-man, it's great that you experience quick relief from those supplements.

Do you take magnesium?  If so, which type (eg. mag citrate)?

Quantum -- which type of magnesium do you take?

I hope you don't mind my asking -- I find  this very interesting.

Stef

Hi Stef,

My favorite source of magnesium is from the Jamieson Brand, one of the best Canadian natural products company, that has high quality standards.  Here is the exact product I am using:  http://www.jamiesonvitamins.com/products/magnesium-100-mg .  If you click on the ingredients tab, you will read that it provides "Elemental Magnesium 100 mg (From a highly absorbable natural magnesium complex source of oxide, citrate, fumarate, malate, succinate)".  I do not have side effects with it. The main side effect with magnesium is diarrhea, usually.  Even if I take 2 tablets of this brand, one to two times a day ( when in POIS), I do not have diarrhea.

My second best, alternate source, are the better known Maglucate tablets, a brand of magnesium gluconate, 500mg per tablet.
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Re: depression
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2015, 08:57:04 PM »
G-man, which supplements do you keep at work? What prompts you to take them?

Stef
On the first two days after O, I bring two Ziploc bagies with me each day to work. Each baggie has the supplements in Quantum's PEP, plus niacin and vitamin b6. I take these when the severity of my symptoms starts to increase rapidly. This can happen at random times throughout the day. Taking the supplements fights the symptoms and can head off the sudden increase in the severity.

Hi, G-man.  Great to hear that your customized version of my supplement combination still works for you. 

My own version still works for me as well, as a one time take before E ( last use a few days ago, ten days after the previous use ).
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Re: depression
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2015, 10:33:12 PM »
G-man, it's great that you experience quick relief from those supplements.

Do you take magnesium?  If so, which type (eg. mag citrate)?
I take MAG 200 from Optimox Corporation. It contains magnesium oxide and p-Aminobenzoic Acid (PABA)
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Re: depression
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2015, 11:30:46 AM »
Thanks, Quantum & G-man, for answering about the magnesium.

Stef