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« #420 : October 07, 2019, 01:41:42 AM »

Quantum (and others who wish to reply), I’ve been thinking of stopping TRT for a while, because it increases libido (as Quantum pointed out to me privately). And I think we all know what happens with POIS frequency when libido increases ;D

My past primary care physician (I have a brand new one now) said “there is no withdrawal from TRT”.

I’ve been on TRT-for-POIS for 10 years now and I’m curious whether my body, brain, mind and emotions have ‘normalized’ to the point where no-TRT will not necessarily plunge me into the same horror as 10 years ago.

Quantum, do you see a downside? (If the horrors come back, I assume that I could simply get back on TRT).

Thank you!
« : October 07, 2019, 06:55:21 AM demografx »

10 years of major POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks associated with it.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business.
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« #421 : October 07, 2019, 02:53:09 PM »

Quantum (and others who wish to reply), I’ve been thinking of stopping TRT for a while, because it increases libido (as Quantum pointed out to me privately). And I think we all know what happens with POIS frequency when libido increases ;D

My past primary care physician (I have a brand new one now) said “there is no withdrawal from TRT”.

I’ve been on TRT-for-POIS for 10 years now and I’m curious whether my body, brain, mind and emotions have ‘normalized’ to the point where no-TRT will not necessarily plunge me into the same horror as 10 years ago.

Quantum, do you see a downside? (If the horrors come back, I assume that I could simply get back on TRT).

Thank you!

With the increased libido from testosterone can  you still live an almost pois free life.
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« #422 : October 07, 2019, 11:06:04 PM »


With the increased libido from testosterone can  you still live an almost pois free life.


Not easily! That’s why I’m thinking of experimenting with stopping TRT for a while.
« : October 08, 2019, 11:36:26 PM demografx »

10 years of major POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks associated with it.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business.
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« #423 : October 08, 2019, 05:27:59 PM »


...can  you still live an almost pois free life?


CP2, these days I’m not so sure about the “almost POIS free life” description. On Day Zero (POIS onset) and Day One I’m knocked out with extra TRT plus Benadryl. I feel “ok” but pretty groggy from all the extra sleep to minimize POIS symptoms. Plus lately I’ve noticed that I might feel “ok” on Day Zero and Day One, but...my personality changes. Sometimes? Hard to evaluate objectively!  For example, on my last round of POIS, in early Days I had a blowout argument with one of my sons. Not sure I would’ve reacted the same way in later days, e.g., in Days 3-4+

Anyway, I no longer suffer the 4-day POIS Horror Shows that I experienced 10 years ago. Plus, I’ve “aged into” no-NE’s. A blessing!
« : October 08, 2019, 09:10:55 PM demografx »

10 years of major POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks associated with it.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business.
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« #424 : October 09, 2019, 11:35:13 AM »

Quantum (and others who wish to reply), I’ve been thinking of stopping TRT for a while, because it increases libido (as Quantum pointed out to me privately). And I think we all know what happens with POIS frequency when libido increases ;D

My past primary care physician (I have a brand new one now) said “there is no withdrawal from TRT”.

I’ve been on TRT-for-POIS for 10 years now and I’m curious whether my body, brain, mind and emotions have ‘normalized’ to the point where no-TRT will not necessarily plunge me into the same horror as 10 years ago.

Quantum, do you see a downside? (If the horrors come back, I assume that I could simply get back on TRT).

Thank you!

Hi Demo,

It would worth a try, in my opinion.  Like I have said to you in private, TRT increases libido for sure, and this is no good for when we have POIS.

However, I do not agree with your MD that there is no withdrawal ( but, as you know, the opinions expressed here are not intended to replace medical advice and you will have to discuss it with a health professional).  You have been taking TRT for 10 years, so you own, endogenous production of testosterone is shut down for years.  If you stop at once, it will not revive instantly, and we need at least some testosterone in our body.  A progressive tapering of the dose is much more preferable, and you should discuss this with your specialist or primary care physician.

See https://www.nexelmedical.com/testosterone-therapy/can-you-stop-testosterone-replacement-therapy/ , it is a medical clinic suggesting progressive tapering to avoid emotional and physical sympoms.

The withdrawal for TRT is not as important as what someone may get from drigs acting on the central nervous system, like antidepressant, but they are to be considered as a possibility ( you will for sure read some horror stories on the net, but that's not the norm....).

Note that if someone stops could turkey, the possible emotional and physical symptoms can take some time to appear, when all T will have been eliminated from the body  ( there is a delay).   

A very slow tapering on several weeks or a few months would greatly help to manage any "surprise".
« : October 09, 2019, 11:40:10 AM Quantum »

You are 100% responsible for what you do with anything I post on this forum and of any consequence it could have for you.  Forum rule: ""Do not use POISCenter as a substitute for, or to give, medical advice" Read the remaining part at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1.msg10259#msg10259
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« #425 : October 09, 2019, 04:22:55 PM »


The withdrawal for TRT is not as important as what someone may get from drugs acting on the central nervous system, like antidepressant, but they are to be considered as a possibility ( you will for sure read some horror stories on the net, but that's not the norm....).


This reminds me: I’m on antidepressant Lexapro, so that might mitigate withdrawal symptoms.

ps - my past primary care physician comment about “no-withdrawal” was made - hastily - in a busy hallway while he was getting ready for his next patient. So there’s easily room for misunderstanding - - which makes me appreciate your considered reply even more. The same doctor also made a serious near-fatal misdiagnosis of another condition I had. He admitted the error. I didn’t sue, I just switched MD’s. World-famous doctor! But that doesn’t always guarantee great care! Everyone makes mistakes.
« : October 10, 2019, 01:14:46 AM demografx »

10 years of major POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks associated with it.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business.
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« #426 : October 09, 2019, 04:28:42 PM »

Quantum, T H A N K   Y O U   very much!

This forum truly changed dramatically for the best under your moderation, administration and leadership!

My heartfelt congratulations,
Demo
« : October 13, 2019, 06:41:41 AM demografx »

10 years of major POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks associated with it.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business.
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« #427 : October 09, 2019, 05:19:52 PM »

Quantum (and others who wish to reply), I’ve been thinking of stopping TRT for a while, because it increases libido (as Quantum pointed out to me privately). And I think we all know what happens with POIS frequency when libido increases ;D

My past primary care physician (I have a brand new one now) said “there is no withdrawal from TRT”.

I’ve been on TRT-for-POIS for 10 years now and I’m curious whether my body, brain, mind and emotions have ‘normalized’ to the point where no-TRT will not necessarily plunge me into the same horror as 10 years ago.

Quantum, do you see a downside? (If the horrors come back, I assume that I could simply get back on TRT).

Thank you!

Hi Demo,

It would worth a try, in my opinion.  Like I have said to you in private, TRT increases libido for sure, and this is no good for when we have POIS.

However, I do not agree with your MD that there is no withdrawal ( but, as you know, the opinions expressed here are not intended to replace medical advice and you will have to discuss it with a health professional).  You have been taking TRT for 10 years, so you own, endogenous production of testosterone is shut down for years.  If you stop at once, it will not revive instantly, and we need at least some testosterone in our body.  A progressive tapering of the dose is much more preferable, and you should discuss this with your specialist or primary care physician.

See https://www.nexelmedical.com/testosterone-therapy/can-you-stop-testosterone-replacement-therapy/ , it is a medical clinic suggesting progressive tapering to avoid emotional and physical sympoms.

The withdrawal for TRT is not as important as what someone may get from drigs acting on the central nervous system, like antidepressant, but they are to be considered as a possibility ( you will for sure read some horror stories on the net, but that's not the norm....).

Note that if someone stops could turkey, the possible emotional and physical symptoms can take some time to appear, when all T will have been eliminated from the body  ( there is a delay).   

A very slow tapering on several weeks or a few months would greatly help to manage any "surprise".

It will be a good time to try other remedies to see what works for you.
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« #428 : October 09, 2019, 05:59:50 PM »

CP2, excellent idea!

10 years of major POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks associated with it.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business.
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« #429 : October 11, 2019, 09:37:15 PM »


Quantum, T H A N K   Y O U   very much!

This forum truly changed dramatically for the best under your moderation, administration and leadership!

My heartfelt congratulations,
Demo

Thank you , Demo !
« : October 13, 2019, 06:41:05 AM demografx »

You are 100% responsible for what you do with anything I post on this forum and of any consequence it could have for you.  Forum rule: ""Do not use POISCenter as a substitute for, or to give, medical advice" Read the remaining part at http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=1.msg10259#msg10259
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