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Re: NORD Interim Report for POIS Study
« Reply #240 on: May 01, 2016, 06:44:54 PM »
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Re: NORD Interim Report for POIS Study
« Reply #241 on: May 01, 2016, 08:54:20 PM »
Do you guys think - in either your laymen or formalized educated POV - that POIS will be 'curable', or for a better suitable word of progressive insights - be treatable by the end of the decade? I'm really looking for at least 2020 to have some line of formalized treatment.
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I guess we are not that rare. The number of forum members are rising. By the way, how many members we have here? I guess Demo has the number.
While I'm seeing the Rutgers study is very slow, I think Dr. Komisauruk is not taking this research seriously, the third report was a joke.
How about alternative medicine, like energy medicine? Do you think they work? After all if science is disappointing then maybe we should go for pseudoscience ;-)

Hi Pentrazemine, and Zeynali,

It is not that Dr Kamisaruk take this study lightly - he must strictly follow the research protocol that has been accepted by NORD before the study began.  Remember that what we see is the public section of the interim report, meaning that NORD's MAC has received much more data and results than what is in this public report we have access to, but these won't be revealed before the final article - like in a movie, they will keep the best punches for the final scene.


My own opinion is that the detailed report of the effects of VNS on POIS and what have been learned from the fMRI will be revealed in the final article only.  I think they will also share in that final article the survey data, analyze them, in more depth than in the 3rd interim report, and they will also present the results of the fMRI, and also if their hypothesis, that POIS may be or may include vagal dystonia, seems correct or not, considering the results they had in the study, and how they interpret those results.  That is pretty much what I expect from the study, with detailed graphs and results for each part, like detailed account of what type of VNS has been used, with what protocol, and what kind of relief was seen in the POIS sufferers who took part in the study, measured effect on HRV, and at what percentage symptoms has been relieved by VNS, and so on, and what type of results have been found in the before/after fMRI, and how they interpret the differences they have seen with this imaging technique, and so on.

Hope this will help everyone to wait until the final article is released, somewhere at the end of the year, but most probably in early 2017.  Even if some hints from the fMRI results or VNS treatments could be given as appetizers in the 4th report in September,  I think the main course will definitively be the final article.

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POIS is a rare condition, so research for it will not go fast.  It is not a disease like cancer, diabetes, depression, or cardiovascular problems, that attracts billions of dollars of research found each years.  Remember that health is a "business" like any other.  Investors want a good ROI (Return on Investment) for the bucks they put in.  If you have the choice between investing in a very rare condition, or investing in a condition that has epidemic proportion, like diabetes, or cancer, what would YOU do with your money?   Same thing for the Government - If you pay for a public network of health services - hospitals, clinics, .... - you will invest funds where they will help the most people you have to provide care for, in order to lower your health system budget.  In many cases, follow the money, and you will find answers to many questions.

However, and that is our chance, their is other kind of "investors" for rare disorders.  First, those who are suffering from this rare disorder, and that is what made this current Rutgers study possible.  Also, their is interest from the part of world-class specialists of a very specific field - in this case, sexual dysfunctions.  If you are a world-class researcher in this field, it may become redundant to make yet another study on premature ejaculation - there are already so many!  There comes a time that you, or some of your PhD candidates, want something fresh, some uncharted territory to explore, and take a chance at becoming the first to make a breakthrough in a rare condition.  That is an "investment" in a career path.  So, prominent figures like Dr Waldinger or Dr Kamisaruk, and the team surrounding them, will be interested in conducting studies about a rare disorder like POIS.

If you feel that this is not enough, don't forget that POIS can benefit from research on other health problems.  MrRaba has already cited research done for CFS/ME,  that could lead to interesting results for POIS.  Personally, all that I have learned about the IDO and TDO enzymes upregulating in immune reactions, that I believe explains a part of what causes POIS, come from millions of dollars of researches done for two "blockbusters" conditions,  cancer and depression.  Those two has attracted many millions of dollars of research money on the study of the kynurenine pathways, something impossible for a rare condition.  Just check the amazing numbers of study about this that can be found on NCBI/PUBMED for that, 7027 full-text journal articles if you type "IDO",   over 4000 if you type "kynurenine".  And this is not a mainstream subject in research for those 2 conditions.  POIS can benefit from what is learned in studies for other conditions, so count on that too.   





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Re: NORD Interim Report for POIS Study
« Reply #242 on: May 01, 2016, 10:36:24 PM »



Thank you, Quantum, for clarifying our progress in POIS research!





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« Reply #243 on: May 02, 2016, 10:20:58 AM »
WOW Quantum. Lots of food for thought! Thanks for the excellent perspective, and one that I think is quite reasonable.

It's hard not to be overly optimistic, but I think your "summary" is down to Earth yet consoling.

I feel that whatever the outcome, light will have to have been shed on this very real, although potentially rare disorder by this study and the degree of expertise, vision and understanding that Dr. Komisuruk posseses.

Even if it is nothing as he may have  originally beleived, I know that his eyes will have been well opened to this disorder by this study.

I mentioned "potentially rare disorder" above. It's my beleif that it is much more prevelent than is thought. I know that it took me several years to understand that sex was effecting my state of health. I know there are many of us who required severl years to understand that what we feel after sex is not normal.

I believe that many people who suffer from depression for instance may well be triggered by orgasm without really knowing it. There may be many of us who have a low level version of POIS that is insidiously present but never recognized. If something like that should come to light, who knows, we may not be so rare after all.... That also could change our status in the "medical business".

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Re: NORD Interim Report for POIS Study
« Reply #244 on: May 02, 2016, 11:13:14 AM »



You're right, Daveman!

1. We - (and our doctors!) - WILL all understand POIS better - regardless of study outcome

2. It took me - and, I'm sure, *many* other POISers - YEARS to connect the dots between sex-and-symptoms

3. Depression - for me & others here - was thought only treatable/curable with psychiatry and psych meds -- until we realized that - sometimes - sex was the culprit!


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Re: NORD Interim Report for POIS Study
« Reply #245 on: May 06, 2016, 02:09:27 PM »
The report was obviously not so exiting for most but I trust that dr. Komisaruk, prof. Nan Wise and colleagues are working hard and progressing behind the scenes. After all the final report is what really counts and probably will also take much longer than expected before being published.

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« Reply #246 on: May 06, 2016, 03:48:02 PM »
Thanks for your observation, less_fogged!
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Re: NORD Interim Report for POIS Study
« Reply #247 on: May 07, 2016, 01:05:05 AM »
Very disappointing! :'( May I know the estimated release date of the movie (final report)?

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Re: NORD Interim Report for POIS Study
« Reply #248 on: May 07, 2016, 10:27:37 AM »


"The movie"! Haha
Raj, you're right, I liked the book better! ;D

Report 4 is due September 18, 2016

Publication date? After Report 4...


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Re: NORD Interim Report for POIS Study
« Reply #249 on: May 07, 2016, 11:45:20 AM »



The #1 worst symptom of POIS, in my humble opinion:


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« Reply #250 on: May 07, 2016, 01:11:59 PM »


"The movie"! Haha
Raj, you're right, I liked the book better! ;D

Report 4 is due September 18, 2016

Publication date? After Report 4...

Hey Demo,
Can we get a lead time from Report 4 to publication from the Rutgers team?
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« Reply #251 on: May 07, 2016, 11:40:45 PM »


"The movie"! Haha
Raj, you're right, I liked the book better! ;D

Report 4 is due September 18, 2016

Publication date? After Report 4...

Hey Demo,
Can we get a lead time from Report 4 to publication from the Rutgers team?
Thanks FB

I don't think it's possible to predict when any one publication will accept/reject publishing the study.

Hopefully in early 2017.

The appeal to a publisher? POIS is still relatively obscure, but Dr Komisaruk has an excellent reputation.


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Re: NORD Interim Report for POIS Study
« Reply #252 on: May 09, 2016, 01:05:04 AM »
[from Dr Komisaruk:]..."It suggests that procedures designed to reduce vagal tone may be effective in counteracting or preventing POIS symptoms."
Hopeful point and we must be sure he didn't write this for nothing.
I'm sure he wrote this intentionally.

It has been his main study thesis.

To me, it is exciting that Dr Komisaruk - a world renowned scientist and orgasm expert - has a hypothesis already as to what may cure or help POIS!



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« Reply #253 on: May 09, 2016, 09:53:17 AM »


Folks, that time of year comes again when we need to muster funds for the hosting service.  It is $250/yr. So we need 5 people (4 plus me) to put $50 each, or some such combination.  More people,  less per person.

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« Reply #254 on: May 09, 2016, 10:16:06 AM »



Folks, that time of year comes again when we need to muster funds for the hosting service.  It is $250/yr.

Wow. I'm shocked about the differences in price in different countries. A few month ago I got a one year hosting service in Iran with the cost about $1. And the service is good. You can visit my website: www.rayanebartar.ir

I wonder if it's possible to host POIScenter, from an Iranian company, so we pay a dollar or two, and I can do that.
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« Reply #255 on: May 09, 2016, 12:10:59 PM »
Thanks, zeynali!

I will ask Daveman.


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« Reply #256 on: May 09, 2016, 12:47:39 PM »
Thanks, zeynali!

I will ask Daveman.

You're welcome.

I searched "Free Web Hosting" on Google and I found out that there are many free or cheap web hosting services all around the world. Although I don't know if they are reliable. I asked on Quora, and I'm reading answers.

Also someone on Quora recommended this: https://hostripples.com/
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« Reply #257 on: May 09, 2016, 04:45:40 PM »


zeynali, Daveman and I chatted about your post and we decided:

"Thanks, zeynali, but a change isn't as easy as just changing (SEO and all).

It should all be worth changing in the long run, but perhaps we should prepare for a change before next year's renewal."

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« Reply #258 on: May 09, 2016, 04:49:36 PM »


Folks, that time of year comes again when we need to muster funds for the hosting service.  It is $250/yr. So we need 5 people (4 plus me) to put $50 each, or some such combination.  More people,  less per person.

From Daveman: "It has to be paid in one payment,  so the cleanest is each donor deposits  to my PayPal account and I pay the hosting service. So let's see first if we can muster up enough between us, and then once we have the smount required I'll PM the account info to those generous donors. And pay the bill."

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Just post "I'm in" and Daveman will PM you the details.

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Re: NORD Interim Report for POIS Study
« Reply #259 on: May 09, 2016, 04:50:52 PM »
Thanks, Colm!
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