Testosterone

[Vandemolen]

Thank you for keeping the priority on...POIS.

I am in a really bad shape. Never had such a bad health. My libido is zero. So I do not think about sex. I only sleep 4 hours a day. I have a lot of strange symptoms, The good thing about TRT is that it could help me to get better and help me against POIS. So double succes.

[demografx]

Thank you for continuing to put the forum-posting
emphasis on the latter (POIS)!

[demografx]

I think TRT can benefit SOME poisers with normal testosterone levels. This needs to be tested under controlled conditions. But ***please*** do not interpret this as my advice to ANYONE

From another thread:

I  convinced my first urologist about POIS and he gave me [testosterone] injections.



Here’s the full story. Many years ago, desperate about my POIS, I made many contacts, sex experts on Larry King Live, etc. at that time, and I contacted a Czech sexologist, Dr Petr Weiss, by telephone, about my POIS and he seemed to know EXACTLY what was wrong with me! He said, he actually thundered over the phone “You need testosterone!” I thought, ‘is this guy a quack?’ (He didn’t ask about my T-levels!) but...I was desperate...so I went to my urologist, and I had normal T-levels (the lab also mis-labeled me as female!!) but I said to him (the urologist), “Look, I know all about POIS! (I had the confidence instilled in me by Dr Weiss) And I...need...testosterone!!”. So he gave me injections. At first they helped but then stopped working. A few years later (2008), this forum convinced me POIS was a hormonal issue, and a Harvard PhD. biochemist friend who pioneered some AIDS treatments, convinced me that I should see a University-based endocrinologist (he said universities are more research oriented and might be more sympathetic to the poorly-understood POIS). So I did that, had a full range of hormone tests done, plus a brain scan, and was tested with low-FREE-T, diagnosed with hypogonadism, and was convinced to use testosterone patches or cream - not injections - because they are more in sync with the way the body naturally manufactures testosterone, on a smoother 24/7 basis rather than “spiking” in and out of the system, which is what injections do, according to this endo. You can read the rest of my profile story below

[Samir]

Has anyone tried the General Nutrition Center supplement Nugenix?  It is supposed to help free testosterone, which seems to be the root of the cause of my pois.

[demografx]

GNC is a good company, but you should ask a doctor.
Demo

[fernab]

I am thinking right now, that hormonal imbalance could be the root cause for POIS. And that this hormonal imbalance, as a possible consequence....may afect indirectly nervous and inmune systems....causing a lot of different symptoms and problems....and of course, not being exactly the same for each Poiser...

The reason for thinking about this is because I am strongly suspecting that what caused me the hormonal imbalance was the fact that I was taking finasteride for 2 years ... and shortly after letting it, I started to notice problems that I never had before .... I was always someone healthy and athletic ......

And also, I see that some Poisers treating themselves hormonally (with TRT) find relief ... (as is your own case Demo) ....

Of course this is just an hypothesis that I'm thinking right now.... but that I know I have to try to talk to a good endocrine!

As I am also reading that there is a Syndrome called PFS (Post Finasteride Syndrome).... That is able to cause nervous system damages and inmune systems Disorders..... That being said by an neuroendocrinologist from the University of Milano (Roberto Melcangi, PhD, Head of Neuroendocrinology, Department of Pharmacological and Biomolecular Sciences
University of Milano from Italy....).

[demografx]

Excellent post, fernab!

(I’m reading and typing this inflight, enroute to Tennessee )

Best wishes to everyone,
Demo

[Samir]

GNC is a good company, but you should ask a doctor.
Demo

The doctors in our area are worthless.  I know more about pois than they do.  I also know what seems to work for me--foods and supplements that help testosterone production.  If anyone has had any experiences with any supplements that help with this besides the usual flaxseed, fenugreek, fish oil, krill oils, etc, I'd be highly interested.

[fernab]

GNC is a good company, but you should ask a doctor.
Demo

The doctors in our area are worthless.  I know more about pois than they do.  I also know what seems to work for me--foods and supplements that help testosterone production.  If anyone has had any experiences with any supplements that help with this besides the usual flaxseed, fenugreek, fish oil, krill oils, etc, I'd be highly interested.

Hi Samir,

You are right.

The vast majority of doctors don't have any idea about POIS.

But here in general we are not doctors also.

Even if doctors don't know anything about POIS. One can ask them to help you the way you could take something. Just to have a minimal control.

It's advisable in any case to do it like this....

Thank you for sharing this information and knowledge that could be useful for anyone willing to take it with the supervision of a doctor.

[demografx]

fernab, thanks for the excellent guidance.

[demografx]

This time around, I knocked myself out on Day Zero with forced sleep via Benadryl. (Plus I increased the dose of TRT.)

Yuk!

It “worked”, but then I had to recover from my zombie-hangover state!

And it somehow felt dangerous (e.g., plenty of nightmares) even though I followed the [maximum] dosing instructions on the box.

Hard to believe I’m still struggling after several D E C A D E S of this POIS nonsense!

But it’s Day 4, and I never dreamed of feeling this good in my pre-TRT days.

[demografx]

Does anyone have any thoughts or personal intake experience or info to share about testosterone AND niacin taken together?

Thanks!

[Samir]

I've always had nightmares when in pois.

I recently tried a supplement for men by gnc available from sams and it seems to help as much as fenugreek and fish oil.  I've also started drinking a blackberry and chia seed juice drink in the morning that also seems to have a strong impact of reducing pois effects.

I think there are enough natural remedies for me at least--but I believe I will have to be practically overloading on them to have no pois effects.

I forgot to add the relationship to testosterone as it seems ALL of these have a direct and marked affect on either increasing production or absorption.

[demografx]

Samir, if the above post is not testosterone-related, would you kindly consider moving it to another thread? Maybe a new one?

Or...if you think that it is T-related, please add wording to that effect.

Thank you.

[Samir]

Samir, if the above post is not testosterone-related, would you kindly consider moving it to another thread? Maybe a new one?

Or...if you think that it is T-related, please add wording to that effect.

Thank you.

Fixed it.

[demografx]

Thanks, Samir!

[demografx]

...it seems ALL of these [supplements]  have a direct and marked affect on either increasing production or absorption [of testosterone]

Samir, I’m not familiar with the role of T “absorption”. Can u elaborate a little please?

[Samir]

...it seems ALL of these [supplements]  have a direct and marked affect on either increasing production or absorption [of testosterone]

Samir, I’m not familiar with the role of T “absorption”. Can u elaborate a little please?

Not T absorption, per se, but the body's response to existing T in the body.  My body seems to be able to 'absorb' existing and newly produced T better.  Hope this helps..

[demografx]

Yes it does.

Very interesting.

Thank you, Samir!

[Nas]

Hello comrades,
I've been wondering, dose TRT work for all the people who tried it? I've even seen some posts on FB and TRT always seems to work.