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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #500 on: April 05, 2020, 10:03:25 PM »

Doesn't hcg continue sperm production for those taking exogenous T?


Perhaps. Too late for me, though :)
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10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #501 on: April 05, 2020, 10:21:57 PM »
Hey Demografx! Did you ever used accutane(isotretinoin) in your life???
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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #502 on: April 05, 2020, 10:30:25 PM »
No, never used.

Abbasmuzaffar, welcome to the forum!


« Last Edit: April 06, 2020, 12:33:19 AM by demografx »
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TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #503 on: April 07, 2020, 10:31:07 AM »
Demografx: What were your testosterone levels before starting trt( testosterone replacement therapy)???
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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #504 on: April 07, 2020, 09:51:16 PM »
Abbasmuzaffar, I started TRT for POIS 10 years ago, but I did not keep records. Both Total T and Free T were significantly low.
« Last Edit: April 08, 2020, 11:02:28 AM by demografx »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #505 on: April 08, 2020, 12:21:41 AM »


This is what my TRT POIS therapy looks like. Each and every evening (365 days/year) I place 2mg patches - -
that you see in the photo above - - on my upper arms and/or thighs. When POIS attacks me, I increase the dosage.

For the 10 years I’ve been doing this, it’s been with a doctor’s prescription and supervision, either an endocrinologist or primary care physician.

Be careful, I lost my sperm count, probably because of my POIS therapy.

My “Day Zero of POIS” (when symptom onset begins) started this morning (April 7, 2020) at 3:30 AM. I immediately applied 4 TRT patches (up to 4X my usual dose), took 2 Benadryl (50mg) and slept/rested till 6pm tonight! Never slept/rested that long. Ever!

It’s now 10:19 PM.

No POIS symptoms.

Just groggy :)

Sleep/rest is a POWERFUL POIS antidote for me!
« Last Edit: April 08, 2020, 11:05:23 AM by demografx »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #506 on: April 15, 2020, 10:45:48 PM »
Cross-posted from “Successful hCG treatment for POIS?”
https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3267.msg33983#msg33983

Correspondence between “Pyropeach” (very early forum Thought Leader) & me.

Today

Hi Demo,

Just saw the latest published paper entitled: Successful treatment of POIS with human chronic gonadotropin.  Demo, this is beyond amazing.  The description of the symptoms are nearly an exact match to my own. I’ve recently been taking Maca supplements that claim to boost T levels, and it has been working moderately well for the past few months. Also discovered there is a small cyst on my pituitary gland, which produces hCG mentioned in the paper.   Sorry for rambling, I’m just excited that this may really be the cure. 

Is there anyway I could try this treatment? How did you convince your doctor to administer T?

Hope you’re well with all the corona going around.



-Pyro

Btw - how are things at the old forum?


[To Pyropeach]

Great to hear from you!

My T was low, so no prob qualifying for TRT!

Can I post your letter + my reply?

ps - “old forum” meaning the current one POISCenter.com or the old/old one at naked science forum?



Demo,

My last blood test showed my T level as “normal”, so the doctors here may not give me the treatment, will have to think more how to approach this. 

Yes, by all means! You got my 100% approval to post our correspondence.  I might also mention that bodybuilding has also had a positive affect on the symptoms (I gained 40 lbs in muscle); pumping iron and lots of rare steak increases T, needless to say.

Ah yes, I mean the current one at POISCenter…time has just flown by since the naked science forum days…


-Pyro

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From February 14, 2020



I’m near but not that near, LA is a good 7 hour drive for me. Will definitely try to get more details about the [POIS Research] study.

Overall this is great news :)

-Pyro
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TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #507 on: April 16, 2020, 05:27:25 PM »
Cross-posted from https://tinyurl.com/y7slls8c

Can’t vouch for this service (never tried it & no one recommended them to me), but sounds intriguing!

Their advertising claim: “Chat with on-call Endocrinologists in minutes, 24/7...
Unlimited chats – $5 one-week trial membership. Cancel anytime”
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10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #508 on: April 21, 2020, 05:20:00 PM »
If you’ve been following my recent POIS treatment strategy of “extra” TRT & Benadryl at POIS onset...today (Day Zero) I took one-fourth the dose of Benadryl - - 12.5mg (but still extra TRT - 8mg Androderm), I slept far less, and feel much better. So far today:  no mild POIS symptoms and far less grogginess.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2020, 07:17:29 PM by demografx »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #509 on: April 30, 2020, 09:58:45 AM »
At POIS onset, I went back to 2 Benadryl this time (4x my usual dose!). Plus 4 TRT (also 4x my normal dose!) I slept a lot. No POIS. But groggy as hell from the Benadryl and “oversleeping”.

Any suggestions?
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10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #510 on: April 30, 2020, 01:18:49 PM »

At POIS onset, I went back to 2 Benadryl this time (4x my usual dose!). Plus 4 TRT (also 4x my normal dose!) I slept a lot. No POIS. But groggy as hell from the Benadryl and “oversleeping”.

Any suggestions?


Have you tried a non drowsy anthihistamine. 
They say zyrtec is non drowsy, but it makes me sleep much longer but its grogginess effects not as bad as benadryl.
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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #511 on: April 30, 2020, 10:42:32 PM »
Thanks, CP2, sounds promising!

Will try it!
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TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #512 on: May 20, 2020, 06:35:39 PM »
After a lifetime (many decades) of POIS struggle, I think I finally landed a “90%+ cure” formula.
For myself. No idea if/how this will work for other POISers.

• abstinence (19 days this time)
• Heavy TRT @ POIS onset   (8mg Androderm this time vs. 2mg to 4mg/out-of-POIS)
• Heavy Benadryl @ POIS onset (100mg [50am/50pm] this time vs. 12.5mg/out-of-POIS)
• “Extra” sleep (Benadryl-induced) @ POIS onset to “ride out” early symptom onset
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10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #513 on: May 21, 2020, 01:13:04 PM »
Whoops! Day 1: slightly delayed reaction. Took more Benadryl & more TRT. Yesterday (Day Zero) was an unusually POIS-free/good day. 90%+ is now less ;D ;D
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10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #514 on: May 21, 2020, 01:24:59 PM »
That's great news Demo!! Well done on finding a winning formula.



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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #515 on: May 21, 2020, 06:08:41 PM »
Thank you, hurray.
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TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #516 on: May 21, 2020, 09:01:27 PM »

At POIS onset, I went back to 2 Benadryl this time (4x my usual dose!). Plus 4 TRT (also 4x my normal dose!) I slept a lot. No POIS. But groggy as hell from the Benadryl and “oversleeping”.

Any suggestions?


Have you tried a non drowsy anthihistamine. 
They say zyrtec is non drowsy, but it makes me sleep much longer but its grogginess effects not as bad as benadryl.

Yes! I might be “POIS-cured” but I’m groggy as hell! CP2, if Zyrtec is non-drowsy then I might not sleep? “Extra” sleep is important to my protocol.
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #517 on: May 22, 2020, 04:33:29 PM »

At POIS onset, I went back to 2 Benadryl this time (4x my usual dose!). Plus 4 TRT (also 4x my normal dose!) I slept a lot. No POIS. But groggy as hell from the Benadryl and “oversleeping”.

Any suggestions?


Have you tried a non drowsy anthihistamine. 
They say zyrtec is non drowsy, but it makes me sleep much longer but its grogginess effects not as bad as benadryl.

Yes! I might be “POIS-cured” but I’m groggy as hell! CP2, if Zyrtec is non-drowsy then I might not sleep? “Extra” sleep is important to my protocol.

You can try the experiment about the time you normally go to sleep. I know zyrtec makes my normal sleep longer and more intense(dreams are more vivid).   One of the common side effects of Zyrtec is drowsiness.
There is also melatonin , it doesn't make me sleep as much benadryl, the grogginess feeling is way less.
Have you experimented to see if sleep or the antihistamine effect of benadryl that is actually helping you.

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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #518 on: May 22, 2020, 05:59:09 PM »
Thanks, CP2!

It’s the sleep that helps the most. Even after a good night’s sleep, if POIS onset begins, it makes me need to sleep even MORE to have a curative effect. I don’t believe the antihistamine component helps at all!
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10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #519 on: June 02, 2020, 01:22:12 PM »
Thanks, CP2!

It’s the sleep that helps the most. Even after a good night’s sleep, if POIS onset begins, it makes me need to sleep even MORE to have a curative effect. I don’t believe the antihistamine component helps at all!

Yesterday was POIS Day Zero (symptom onset), same extra-TRT-and-Benadryl protocol. I was a bit groggy, but POIS-symptom-free.

Today, I feel fine
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business