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Re: Male Contraceptive Methods
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2011, 03:14:01 PM »
This data is very important, even though you weren't previously producing sperm.

If we take into consideration what Lauracostis says, perhaps we can STILL expect an improvement!!

And even if NOT, it's hope for many, many more who can now look to this path as one of relief!

All that remains, is to know exactly why. We could assume that the "T" stopped sperm, so therefore stopped the auto-immune process. But, LC's hypothesis is so temptingly interesting, it works so well as a "one solution fits all" theory.

But I guess, it IS only day 1 of the trial, and there's so much more to figure out!

How exciting!!! Have to go pee!
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« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2011, 05:21:38 PM »

How exciting!!! Have to go pee!


I have a sterilized cup from the lab I can sell ya! (Never know, you might want to have the urine analyzed by those Chilean bare-chested nurses ;D)
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Re: Male Contraceptive Methods
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2011, 06:54:24 PM »
Sorry, don't need the cup, they take the sample directly!! :o
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Re: Male Contraceptive Methods
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2011, 05:53:24 AM »
I find it fascinating that you've been producing no sperm, Demo. I think this fact could be further evidence that ejaculation of sperm and semen is the cause of POIS and not the chemical releases during orgasm.

However the cause could still be that POIS is caused by the loss of energy from diverting the body's resources towards sperm/semen production and since your body no longer has to spend energy/resources making sperm this is why you may feel better. But if this was true then it seems many more people would have POIS I suppose...
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« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2011, 01:16:52 PM »

I find it fascinating that you've been producing no sperm, Demo.


Me, too, VM!

Here are some specific results:


Demo, even though your doctor said you have no sperm, try and see if you can get an actual count(number).  No sperm may just mean you barely have any sperm compared to a regular male.


OK, Laurac, you asked for it! [:)] Directly from The Lab:

Sperm Concentration         0.00000  mill/mL
         Total Sperm                    million
Total motile sperm             0.0000   million
Total progressive                       million

Ejaculate volume                 4.80    mL


I have more data if you want (seminal pH, sperm motility, etc.)
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Re: Male Contraceptive Methods
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2011, 01:36:11 PM »

Demo T/P Update


Today is Day 3 of T/P and I woke up with an unusually high libido! Wrote to endo, asking if it's a coincidence, placebo, or a real side effect.

My POIS was much better after the lab, but I attribute that to placebo. Whenever I am positively emotionally-charged about something, POIS is always better. My endo says that could also be hormonal as well.
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TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

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« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2011, 09:11:34 PM »
demo  i thought you increased your testosterone to 20mg from 15 mg, this might be why your libido went up.

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« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2011, 12:53:06 PM »
CC, I increase it to 20-30mg on Day Zero only. My normal dose is still 15mg daily.
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Re: Male Contraceptive Methods
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2011, 12:53:50 PM »

Demo T/P Update Day 5


I woke up nauseous, tired, with a strange libidinous-sensation, so I'm not taking norethindrone (the P in T/P) today. That's all for now with this experiment.
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« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2011, 02:18:33 PM »

Demo T/P Update Day 5 - Final


POIS appears to be 99% symptom-free today, but I'm suspicious of the placebo effect.

Thank you everyone for "participating" with me in this 'adventure'. I probably wouldn't have attempted it without your support (and of course my wonderful endocrinologist's).

edit - discontinuing T/P, as explained earlier (side effects).
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TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

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« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2011, 01:00:49 PM »
I find it fascinating that you've been producing no sperm, Demo. I think this fact could be further evidence that ejaculation of sperm and semen is the cause of POIS and not the chemical releases during orgasm.

However the cause could still be that POIS is caused by the loss of energy from diverting the body's resources towards sperm/semen production and since your body no longer has to spend energy/resources making sperm this is why you may feel better. But if this was true then it seems many more people would have POIS I suppose...

Hi Vincent, I'm new to the forum, also posted to the NS POIS forum.  Had POIS for 7 years for a long time thought the nutritional stuff was the culprit.  Found this interesting article on semen simulants and their nutritional
http://www.andrologyjournal.org/cgi/content/full/26/4/459

I did some back of the envelope calculations and I think a normal volume of semen from ejaculation (3.4mL) had < 1% of your daily recommended allowance of electrolytes like Ca, Cl, Na, K etc.  The highest was Zinc at 5% daily allowance.  Didn't do the calculation for other components, but the takeaway is that it doesn't require that much nutrition to produce semen. 

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Re: Male Contraceptive Methods
« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2011, 01:22:53 PM »
Hi Willem,

Welcome to the SMF forum. Our attempt to utilize full forum capabilities to permit a  more diverse "stage" for conversation while allowing for more focus for those who wish to get serious.

Have appreciated your input already in the NSF forum.

Although this thread deals more with componets of semen that could cause allergic /auto-immune reactions. You've made quite a valid point, and an interesting one, because there are theories too that have shown correlation between sperm supply recovery time and the duration of the average POIS session. These theories point more to hormonal defficiencies and or interactions as being the culprits, rather than vitamin-mineral uptake-difficiency balances.

It IS very complex and considerations at any level need to take into account parallel influences. This had lead to many quite discouraging test results with their accompanyimg disappointments.

In other areas of this forum we also discuss the effects of various food elements, where these may not be crucial in the cause of POIS, they can be so in their effect over symptoms.

So, lots of fun.... with POIS, we have to try to find it somewhere!

WITHOUT RESEARCH THERE WILL BE NO CURE!
Sessions 5 to 9 days, mostly Flu-like, joints, digestion problems, light cognitive.
Niacin has changed my lif though, now 1 day MAX.
Somewhere in this interaction with Niacin is the answer!

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« Reply #32 on: April 22, 2011, 05:38:57 AM »
Well done for your efforts Demo - you have made another excellent contribution to our knowledge of POIS  :)

It's interesting that we both gave up taking our medication (in my case, Silodosin) because of extreme fatigue - in my case, POIS was preferable to feeling exhausted all the time! Hopefully our experiments are giving ideas to interested parties (medical researchers) - maybe they can use their expertise to piece together the evidence even if we can't.


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« Reply #33 on: April 22, 2011, 10:48:25 AM »
Well done for your efforts Demo - you have made another excellent contribution to our knowledge of POIS  :)

It's interesting that we both gave up taking our medication (in my case, Silodosin) because of extreme fatigue - in my case, POIS was preferable to feeling exhausted all the time! Hopefully our experiments are giving ideas to interested parties (medical researchers) - maybe they can use their expertise to piece together the evidence even if we can't.



And besides, we have proven to be some of the best medical researchers around. Maybe not for training, but in spite of not having it, maybe not for money, but inspite of not having it, but for committment!

We have by no means been beaten (not that you imply such), but are demonstrating that in the face of setbacks, we can regroup and reorganize our efforts.

We still are capable of reacting rapidly, it may take longer because our data lacks strong bases and cross-checks, but we shorten that by being innovative and open to possibilities, willing to do what it takes.....

The researchers don't have our urgency.

Both the Silodosin exercises and this P/T exercise still shed hope, and have both taken steps in a real direction.... whatever that may end up being.

So thanks to everyone who makes these contributions, they are NOT in vain.

I only hope we can grow in our preparation fo new experiments, and never become disillusioned, to keep seeking the answer.

WITHOUT RESEARCH THERE WILL BE NO CURE!
Sessions 5 to 9 days, mostly Flu-like, joints, digestion problems, light cognitive.
Niacin has changed my lif though, now 1 day MAX.
Somewhere in this interaction with Niacin is the answer!

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« Reply #34 on: April 24, 2011, 01:18:05 PM »
Well done for your efforts Demo - you have made another excellent contribution to our knowledge of POIS  :)

It's interesting that we both gave up taking our medication (in my case, Silodosin) because of extreme fatigue - in my case, POIS was preferable to feeling exhausted all the time! Hopefully our experiments are giving ideas to interested parties (medical researchers) - maybe they can use their expertise to piece together the evidence even if we can't.



Thanks, hurray! Yes, we kick-started a couple things that I'm sure will be taken up by other POIS experimenters and/or researchers!
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« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2011, 01:30:50 PM »
Well done for your efforts Demo - you have made another excellent contribution to our knowledge of POIS  :)

It's interesting that we both gave up taking our medication (in my case, Silodosin) because of extreme fatigue - in my case, POIS was preferable to feeling exhausted all the time! Hopefully our experiments are giving ideas to interested parties (medical researchers) - maybe they can use their expertise to piece together the evidence even if we can't.



And besides, we have proven to be some of the best medical researchers around. Maybe not for training, but in spite of not having it, maybe not for money, but inspite of not having it, but for committment!

We have by no means been beaten (not that you imply such), but are demonstrating that in the face of setbacks, we can regroup and reorganize our efforts.

We still are capable of reacting rapidly, it may take longer because our data lacks strong bases and cross-checks, but we shorten that by being innovative and open to possibilities, willing to do what it takes.....

The researchers don't have our urgency.

Both the Silodosin exercises and this P/T exercise still shed hope, and have both taken steps in a real direction.... whatever that may end up being.

So thanks to everyone who makes these contributions, they are NOT in vain.

I only hope we can grow in our preparation fo new experiments, and never become disillusioned, to keep seeking the answer.



I'm so glad you wrote that. POISers sometimes forget that we (the POIS-sufferer-community) have accumulated VASTLY more knowledge and experience in these forums than any single medical expert(s) group "out there"!!! What we still need is a medically sophisticated research team who is willing to study ALL the material that we have gathered over these last  4+ years - here and at NSF.
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« Reply #36 on: April 26, 2011, 12:05:48 PM »
In this way, i contacted a biologist in France who is willing to test/make hypothesis/and try to understand the illness better  :) he is a friend of my dentist (also a friend) I hope he will know more about our conditions !
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« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2011, 06:19:47 AM »
Hi Habibou,

If you live near Paris, you might want to get in touch with Francois Giuliano, Professor of Therapeutics at the Faculty of Medicine Paris Ouest and Urologist at the hospital in Garches Pointcaré Raymond.

104, boulevard Raymond-Poincaré 104, boulevard Raymond-Poincaré
92 GARCHES 92 GARCHES  
Tel: 0147107900  

He was one of the 5 attendees specialising in men's sexual disorders at the 13th Congress of The European Society For Sexual Medicine, November 14-17, 2010, Malaga Spain, and he obviously knows Dr Waldinger and is no doubt aware of his work.
http://www.essm.org/fileadmin/user_upload/medien/download/pdf/Programms/ESSM_Final_Program.pdf

Men's sexual health - sexual disorders

Francois Giuliano, France  Nicolae Calomfirescu, Romania  Juza Chen, Israel  Emmanuele Jannini, Italy  Marcel Waldinger, The Netherlands

Good luck with your new doctor, hope he can help you with your POIS :)














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« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2011, 08:22:48 AM »
hurray, I  put some of this information in the collaborator's database. any more you might have would be appreciated.
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WITHOUT RESEARCH THERE WILL BE NO CURE!
Sessions 5 to 9 days, mostly Flu-like, joints, digestion problems, light cognitive.
Niacin has changed my lif though, now 1 day MAX.
Somewhere in this interaction with Niacin is the answer!

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« Reply #39 on: April 28, 2011, 12:31:07 PM »
hurray, I  put some of this information in the collaborator's database. any more you might have would be appreciated.

not working the one you gave me for lab websites not working either
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