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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #140 on: January 07, 2016, 06:09:36 AM »
I had my total testosterone checked about five hours post O, and it came back low at 320. I had the same test done when I was symptom free eleven days post O, and it was even lower at 260. What this all means, I am not sure yet.
I couldn't find the results for the symptom free test, then I realized I posted it a while back

Hi G-Man, thanks for posting your quote here. The reading you have posted seem to have different measurement scale to what we have here in the UK, so I am not able to directly compare with mine. Did you take both measurements early in the morning, because as the day goes by testosterone usually reduces.

Also, when does POIS peak for you, is it on the first day or second day. It could be the case that 5 hours was too close a time for seeing the full effect of reduction in testosterone. I took my reading on Day 2 which is like more than 36 hours post-ejaculation. I normally have full-POIS for a week or less.
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« Reply #141 on: January 07, 2016, 03:13:42 PM »
You are a firm believer, just like my sexual research advisor, Dr Petr Weiss from the Czech Republic. He told me testosterone was the key to my POIS. I thought he was crazy but now I believe him :)

Hi Demografx, good to know that there are some researchers who believe in that as well. In your experience in this forum or elsewhere, do you know of any POISer who has had high testosterone measured or atleast in the mid-range? I know a few here have reported low testosterone, so want to know if there are any exceptions.


I think there were some in the mid-range you mentioned but I don't recall seeing "high" T.

You can always search both forums for "high testosterone".



« Last Edit: January 07, 2016, 05:05:42 PM by demografx »
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TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

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« Reply #142 on: January 07, 2016, 09:36:04 PM »
I had my total testosterone checked about five hours post O, and it came back low at 320. I had the same test done when I was symptom free eleven days post O, and it was even lower at 260. What this all means, I am not sure yet.
I couldn't find the results for the symptom free test, then I realized I posted it a while back

Hi G-Man, thanks for posting your quote here. The reading you have posted seem to have different measurement scale to what we have here in the UK, so I am not able to directly compare with mine. Did you take both measurements early in the morning, because as the day goes by testosterone usually reduces.

Also, when does POIS peak for you, is it on the first day or second day. It could be the case that 5 hours was too close a time for seeing the full effect of reduction in testosterone. I took my reading on Day 2 which is like more than 36 hours post-ejaculation. I normally have full-POIS for a week or less.
The test 5 hours in was done at 8am. I'm not sure about the other one, but if I had to guess I would say 10-11am.

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« Reply #143 on: January 07, 2016, 10:41:36 PM »
Man you guys are lucky... I can't take any vitamins now.  Literally one small pill of vit D I feel like I've been injected with adrenaline and meth and serotonin or something...it is so weird.  I just don't get it.  So now I'm just sticking to diet.

And joelawrence that's interesting... Also the more testosterone the less immune response.
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« Reply #144 on: January 08, 2016, 02:30:56 AM »
Also, my POIS symptoms peak around 2-2.5 days

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« Reply #145 on: January 08, 2016, 12:00:35 PM »
And Prancer I think probably most grains can cause mouth ulcers in me.  Not so sure about rice chex but I do feel pois symptoms from eating them
My POIS managed with Diet (@ diet that 100% manages my pois)Believe my POIS stems from inflammation in the gut. O = neuro POIS from inflammation from the gut

supps: microdose zyrtec if needed for food sens. ibuprofen for infl. as needed. Melatonin as needed. Big Pinch Black cumin  seeds once daily

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« Reply #146 on: January 08, 2016, 12:49:05 PM »
Man you guys are lucky... I can't take any vitamins now.  Literally one small pill of vit D I feel like I've been injected with adrenaline and meth and serotonin or something...it is so weird.  I just don't get it.  So now I'm just sticking to diet.

And joelawrence that's interesting... Also the more testosterone the less immune response.

If I use to many vitd 3 in a day it messes with my sleep.  At 2000 ius, even if i use it in the morning i have trouble falling as sleep. I used 8000iu one time, in addition to not being able to fall asleep i definately had more energy i thought i found the cure pois or something. When i use vitd2 50000 iu weekly i dont get any of these sideffects.

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« Reply #147 on: January 13, 2016, 03:28:43 PM »

Hi Demografx, good to know that there are some researchers who believe in that as well. In your experience in this forum or elsewhere, do you know of any POISer who has had high testosterone measured or atleast in the mid-range? I know a few here have reported low testosterone, so want to know if there are any exceptions.


I think there were some in the mid-range you mentioned but I don't recall seeing "high" T.

You can always search both forums for "high testosterone".

I just got my total testosterone measured. I have 25.5 nmol/l, or 7.36 ng/ml, or 736 ng/dl which is in the normal range.
Used to have brain fog, flue-like symptoms, un-refreshing sleep, extreme exhaustion, muscle and joint pain, digestive problems, social anxiety, urge to urinate frequently.
Used niacin in the past. Now using nanna1's maintenance stack. Exhaustion and brain fog now main problem. 3-day POIS cycle

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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #148 on: January 17, 2016, 06:54:34 PM »
I wonder if high T via TRT could work for midrange POISers?

Just speculative thinking.
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« Reply #149 on: January 18, 2016, 01:23:07 PM »
I wonder if high T via TRT could work for midrange POISers?

Good queestion !
After reading lot of testimonies, it's hard to think there is only 1 form of Pois.
Impossible to link all the elements in only one.
Taurine = Anti-Pois

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« Reply #150 on: January 18, 2016, 02:39:29 PM »
You're right, b_jim...some day we might need a "classification of POISers", maybe "clusters", e.g., cognitive POISers, physical POISers, non-NE POISers, etc.
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TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #151 on: January 18, 2016, 02:42:41 PM »
I wonder if high T via TRT could work for [edit: SOME] midrange POISers?

Just speculative thinking.

b_jim, thanks for helping me make my post more accurate.


« Last Edit: January 28, 2016, 09:05:51 PM by demografx »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #152 on: January 18, 2016, 02:49:03 PM »
After reading lot of testimonies...

Hundreds!! :)
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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #153 on: January 18, 2016, 02:53:16 PM »
cross-posted from duplicate Testosterone thread:

Hi all, It's been a number of years since I've last posted on this forum, I've always lurked around and been an active reader.

I'm glad to report that I have had major success combating POIS and I can say to a large extent I am recovered from this malady.

For a number of years I've been self administrating testosterone in injectable form, having tried and tested a lot of the suggestions made on this forum and others, I've found nothing works better than administering testosterone.

Be warned if you were to try it without the aide of medical support and supervision it can be dangerous - [mod highlighting], I went through a massive change in personality and not for the better and generally unstable and irritable.

I had a massive pathological workup and a huge amount of money spent on blood tests and seeing various doctors, in the end I got nothing but sheer frustration and the feeling of hopelessness, the only thing that stood out in my tests was my low free testosterone reading. I was referred to an Endocrinologist and although it was agreed that my testosterone levels fell below the reference range 212 ng/dl (250-1100 ng/dl) RR, even with pressure, perseverance and persistence on my part for a trail of testosterone from the Endocrin, he was not having it and told me to go on my way with a good luck.

A very long story short I've been injecting 83 mg per week ie 1/3 of an ampoule, considering the ester weight and injection site loss the absorption would be ~ 50mg, the same as what the average human body produces.

My total cure to POIS is

Testosterone 83mg per week
Fexafenodine on the day of orgasm
Paroxitine daily (20mg - 40mg)
Tramadol  4 caps (50mg)
Niacin 1000mg an hour prior to sex/O

On that combination I feel NO effects of POIS and I am able to function normally the next day, this is just my account of what has worked for me, having read the forums I know I had a VERY severe case of pois where literally I was bed bound for weeks on end and never had a sense of well being even out of POIS.
 
I hope this serves as some food for thought and discussion and my experience can help someone out there with this curse of an illness, I don't know where my life would have been if I didn't take the brave step and tried to resource the best I could and experiment. I know that this curse of an illness would have taken it's toll on every aspect of my life. I'm doing well in the sense I have a heightened sense of mental clarity and I am able to function normally within society, something I was not able to before.
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10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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Re: Testosterone
« Reply #154 on: January 18, 2016, 03:14:49 PM »
Thank you very much for your detailed post, Green, and many thanks for also pointing out the dangers!


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TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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« Reply #155 on: January 20, 2016, 02:59:18 AM »
Thanks Green for sharing this with us, huge congrats!

I love reading posts like this because it's very inspiring to read about successful and most importantly *legitimate* stories of symptom relief. Unlike many of the "cures" we see sometimes, symptom relief like this is both grounded in science and corroborated by several of our most trusted members like demografx, yourself and many others here. Like you said, people shouldn't just go out and attempt this on their own. It must be done with correctly with a lot of thought, preparation and with medical support, and it doesn't guarantee a fix for everyone. One thing in general that we can say with certainty is that "POIS can be cured or alleviated." That's an important statement to be able to make, and even though it doesn't necessarily apply universally to all sufferers, it means there's indisputable hope for a recovery. We hear about hope a lot when it comes to POIS, but the word is not always taken literally. Obviously lots more is to be learned via the research, but it's very great hearing about success like this. Thanks again Green, happy you're feeling better! Keep us updated if needed.

So questions, you went through a "massive change in personality" after the cure? Did this happen to you too demo? How's your libido before & after the cure? And do you have to limit yourself when it comes to orgasms (what's your frequency of orgasms post cure), and how do you feel immediately post O (relaxed, etc?) Thanks, and good work!

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« Reply #156 on: January 20, 2016, 07:20:53 AM »
Demographx, have you ever done a sperm count test since TRT. That would be great to know if lowering the sperm count could be the culprit to lowering the inflammation.

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« Reply #157 on: January 20, 2016, 08:27:55 AM »
Demographx, have you ever done a sperm count test since TRT. That would be great to know if lowering the sperm count could be the culprit to lowering the inflammation.

Hi Starsky,

After my vasectomy, absolutely no have changed in my POIS.  This is been also the case for other POIS sufferers.  So, low or null sperm count have no effect on POIS.  If the hypersensitivity hypothesis is true, the allergen have to come from somewhere else "down the stream", like from seminal glands, the bulbourethral glands and/or the prostate. 
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« Reply #158 on: January 20, 2016, 01:12:19 PM »
Demographx, have you ever done a sperm count test since TRT. That would be great to know if lowering the sperm count could be the culprit to lowering the inflammation.

YES I DID AND MY SPERM COUNT WENT TO ZERO -- AS IN 0.00 !!

All caps because I want younger POISers to know the potential danger of TRT.

I don't KNOW 100% if it was the TRT that lowered my sperm count, but I'm very suspicious that it was. I have 2 grown offspring and have no further plans, but if you're just starting/contemplating a family then decide carefully.
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10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business

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« Reply #159 on: January 20, 2016, 09:39:25 PM »
...you went through a "massive change in personality" after the cure? Did this happen to you too demo?...

I'm extremely fortunate in that I experienced a significant overall mood lift.


« Last Edit: January 20, 2016, 10:36:53 PM by demografx »
10 years of significant POIS-reduction, treatment consisting of daily (365 days/year) testosterone patches.

TRT must be checked out carefully with your doctor due to fertility, cardiac and other risks.

40+ years of severe 4-days-POIS, married, raised a family, started/ran a business